What We Learned Week 7

[Ya Digg?]

32 minutes ago, nosejob said:

I think Mike White would be better than Wilson....over the longer term.

Sorry it’s hard to tell through reading…is there sarcasm in there somewhere? If so I don’t get it. If not…..uhhhhhh what??

[GolfandBills]

I learned there’s a lot of bad football teams this season. 

[Scott7975]

I dont get it. How is the NFL so bad this season?  No its not because of being spoiled by Allen.  Allen was good last year and even the year before.  The NFL is just legit bad this year other than a few teams.

Edited October 25, 2022 by Scott7975

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

I dont get it. How is the NFL so bad this season?  No its not because of being spoiled by Allen.  Allen was good last year and even the year before.  The NFL is just legit bad this year other than a few teams.

Well, you have at least in 5 cases old(ish) QBs falling off of the proverbial cliff 

[Scott7975]

Just now, FrenchConnection said:

Well, you have at least in 5 cases old(ish) QBs falling off of the proverbial cliff 

 

Yeah I guess thats part of it.    Brady, Wilson, Rodgers, Ryan, no Big Ben, no Brees.  I dont think Rodgers is completely washed yet.  I think his team just sucks but he is still part of that. Brees, Ben needed to retire because they were already shot.  Ryan, I expected would have looked better on the Colts but it appears he is pretty washed too.  Stafford is probably washed.

 

Thats still not all of it though.  Browns were doing pretty good with Mayfield the last couple seasons. I never thought Mac Jones was going to be elite but he still played well in the system last season and has fallen off a cliff.  Ravens, even though I dont think Lamar is a good passer are not the same.  Ravens defense is not what we are use to and more teams are stopping that offense now too.  Cinci hasnt been doing well.  Chargers havent been doing well.  Jets and Giants are bad but they have good records winning ugly games.  There is more but you get the idea I think.

[LABILLBACKER]

There's 4 viable SB teams right now. Buffalo, KC, Philly & Cinncy. After these the next tier drops bigtime. Tua is awful and is fools gold. The Jets & Giants will come back to earth.  Rodgers & TB12 are done. And I can't see Dallas beating the Eagles. Baltimore & SF are mysterious and TBD??

[Scott7975]

10 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

Great write up and a couple of additional thoughts:

 

- Chiefs are not going anywhere and might not lose more than 1 game the rest of the way which is why the Bills need to keep pace and their foot on the pedal every week. They are also looking like the luckiest team in the league so far with no real important injuries to their roster.

 

- Geno Smith and the Seahawks are quite the story and it goes to show that some guys are just late bloomers. They have a real shot to win that division and be a serious playoff team and looks like they fixed their problem from last year and got tons of draft picks in return for it.

 

- I posted about the Raiders having the look of one of those grimy teams that are going to get hot down the stretch and still think that's the case looking at their schedule and they have way too much talent on that roster to be held back. Don't be shocked if they crawl all the way back into the division race, let alone wildcard picture.

 

- Chargers and Herbert continue to be one of the most overrated teams/QB's in NFL history. Wonder how they feel about now passing on Daboll last year for Brandan Staley?

 

- For all the Bills and Chiefs hype, Bengals are coming on strong and will definitely be a factor as the defending AFC champions. Won't be surprised if they are the team the Bills could face in the AFCCG.

 

- Dolphins weren't necessarily pretty in Tua's first game back, but they are set up perfectly to be 8-3 heading into a tough 3 game road stretch with 49ers/chargers/Bills.

 

Wait... You say the Chiefs wont lose more than 1 game the rest of the way but somehow the Raiders are going race for the division from 3.5 games back?  Both can't happen.

Edited October 25, 2022 by Scott7975

[Scott7975]

 

[TheWeatherMan]

13 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

I learned that there are only 3 good teams in NFL. Bills, Chiefs, and Eagles. 

There are only two front runners at this point.  
 

