Is There So Little Love for Tremaine Edmunds?

[BullBuchanan]

I saw him standing around other people making plays or getting dragged down the field. Classic Edmunds.

[Jauronimo]

3 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

LOL, the London "He Makes Tackles 6-8 Yards Downfield" Fletcher justification.  We ran him outta town, and he only played 7 more years and racked up over 900 tackles for the WTF's.  He also ended Fitz's stay in Buffalo with that vicious liver shot.  Santayana is laughing his ass off right now.

London Fletcher, Poz, Preston Brown, Edmunds....very different players, same criticisms.  

 

This board thinks all linebacker play should look like prime Ray Lewis flying down hill in a run first league.  Ray only ever made tackles behind the line of scrimmage.  

[BillsFan130]

7 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

 

"I saw a guy picking the wrong gaps all game" sounds more like a statement of fact than opinion to me. Anyway, didn't mean to pick at you specifically. This just seems to be a common theme around here. People making blanket statements without the ability to back them up and then they deflect once they are questioned about those statements.

It wasn’t a blanket statement.

 

It was my opinion on what I saw.

 

I don’t have the Xs and Os and I can very well be wrong.

 

But to “Me”, he just looked lost out there on Sunday night and seemingly seemed to be in the wrong spot a lot of the times.

[HoofHearted]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

It wasn’t a blanket statement.

 

It was my opinion on what I saw.

 

I don’t have the Xs and Os and I can very well be wrong.

 

But to “Me”, he just looked lost out there on Sunday night and seemingly seemed to be in the wrong spot a lot of the times.

 

I guess I just don't understand how you can say he "seemed to be in the wrong spot a lot of the times" when you don't know where he was suppose to be.

[BillsFan130]

12 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

 

I guess I just don't understand how you can say he "seemed to be in the wrong spot a lot of the times" when you don't know where he was suppose to be.

When he is blocked and he goes inside and the RB goes outside for an example..

 

My biggest issue was him not being able to shed off any blocks and make any impact plays

14 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

 

I guess I just don't understand how you can say he "seemed to be in the wrong spot a lot of the times" when you don't know where he was suppose to be.

What was your opinions on Edmunds game out of curiosity?

[Big Turk]

40 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

 

If you know football you can get a pretty clear picture of what a players responsibility is based on alignments and post-snap movements. This isn't a "you" problem. It's just amusing to me how much statements like "we constantly fit the wrong gaps" gets thrown around here by people who have zero understanding of scheme or, more specifically, how run fits work.

 

How much would the Bills D suffer if Edmunds isn't here next year?  Do you feel he is replaceable relatively easily or a major loss?

[HoofHearted]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

When he is blocked and he goes inside and the RB goes outside for an example..

 

My biggest issue was him not being able to shed off any blocks and make any impact plays

 

As an inside backer in a 4-3 box (which is what we were in most of the night) you are a spill player. Essentially you're job is to fit the open gap as tight as you can to force the ball to "spill" outside to our unblocked defenders.

[FilthyBeast]

I've been a big critic of Edmunds in the past, but he's been pretty good so far this year up until the other night when I thought he clearly had his worst game of the year and looked like the guy who was an easy target to criticize in the past.

 

Assuming it was just a bad game which is going to happen.

[Jauronimo]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

When he is blocked and he goes inside and the RB goes outside for an example..

 

My biggest issue was him not being able to shed off any blocks and make any impact plays

What was your opinions on Edmunds game out of curiosity?

Those types of plays where Edmunds plugs a gap in the middle and the RB stretches outside are frequent points of criticism.  Everyone says he hits the wrong the hole.  Pretty sure thats what run defense looks like.  Plugging gaps and forcing RBs to run east and west.  

[SoMAn]

I've been a vocal critic of Edmunds before this season.  He earned the criticism with poor tackling, getting blocked out of plays, taking bad angles, etc.

 

But, it's obvious he's stepped up his game this year in a big way.  I think he heard the whispers and probably got together with his coaches to help see what he could do to improve.

 

He's done a great job this season.  Give credit where's it's due.

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

 

As an inside backer in a 4-3 box (which is what we were in most of the night) you are a spill player. Essentially you're job is to fit the open gap as tight as you can to force the ball to "spill" outside to our unblocked defenders.

Ok and he’s not allowed to shed a block and make a tackle?

 

Again, what is your opinion on how he played out of curiosity?

[Dopey]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

How much would the Bills D suffer if Edmunds isn't here next year?  Do you feel he is replaceable relatively easily or a major loss?

I know you didn't ask me, but it would be a major loss.

[Jauronimo]

2 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

I've been a big critic of Edmunds in the past, but he's been pretty good so far this year up until the other night when I thought he clearly had his worst game of the year and looked like the guy who was an easy target to criticize in the past.

