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Yes, if a move is not going to make you better, don't make a move just to make one.

 

If you get OBJ, where he is going to take targets from? Gabe?  With the ability he has and the chemistry he has with Josh, I don't know how many targets I want taken away from him.  If it is just for 'depth', I'm not sure OBJ wants to come here to split time and targets.

Can you get an OL that will be MUCH better than what you have? If so go for it, but honestly, the 'addition' to this team to keep up with everyone else is going to be Tre White.

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  On 10/28/2022 at 5:59 PM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Nonsense.

 

Anyone who thinks the situations of those teams are very similar doesn't get it.

 

The Chiefs have $18M available under the cap right now, most of which will roll over onto the $11.98M they have available in 2023. And those figures include Toney. The Eagles have $10.1M available this year, which will roll over onto the $11.987M they have available for 2023. That's after picking up Quinn, not before.

 

Whereas the Bills have $1.6M under the cap right now, which will probably mostly roll over onto next year's figure of -$7.555, leaving us a total, post-maximum possible rollover, of about -$4.95M.

 

That's a big difference, as is the fact that the Bills don't have any areas of weakness as obvious as those teams did. It was a good move for both of those teams, but a lot of that is because they had bigger needs and more resources.

 

Quinn is older and while he appears solid he's not having an especially effective year, and Toney has been very injury-prone. Both of those moves could turn out to be good for those teams. Or not.

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Where are you getting this number?  Spotrac has them at $2.9M under.

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  On 10/28/2022 at 6:18 PM, Patrick Duffy said:

 

Really? You don't see KC close with the bills? I don't see how one can't

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No I don't. Bills should have beaten them worse and they will have Tre if next time.

If they stay healthy there's no one that can beat this team, this season, but themselves.

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Maybe OL help or depth at TE and RB. Maybe a veteran S on a 1 year deal? I'd say the OL is still our biggest weakness. I don't see OBJ coming here unless there is an injury and he is the replacement. Just don't give up any serious draft capital at this point.

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  On 10/28/2022 at 8:33 PM, LyndonvilleBill said:

Ereck Flowers (FA), Daryl Williams (FA), Risner (Denver), As you've said AJ Cann (Texans). I am sure there may be others. Maybe even a couple on PS's that may be better depth options? 

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I am genuinely perplexed as to why Daryl Williams is not in the league. O-line play in the league is horrid and D.Williams was excellent in 2020 and when he kicked inside to guard in 2021 he was at least a starting caliber player or better. Is his heart just not in the game or did he suffer an unknown injury or was his salary demands just way too much?

 

If I were McBeane (and thankfully I am not) I would see if Kromer likes either Flowers or Williams as depth? Other than that I don't see any other O-line options out on the free agency market. Via trade it is even harder but I have to think if something fits they will try to add a piece even if it is just suring up depth

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  On 10/29/2022 at 3:25 AM, billsfan89 said:

 

I am genuinely perplexed as to why Daryl Williams is not in the league. O-line play in the league is horrid and D.Williams was excellent in 2020 and when he kicked inside to guard in 2021 he was at least a starting caliber player or better. Is his heart just not in the game or did he suffer an unknown injury or was his salary demands just way too much?

 

If I were McBeane (and thankfully I am not) I would see if Kromer likes either Flowers or Williams as depth? Other than that I don't see any other O-line options out on the free agency market. Via trade it is even harder but I have to think if something fits they will try to add a piece even if it is just suring up depth

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I see he has made $22 million in his career … so maybe he has the bulk of this invested and is content to enjoy life ? Perhaps he hasn’t kept in shape since he left the Bills…
 

He seemed a quiet guy the one time I saw him interviewed… maybe he has had enough and wants to spend time with his family,,,

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  On 10/28/2022 at 5:51 AM, NewEra said:

This is such nonsense.  Motor isn’t a superstar but he’s not the reason our RB run game is stagnant.  

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Let me guess,  its the line fault that he misses holes.  Sorry but Bills have been trying to correct the RB position for past 3 seasons.  I guarantee Singletary will not be on this team next season

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  On 10/28/2022 at 4:24 PM, The Firebaugh Kid said:

ODB. Oops, sorry, I meant OBJ. 

He's coming. 

Trust Von. 