Eagles are undefeated but have beaten no one note worthy.  6-0 with a +52 point margin isn’t exactly dominating your opponents especially when you’re  mostly bottom feeders.  Toughest teams they play this year are the Cowboys and Giants, both of which should make the playoffs as wild cards.
 

 

[CSBill]

That opening paragraph just wore me out. At my age, I was asleep by about the 5th sentence. .... What's the topic of this thread?

[machine gun kelly]

14 hours ago, corta765 said:

NFL: We are nearing the halfway point of the season and this season has felt weird if not down in terms of total team play. Currently the Jets are 5-2, the Seahawks are 4-3 and lead the NFC West, the Bucs and Falcons are tied at an impressive 3-4 record for the NFC South lead, Russell Wilson has been the Hindenburg in Bronco Country (Lets Ride!), and the Lions are tied for last in the NFL (Ok that is normal). But besides bad play on Thursday Night and some early weird results something else is actually true: offenses are producing in a much lower level then we have seen in over a decade. Per Joe Marino @thejoemarino on twitter 14 NFL teams are averaging 1 TD or less passing TDs per game. The NFL has adjusted to being a league that favors passing attacks above everything as we have seen with rule change and how the game is played. So why are things down? For starters defenses for years were getting torched as they played coverages that allowed for deep threats to blow by them. The last two years most teams have moved away from 3-4 defenses back towards 4-3 defenses with two safeties high so you can't get beat deep and can pressure the passer faster. That in turn has forced offenses to play a more patient attack that attacks in moderate chunks which favors mistakes to happen. Some of the best passers last year and years prior like Brady, Stafford, Rodgers, Wilson, & Carr all are producing at much lower levels then before as age really seems to be impacting Brady and Rodgers finally. Conversely young QBs like Kyler Murray, Trevor Lawrence, and Justin Fields have all been limited this year for various reasons and not taken the mantle to be in that elite group. Finally football like any sport is circular in nature with some teams rising and others falling. Forever people were use to the Patriots, Steelers, Saints, Packers, and Colts having dynamic passing attacks and now all of them are struggling to various degrees. Buffalo, KC, & Philly obviously are great, but there is space for a few other teams to join these offenses as part of top echelon and this may just be a year of transition for that. One final point is that the last few years have seen the retirement of QBs like Big Ben, Rivers, and Brees with Brady and Rodgers seemingly days away from joining them. The last decade and half is the finest QB play the league ever has seen and that group was the collective driver of that. I am sure Mahomes and Allen will have some other QBs reach their level or close, but like teams in transition from good to bad the QB position is also for some new faces.

 

AFC

BAL- Watching the Ravens this year you have to ask are they just finding themselves as a team or are the fourth quarter issues real? They won yesterday but they made it way harder on themselves with turnovers late. I still think they take the division but they need to really smooth out their rough areas.

BUF- The only game left on the schedule they might not be favored in is at CIN week 17 as they Bengals look better finally. The path to the one seed is wide gold brick road at this point, now or never.

CIN- The offense is rolling finally as Chase is on fire right now and the defense is doing its job. They are at CLE on Monday night but then have Carolina and Pittsburgh next, stack some wins and create space boys.

CLE- The NFL screwed them a timeout by running 2 seconds off the clock to get to the 2 minute warning after the missed FG at Baltimore. The offense again was productive and the defense while better still had its issues. They are not a bad team, but the rope for mistakes is pretty short if they want to survive and be in the playoff race when Watson returns.

DEN- No way Hackett makes it to year 2. Even with Wilson out (which wasn't much of a loss) the offense looks managed and misguided. I get they brought Hackett in to try and lure Rodgers, but its has been to the detriment of the team and a defense that is top 5 in the league.

HOU- The Texans are expected to move Bradin Cooks at the deadline as the productive WR has value. It makes sense, but it will take away from the future offensive corp and they will need to find some new WRs in FA23 and the draft to help their new QB.