 

Assuming it was just a bad game which is going to happen.

It wasnt a bad game.  We were up by 3 scores in the second half.  LaFleur stopped trying to win and was content to cover the spread.  We gladly traded them worthless rushing yards in exchange for burning clock.  We were not going to let Rodgers beat us.

[HoofHearted]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

How much would the Bills D suffer if Edmunds isn't here next year?  Do you feel he is replaceable relatively easily or a major loss?

It would certainly be a loss. He's without a doubt a top 10 player at his position in the league. Our DL looked like DL's of past years against the Packers - defensive ends not getting hands on tackles and defensive tackles not getting hands on guards and centers. There were free releases from OL up to the second level all night long when they were running GH Counter and Outside Zone. The defensive line play wasn't good and Taron got fooled a couple of times with eye candy on misdirection out of the backfield.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, HoofHearted said:

It would certainly be a loss. He's without a doubt a top 10 player at his position in the league. Our DL looked like DL's of past years against the Packers - defensive ends not getting hands on tackles and defensive tackles not getting hands on guards and centers. There were free releases from OL up to the second level all night long when they were running GH Counter and Outside Zone. The defensive line play wasn't good and Taron got fooled a couple of times with eye candy on misdirection out of the backfield.

I feel like everything you just said reminds us why you can’t be paying two LB’s big time money when DL and Secondary are so much more important.  
 

Edmunds looks great when the DL is dominant.  
 

Edmunds has his worst game of the year when the DL struggles in run defense. 
 

Ok… Well, that is precisely why letting him walk after the season isn’t a massive blow to the defense.  

[HoofHearted]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Ok and he’s not allowed to shed a block and make a tackle?

 

Again, what is your opinion on how he played out of curiosity?

Packers game planned around him and the interior defensive line. When they ran counter they free released their offensive tackle directly to Edmunds. Without our defensive ends getting hands on those tackles and not allowing them to immediately work second level Edmunds had no shot. Which forced him to fit underneath that block and Taron to wrap over top. Milano and Taron both looked slow all night in their fits vs gap scheme concepts. The outside zone game they were free releasing their center up to Edmunds and they just reached our big interior DL with ease. Forced our corners to make tackles on those big backs.

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

It would certainly be a loss. He's without a doubt a top 10 player at his position in the league. Our DL looked like DL's of past years against the Packers - defensive ends not getting hands on tackles and defensive tackles not getting hands on guards and centers. There were free releases from OL up to the second level all night long when they were running GH Counter and Outside Zone. The defensive line play wasn't good and Taron got fooled a couple of times with eye candy on misdirection out of the backfield.

 

Do you think some of that was because the Bills were expecting pass most of the 2nd half?

[HoofHearted]

Just now, SCBills said:

I feel like everything you just said reminds us why you can’t be paying two LB’s big time money when DL and Secondary are so much more important.  
 

Edmunds looks great when the DL is dominant.  
 

Edmunds has his worst game of the year when the DL struggles in run defense. 
 

Ok… Well, that is precisely why letting him walk after the season isn’t a massive blow to the defense.  

 

Every LB looks great vs the run with a dominant DL. That's why teams invest so much money in them. Finding a LB who can fit the run as well as Edmunds isn't the issue, it's finding a guy who can do what Edmunds does in coverage that will be hard to replace. I'm with you though, I dunno how they'll be able to afford to keep him.

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Do you think some of that was because the Bills were expecting pass most of the 2nd half?

 

Outside of Von - none of our guys are good enough right now to go into a play with a pass rush mindset regardless of what their read tells them to do. It shouldn't be allowed. Read your key and react accordingly.

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

Packers game planned around him and the interior defensive line. When they ran counter they free released their offensive tackle directly to Edmunds. Without our defensive ends getting hands on those tackles and not allowing them to immediately work second level Edmunds had no shot. Which forced him to fit underneath that block and Taron to wrap over top. Milano and Taron both looked slow all night in their fits vs gap scheme concepts. The outside zone game they were free releasing their center up to Edmunds and they just reached our big interior DL with ease. Forced our corners to make tackles on those big backs.

I’ve asked twice , I’ll ask again haha.

 

Quantifiably, how do you think Edmunds played on Sunday night? 
 

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

 

Every LB looks great vs the run with a dominant DL. That's why teams invest so much money in them. Finding a LB who can fit the run as well as Edmunds isn't the issue, it's finding a guy who can do what Edmunds does in coverage that will be hard to replace. I'm with you though, I dunno how they'll be able to afford to keep him.

 

And that is why I have repeatedly and emphatically said that Edmunds is going to get a massive contract that is far higher than most expect and will shock a lot of people.  Because there is at least one team out there that thinks they are a Tremaine Edmunds away from becoming a top defense against the pass that is in the bottom third of the league right now.

Edited November 1, 2022 by Big Turk