Einstein Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 Since Hyde has been out, our defense has given up 16 points per game. More impressively, they gave up only 20 to the high powered Chiefs. 🥵 I think you can make the argument that the Bills would have beaten the Dolphins with Hyde playing - that 3rd and 22(?) pass to Hill likely doesn’t happen. But then again, it may not have happened with Poyer playing. They were both out that game. 👉 I am certainly not saying we are better without Hyde… but I am asking, how much worse are we really? And does extending (or going into a contract year at $11M cap hit) worth not having a slight drop in quality? Could we trade him for a draft asset? 💰 We have a potential “out” with his contact this off-season. It would save us about $4 million in cap space ($11M cap savings minus $7M in dead cap). Hamlin & Johnson combined account for 1/5th of Hyde’s cap hit next year. Poyer is 115 days younger than Hyde. If we had to pick one safety to keep, I think I may lean toward Poyer over Hyde. Go Bills. 2 4 6 1 4 8
KingBoots8 Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) I don’t think anyone is trading for a guy who can’t be used for a year 🤷♂️ Edited October 26, 2022 by KingBoots8 1
The Wiz Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 Hyde is already under contract for next season. Poyer isn't. 1 1
Augie Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: Since Hyde has been out, our defense has given up 16 points per game. More impressively, they gave up only 20 to the high powered Chiefs. 🥵 I think you can make the argument that the Bills would have beaten the Dolphins with Hyde playing - that 3rd and 22(?) pass to Hill likely doesn’t happen. But then again, it may not have happened with Poyer playing. They were both out that game. 👉 I am certainly not saying we are better without Hyde… but I am asking, how much worse are we really? And does extending (or going into a contract year at $11M cap hit) worth not having a slight drop in quality? Could we trade him for a draft asset? 💰 We have a potential “out” with his contact this off-season. It would save us about $4 million in cap space ($11M cap savings minus $7M in dead cap). Hamlin & Johnson combined account for 1/5th of Hyde’s cap hit next year. Poyer is 115 days younger than Hyde. If we had to pick one safety to keep, I think I may lean toward Poyer over Hyde. Go Bills. Wait, you want to trade a guy missing the rest of the season due to neck surgery? That should go well. 4 2
Richard Noggin Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) One could ask how valuable any of the guys in the secondary are on an individual basis, given what we've seen this season. (I think Hyde is valuable, ftr) Edited October 26, 2022 by Richard Noggin 3
Warcodered Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 I don't know I like having him around. 6 9 3
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 So, so far this month I have learned we don't need Hyde or White. Learning alot this October.😂 1 10
Einstein Posted October 26, 2022 Author Posted October 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Augie said: Wait, you want to trade a guy missing the rest of the season due to neck surgery? That should go well. I asked if anyone thought it was possible, yes. I have no doubt he will play next year for someone. 1
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 more valuable then this thread, for sure! 3 2 6 1
bigK14094 Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 Hyde has McD's confidence. That is why he gets the big bucks. Hamlin has been great ,and next year will be Hyde's last. But, Hamlin likely will be gone the year after that.
Big Turk Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 You don't miss them...until you do. Eventually there will be a game where Hyde would have made a play Hamlin doesn't. Just gotta hope it's not in the playoffs. 2 1
billsfan1959 Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: more valuable then this thread, for sure! I’m surprised he didn’t suggest trading Hyde for Bailey Zappe… 1 7
Augie Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: I asked if anyone thought it was possible, yes. I have no doubt he will play next year for someone. You would get pennies on the dollar for what he’s worth. If I’m selling, I won’t want a bag of used balls for an All Pro level player. If I’m a buyer, I’m paying VERY little for a a guy coming off of neck surgery. Should be fine, but kind of a big deal. I sit put, at least until we know more. 2
The Wiz Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: So, so far this month I have learned we don't need Hyde or White. Learning alot this October.😂 You're wrong. We still need white, he just needs to play safety is all. 😆 2
HappyDays Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 I figured out why your name is Einstein, it's because your threads are black holes. 4 1 8 1 1
Einstein Posted October 26, 2022 Author Posted October 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Augie said: You would get pennies on the dollar for what he’s worth. If I’m selling, I won’t want a bag of used balls for an All Pro level player. If I’m a buyer, I’m paying VERY little for a a guy coming off of neck surgery. Should be fine, but kind of a big deal. I sit put, at least until we know more. I respect where you’re coming from. 1 1
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, Einstein said: Since Hyde has been out, our defense has given up 16 points per game. More impressively, they gave up only 20 to the high powered Chiefs. 🥵 I think you can make the argument that the Bills would have beaten the Dolphins with Hyde playing - that 3rd and 22(?) pass to Hill likely doesn’t happen. But then again, it may not have happened with Poyer playing. They were both out that game. 👉 I am certainly not saying we are better without Hyde… but I am asking, how much worse are we really? And does extending (or going into a contract year at $11M cap hit) worth not having a slight drop in quality? Could we trade him for a draft asset? 💰 We have a potential “out” with his contact this off-season. It would save us about $4 million in cap space ($11M cap savings minus $7M in dead cap). Hamlin & Johnson combined account for 1/5th of Hyde’s cap hit next year. Poyer is 115 days younger than Hyde. If we had to pick one safety to keep, I think I may lean toward Poyer over Hyde. Go Bills. This is a good point. It is becoming clearer to me that the scheme we run here may have contributed to the success of our safeties (and corners.). hyde and Poyer are great, and they are always around the ball And are very opportunistic. But you have to remember that both these guys were late draft picks and mostly backups until they got here. 1 2
Royale with Cheese Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 Tre White hasn’t played either…does that mean he’s not valuable?
Milanos Milano Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I figured out why your name is Einstein, it's because your threads are black holes. Two things are infinite. The Universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the universe. 1 1
Einstein Posted October 26, 2022 Author Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Tre White hasn’t played either…does that mean he’s not valuable? We have to wait and see if the defense improves with his arrival. If it doesn’t, well… 3 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: This is a good point. It is becoming clearer to me that the scheme we run here may have contributed to the success of our safeties (and corners.). hyde and Poyer are great, and they are always around the ball And are very opportunistic. But you have to remember that both these guys were late draft picks and mostly backups until they got here. Thank you. . Edited October 26, 2022 by Einstein 1
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