IND- With an opportunity to take the division back the offense faltered as Jonathan Taylor had just 58 yards rushing and Matt Ryan threw 2 INTs and only 243 yds on 44 attempts. IND is supposed to have Ryan in 2023 as the starting QB, but it is very hard to see how as he is dragging the rest of the roster down.

JAX- Tough tough loss at home as the Jags have lost three in a row all by a TD in each. Travis Etienne averaged 8.1 a carry Sunday and can help take some pressure of Trevor who while playing better still has taken some hits this season.

KC-  The 49ers thought they had Mahomes and crew contained after the 1st half. Then KC figured out they could rip the 49ers over the top and that was that. Also JuJu is heating up with a 7 catch 124 yd 1 TD day a week after a good showing against the Bills.

LAC- Cursed or underperforming or bad coaching or all of it, the Chargers got stomped at home against Seattle. Just is Herbert a great talent and good QB, but people need to slow down on putting him in the Allen/Mahomes category.

MIA- Tua looked rusty, the coaching staff made some really bad calls, and the Dolphins lucked to a win against PIT. Tua will have some better days again this season and they are a playoff team, but they have some real holes on offensive line and up front on D that will hold them back. Also teams are finding their adjustments for the Phins passing attack.

NE- The Chicago game should be a win and if they want to maintain playoff pace in the AFC the Pats cannot afford a let down. Mac Jones better be ready because a bad night will open the floodgates for Zappe.

NYJ- 5-2 is a huge improvement for the airplane people, but Bryce Hall is a killer just as he got going. That injury puts even more pressure on Zach Wilson who has just 1 TD pass in four games and has not been asked to do much until now.

PIT- Pickett wasn't awful against MIA but his final INT was a rookie mistake that ruined a good effort by the defense. He had 20 yards in front of him to run and get a new set of downs. Going for the TD every time bites every young passer, we shall see if he can mature and shake that a bit.

Raiders-  The Raiders are 2-4 now with the offense finally on pace scoring 30ppg in the last three. With the Saints, Jags, Colts, and Broncos up next they might be able to crawl back to life if the offense maintains this pace.

TEN- The Titans are the kings of the AFC South right now despite a -13 pt differential. But take out the Buffalo disaster and they actually are + 21 for the season. They have Houston this week and then KC on SNF the first Sunday of November. You have to think they want to make a statement then that they belong in the top teams discussion

 

NFC

ATL- The plus side is with Tampa losing they are tied for the division crown right now, the bad is they got exposed for lack of talent on a defense bottom 5 in points allowed and potentially out three starters Sunday against Carolina. Ex Bill Dean Marlowe might be getting the start at safety Sunday.

ARZ- They won thanks to Andy Dalton's pick 6, but allowed over 400 yards on defense and the offense doesn't look right. I really wonder if Kingsburry makes it past this year if they miss the playoffs as soo much is invested in Kyler and he has not been very good.

CAR- Carolina walked away with a boat load of draft capital for a RB who will break down in a year or two again. Early pain now will result in pouring a strong foundation in the 23 Draft and finally grabbing a franchise QB after years of missing at that.

CHI- The Patriots a nightmare for young QBs and BB always has a strong gameplan for them. Maybe America will luck out and the Bears actually score two touchdowns or more this week, poor Justin Fields.

DAL- Dak had some rust but they figured it out and the Cowboys sit comfortably at 5-2 for the playoffs. The Cowboys ran for 139 yards and 2 TDs which should help to let Dak find his way back in the next few weeks, although Pollard needs to be the lead back as Zeke is averaging 3.8 ypc vs Pollards 6.9.

DET- This week had to have been maddening for Lions faithful as the defense held Dallas to 24 points and it was 10-6 heading into the fourth. But four turnovers on offense will kill most teams and the offense failed to crack 300 yards for the day.

GB- I mean what is left to be said Rodgers looks broke, the offense looks broke, and they can't finish games anymore. More importantly Rodgers depth per pass has went from 9 yards in 2020, 7.88 yards in 2021, now to 5.88 in 2022. Time is never kind and the lack of talent at WR and the O-line being wrecked by injuries' only highlight Rodgers struggles further.