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Fire, I’ve commented in other threads, I agree the Bills are actively working on it, and Im sure Von is rallying key players on the team to reach out to OBJ, namely a guy who wears the #17 number.  It makes sense.  It’s not a draft trade as he’s a FA, he wouldn’t play until Thanksgiving or December games.  December is really to get him comfortable with Allen and vise versa.  He won’t cost much as he’s lobbying the rest of the NFL for a higher end contract next year or two.

 

He helped the Rams a great deal last year in their run for the SB. I don’t want to extend draft trade offers as we need these picks for depth next year.  We can always benefit from another 1-2  OL (Interior), and Safety.  We also need cheap labor as Allen, and others extensions will start ramping up.  We have the cap blowing up steadily for the next several years, but it’s how Beane keeps all the balls in the air and times these extensions.  I really hope we don’t waste pics on other players.  If we want a different depth RB (I’m not saying we need a chat from Motor as he’s doing fine), and they are still reticent to place Cook on the field much as they don’t trust him yet, we have Duke on the PS.

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  On 10/27/2022 at 8:50 PM, tomur67 said:

Are there any glaring weaknesses that need to be addressed for the Bills to make the run for the Super Bowl? 

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I think the real question is with the recent additions by the Eagles and Chiefs, have they caught up to the Bills taken level? Bc let's be real, that why they both added players, to try to close the gap with us. 

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  On 10/30/2022 at 12:50 AM, Niagara Dude said:

Let me guess,  its the line fault that he misses holes.  Sorry but Bills have been trying to correct the RB position for past 3 seasons.  I guarantee Singletary will not be on this team next season

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I agree, he won’t be on this team next year.
 

He’s not special but your exaggerating his ineffectiveness.  

 

He’s so bad, that his career ypc is 4.7- always running behind a sub par run blocking line.  

Christian Mccaffery 4.6

kareem hunt 4.6

saquon barkley 4.6

alvin Kamara 4.6

Austin ekeler 4.6

Josh Jacobs 4.4

Derrick Henry is 4.8 a whole .1 better

 

keep making up nonsense 

 

 

 

 

 

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  On 10/29/2022 at 3:44 AM, Aussie Joe said:


I see he has made $22 million in his career … so maybe he has the bulk of this invested and is content to enjoy life ? Perhaps he hasn’t kept in shape since he left the Bills…
 

He seemed a quiet guy the one time I saw him interviewed… maybe he has had enough and wants to spend time with his family,,,

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If that were the case then wouldn't he just file retirement papers? I wouldn't hold it against him if he just called it a career, he had a really good career all things considered. He has played in 9 playoff games including a Super Bowl with the Panthers (Williams played in 4 playoff games with the Panthers and 5 with the Bills). As you said he made 22 million in his career and was a second team All-Pro in 2017 so there certainly was some nice individual achievements too. 

 

But if he just wants to ride off into the sunset why then not just formally retire? That's what puzzles me about it. If he is interested in playing why isn't he signed to a team he can probably start for at least 12-16 NFL teams and would be the best or among the best backups on any O-line in the league? 

 

My personal theory is that he would be interested in playing but only for the right price and while teams may want to sign him maybe no one wants to match his price? 

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  On 10/30/2022 at 3:43 AM, billsfan89 said:

 

If that were the case then wouldn't he just file retirement papers? I wouldn't hold it against him if he just called it a career, he had a really good career all things considered. He has played in 9 playoff games including a Super Bowl with the Panthers (Williams played in 4 playoff games with the Panthers and 5 with the Bills). As you said he made 22 million in his career and was a second team All-Pro in 2017 so there certainly was some nice individual achievements too. 

 

But if he just wants to ride off into the sunset why then not just formally retire? That's what puzzles me about it. If he is interested in playing why isn't he signed to a team he can probably start for at least 12-16 NFL teams and would be the best or among the best backups on any O-line in the league? 

 

My personal theory is that he would be interested in playing but only for the right price and while teams may want to sign him maybe no one wants to match his price? 

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I note there are still recent articles about him like this one being a potential FA fit somewhere so perhaps you are right… he is still available , and he is just waiting for a team to come up with his required dollars…if this is the case … I doubt it will be Beane given our lack of cash 

 

 He has recently turned  30 so he still might be able to come back next year even not playing at all in 2022.. 