LAR- A week off allows McVay to fix and restructure an offense that is hurt by injuries and in general looking out of snych. Les Snead didn't have the ammo for McCaffrey and you wonder if he can even make a move this year given the lack of depth in a year the roster needs it badly.

MIN- Apparently the Vikings being off ruined TV watching yesterday. Their next two are ARZ and at WSH with an opportunity to put the division more out of reach. On the flipside Kirk Cousins slow start has him off to his worst numbers in MIN even though the Vikes are 5-1 proving even further QB wins are not a stat.

NYG- This years cinderella story won another close comeback game Sunday against the Jags to get to 6-1. Daniel Jones hasn't been sensational, but he his taken Dabolls coaching well and is not turning the ball over with just 2 INT's in 7 games and no fumbles lost. Safe but smart passing mixed with a dynamite running attack will do things in the NFL.

NOLA- The Saints are averaging the third most yards on offense this year yet they are 2-5, what gives? Turnovers and defense. The Saints defense have allowed 200 pts leading the NFL and the offense has given the ball away 16 times good for over two a game. The Saints invested a lot into their defense and the fruits are not there. Without a 1st round pick this year and a constricting cap situation New Orleans may need a full on reset if they truly want to get out of this faster.

PHI- With the Eagles off the Philly faithful saw the Phillies make it to the World Series. Fun fact in 1980 both the Eagles and Phillies made their respective titles games as the Phillies took home the crown while the Eagles were upset by the wildcard Raiders. Does it happen again in 2022?

SEA- Many were critical of what the Seahawks did in the offseason including myself, but Geno is playing well, Kenneth Walker looks like a gem at RB, and the young defense led by CB Tariq Woolen who has 4 INT and 6 PD is finding its way. Oh and Seattle has Denver's 1st round pick in 2023 which might be quite high in the draft.

SF- Not many teams can stop the Chiefs attack still for a defense that gets so much praise it was a bit of a letdown Sunday to see them shredded so hard. Additionally while McCaffrey is a game changing talent with Jimmy G at QB the teeth in this offense is only so much regardless of who is surrounding Jimmy.

TB- What was that? Just a putrid showing on offense from everyone highlighted by Mike Evans dropping the easiest 75 yard TD of his life. Still the division is crap, the offense has talent even if it is older, and Brady is smart enough to manage the offense to get back into gear but at some point this engine has to turnover too.

Corta- brother you have waaaaaay too much time on you’re hands.  I do appreciate the summmary.  Someday I’ll read it when not working 55-60 hrs a week.  Just kidding brother.  What I did read looked sharp and on point.

 

I agree the closest AFC challenge outside of KC is Cincy.  I think we are still ahead of them, but their offense has weapons.  Their Achilles heel is that line.  GROOT and Von will have a field day with them.

[DCofNC]

16 hours ago, corta765 said:

 

Thing to me is lets say Bills are 13-2 heading into that game and Cincy is 11-4 (7-1 up to that point then) with the offense rolling I could see Cincy being a 1pt fav. Not really a slight as much as situational. 

If the Bills are still rolling teams, they won’t have another game this year where they aren’t the favorite. 

[corta765]

14 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

wow the bengals beat the falcons, a team thats in arguably the very worst division. burrow wont be able to sling it with JA17 come week 17. the bengals wont know know what hit them when the BILLS come to town. their confidence will be shattered right before the playoffs after the Bills destroy em

 

He has had two games with 480 yds and 5 tds in the last two seasons which is pretty rare in league history. The kid can play and stay up with Josh which is legit

6 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Wait... You say the Chiefs wont lose more than 1 game the rest of the way but somehow the Raiders are going race for the division from 3.5 games back?  Both can't happen.

 

No Chiefs own the division I meant more that the Raiders are back in playoff race.

[Big Blitz]

7 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

I dont get it. How is the NFL so bad this season?  No its not because of being spoiled by Allen.  Allen was good last year and even the year before.  The NFL is just legit bad this year other than a few teams.