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10053309-5-nfl-free-agents-who-could-help-fuel-2022-playoff-runs

 

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We all want a game changer, when in reality we can’t predict injuries. I like OL & DL depth only because these are such high injury positions due to hitting on every down. 

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  On 10/30/2022 at 2:53 AM, NewEra said:

I agree, he won’t be on this team next year.
 

He’s not special but your exaggerating his ineffectiveness.  

 

He’s so bad, that his career ypc is 4.7- always running behind a sub par run blocking line.  

Christian Mccaffery 4.6

kareem hunt 4.6

saquon barkley 4.6

alvin Kamara 4.6

Austin ekeler 4.6

Josh Jacobs 4.4

Derrick Henry is 4.8 a whole .1 better

 

keep making up nonsense 

 

 

 

 

 

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You need to watch the games and not garbage stats,  did you watch both the KC playoff game last season and KC game this season when the team needed a 3td and short and Singletary missed the hole

 

The bills are asking teams about RB'S (CM & KAMARA/HUNT/GIBSON) because they know its an area of weakness,  just glad there not going off your stats 

 

 

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  On 10/30/2022 at 5:05 PM, Niagara Dude said:

You need to watch the games and not garbage stats,  did you watch both the KC playoff game last season and KC game this season when the team needed a 3td and short and Singletary missed the hole

 

The bills are asking teams about RB'S (CM & KAMARA/HUNT/GIBSON) because they know its an area of weakness,  just glad there not going off your stats 

 

 

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I watch games.  Thanks for the advice though. 

 

Motor isn’t keeping us from winning a super bowl.  He’s better than you think.  Sure, there are better RBs out there…. But we can win the super bowl with him.  We can also keep future draft picks to help build the foundation for the future.

 

If they don’t pull the trigger on a Rb trade then they obviously feel they can win the SB with Motor.  If they didn’t, they would make a trade.  There is no doubt.  Winning the SB is the only goal this year.  
 

like I’ve said before, I wouldn’t hate spending a low rd pick on a trade for a back- but not because motor isn’t good enough.  Rather insurance in case he is hurt.  
 

Do we have to double down and trade future assets to win this year?  No, but it will better our chances.  Can we win with the current team?  Yes, but trading for a Rb could better our chances.  The price to pay will determine whether or not we land someone.  
 


 


 

 

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  On 10/30/2022 at 5:23 PM, NewEra said:

I watch games.  Thanks for the advice though. 

 

Motor isn’t keeping us from winning a super bowl.  He’s better than you think.  Sure, there are better RBs out there…. But we can win the super bowl with him.  We can also keep future draft picks to help build the foundation for the future.

 

If they don’t pull the trigger on a Rb trade then they obviously feel they can win the SB with Motor.  If they didn’t, they would make a trade.  There is no doubt.  Winning the SB is the only goal this year.  
 

like I’ve said before, I wouldn’t hate spending a low rd pick on a trade for a back- but not because motor isn’t good enough.  Rather insurance in case he is hurt.  
 

Do we have to double down and trade future assets to win this year?  No, but it will better our chances.  Can we win with the current team?  Yes, but trading for a Rb could better our chances.  The price to pay will determine whether or not we land someone.  
 


 


 

 

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Without a true threat teams are going to continue to play safeties back and LB'S away from the line because they know the Bills do not have a RB that can makes explosive plays.  You do realize the Bills drafted Moss in the 3rd round because they had no confidence Singletary.  As we all know , the weather gets bad in Dec/ January and you need a RB especially when those winds start going crazy.  It also give our cordinator a chance to avoid calling Allen runs to keep defences honest.

 

I think getting a Gibson or Hunt would be a game changer and would save Josh from taking all these hits. Even Jacobs from the Raiders would be a good choice.  Singletary is to slow (4.65) forty and has no burst to the line,  he is more suited to be a back up.  

 

As for giving up picks,  there is no guarantee on 3rd & 4th rounders the Bills choose.  Get a starting level RB who can provide explosive runs/plays and that really improves out offence. Gibson would be my choice because he is signed into next season for less then 2 million, he runs a 4.39 forty and is a excellent pass catcher and explosive play runner, I would settle for either Hunt or Jacobs. I believe you trade out Moss and pick,  

 

Moss is pretty much useless for this team right now.

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