 

Not sure about this.  I think it’s the same as last year but -

 

The only difference to me is Stafford Rodgers Brady and Wilson have been awful.  
 

Murray and Jackson have been sub par.

 

Lawrence is inconsistent but better then last year.

 

The Steelers lost the best defensive player in the league and are struggling with a rookie QB. 

 

The Colts - like most teams are banged up.  
 

Detroit looks better.  Chicago and Fields are looking better.  
 

How has Washington won 3 games?

 

But the Giants Vikings Dolphins Jets Atlanta and Seattle have all been competitive and at times good.    

 

It’s not all about elite QB play there are only 3 or 4 in the league when we thought there could be 6 or 7 in the AFC alone.   

[FilthyBeast]

8 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Wait... You say the Chiefs wont lose more than 1 game the rest of the way but somehow the Raiders are going race for the division from 3.5 games back?  Both can't happen.

 

I honestly think the Raiders are good enough to finish as good as 12-5 looking at the rest of their schedule and how talented their roster is.

 

Probably won't happen but that was my thinking, but yes if the chiefs don't lose many more games it won't matter for them in the division picture even if they were to finish with 12 wins and beat KC the next time they play them.

[dakrider]

I could see the Chiefs losing only 1 more game.  Bills may only lose 1 more too.  Cinci is getting better and Miami is probably best of the rest right now.  

Bills, KC and Philly - These 3 teams seem way ahead the rest of NFL.

[corta765]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Not sure about this.  I think it’s the same as last year but -

 

The only difference to me is Stafford Rodgers Brady and Wilson have been awful.  
 

Murray and Jackson have been sub par.

 

Lawrence is inconsistent but better then last year.

 

The Steelers lost the best defensive player in the league and are struggling with a rookie QB. 

 

The Colts - like most teams are banged up.  
 

Detroit looks better.  Chicago and Fields are looking better.  
 

How has Washington won 3 games?

 

But the Giants Vikings Dolphins Jets Atlanta and Seattle have all been competitive and at times good.    

 

It’s not all about elite QB play there are only 3 or 4 in the league when we thought there could be 6 or 7 in the AFC alone.   

 

I think a point too that has some validity is the 2020 and 2021 years had really different pre-season and training periods. 2020s numbers are inflated big time for offenses as with no major crowds it was way easier to communicate. Factor in COVID took players out of the lineup a lot and I felt like it hit defenses harder then offenses, you finally get a normal year where things balance more back towards defenses gaining an edge while offenses lose that.

[H2o]

Nothing really stands out to me about this past week except the Chiefs soundly beating SF and the Pats getting trounced by Chicago. The Chiefs are squarely one of the top 2 teams in the NFL. I'm still not sold on Philly. Buffalo is #1 and KC is a close #2. The Pats getting beat like they did by Chicago was pretty shocking. They are definitely looking like the worst team in the division right now. Cincy is also going to have to beat a team better than Atlanta before I say they are back so to speak. The win against Tennessee is looking a lot more strong as well for us, the way we completely dismantled them. They are still a solid squad, even without AJ Brown.  

[Amaru523]

17 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

wow the bengals beat the falcons, a team thats in arguably the very worst division. burrow wont be able to sling it with JA17 come week 17. the bengals wont know know what hit them when the BILLS come to town. their confidence will be shattered right before the playoffs after the Bills destroy em

The Falcons have one of the worst defenses in the league and the Saints are 2-5, can we pump the brakes a little on the Bengals are back talk? I thought the Bills would've crushed them last year, and they'll crush them this year too.

[Scott7975]

5 hours ago, corta765 said:

 

He has had two games with 480 yds and 5 tds in the last two seasons which is pretty rare in league history. The kid can play and stay up with Josh which is legit

 

No Chiefs own the division I meant more that the Raiders are back in playoff race.

 

Are you and FilthyBeast the same person? Because Filthy made the comment and you answered for him lol.