[Name Only Title] Kareem Hunt ??????????????????

[Alphadawg7]

14 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Alpha - it goes beyond what he did.  He was having a nasty party and yes the girl was being a B word and wouldn’t leave, but she was trying to get to some of the other girls with her and get everyone out.  
 

It was a bad situation that he had paid people to take care and hotel security to assist with an he and a few friends took it to far.

 

Appreciate the long thought out response.  Just know, anywhere I use ALL CAPS below, it's not me yelling, just emphasizing the importance of those words.

 

I disagree, I do not think it goes beyond what he did.  You know how many parties NFL players have regularly?  I mean our own Diggs has partied the same way.  Having a party is not a crime, nor does it mean it's "nasty".  

 

More importantly, are you aware that Hunts girlfriend was in the room?  This wasn't some nasty sex exploit of Hunt, he was literally with his girlfriend and her friends.  The girls involved in the incident were 2 women, not a group of women where she was trying to "get everyone out".  Both women were already out, in the hallway, and refusing to leave still.  

 

It was some of Hunts guy friends, his girlfriend, and some of her girl friends in the room.  This was a group of people hanging out and having some drinks, was not a "bad" situation.  And they did it in the safety of a hotel room.  

 

The real mistake was one of Hunts guy friends invited 2 girls he knew through a buddy of his.  Once they were in the room, they found out the girls were NOT 21 and that is why they were asked to leave because they were not old enough to drink.  The one girl kept refusing to leave and started a confrontation with Hunts girlfriend in the room.

 

14 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

First off - he most certainly did kick the girl - whether hard or not that was admitted when he was cut from KC.  
 

Second he did it at a point that the woman was not a threat to him - he did it fully out of anger and revenge.

 

I never said "nothing happened" or that he didn't kick the girl.  I specifically said 90% of the people in this thread do NOT know what happened and are claiming FALSE things happened such as "beat up a woman", "punched a woman in the face", "kicked a woman in the HEAD".  I said none of these false claims happened.  

 

What he did was an initial shove the moment she called him the N word, and then later a light kick push in her butt to nudge her to go the other way and leave.  And if you read my write up of what happened, I repeatedly mention he reacted poorly and was in the wrong for doing anything physical in the first place.  BUT there is non stop false statements in this thread exaggerating what the physical altercation entailed.  

 

And that over dramatization in this thread that grossly exaggerates the actual incident is what I was chastising.  Never did I defend his behavior, but I am simply correcting the false information that is rampant in this thread.

 

14 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Third - the question should be what kind of a party was he having in a hotel room with a bunch of very drunk or drugged women and a bunch of his friends.  It sounds very much like the potential for our punters story.  If it was a legit party - they could of had hotel security easily escort her away, but they avoided hotel security because there were other girls and drugs involved.

 

And here it goes again, now you are making wild assumptions that are not rooted in facts.  Suddenly its now a "bunch of very drunk or drugged women".  Come on...it was TWO women, not a bunch, and there is nothing about this incident that makes them "drugged" as if Hunt and his entourage drugged them.  

 

You see, this is the exaggerated stuff that bothers me.  Now they are suddenly drugged?  You make this sound like the men in the room "drugged" them in an attempted date rape *****.  The facts are, the two women were friends with one of the guys in the group which is how they got invited to hang out.  Once they found out they were NOT 21, they were asked to leave and refused.  

 

The actual original altercation was between all the girls in the room.  They wanted them to leave with alcohol being present and them not being 21.  The 2 girls refused to leave.  That is what started everything.  It had nothing to do with women being drugged.

 

14 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

What we know of the facts was that he told the Chiefs nothing happened and then the video came out - he apologized and the Chiefs canned him for lying.  The NFL suspended him 8 games for this incident and his altercation with another man after this.

 

The player admitted to having anger management issues and substance abuse issues and maybe he has reacted properly to treatment and is better, but to say none of that happened is 100% false.  

 

Once again, I never said nothing happened.  I specifically sighted the FALSE claims people have made and said none of THOSE happened.  

 

14 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

It should not color every decision, but it should also be a part of every decision anyone makes about Hunt going forward.  In this case - I can totally understand a team like the Bills not wanting to trade for a guy that is 100% the opposite of the majority of the team.  Maybe there is untapped potential, but I doubt a coach that worked with Andy Reid for as long as McDermott did would say that the KC incident - where Kansas City that has given every scumbag a second, third, or fourth chance - cuts a guy, maybe he is not for us. 
 

Maybe just maybe - McD and Beane know more about what actually happened than even you pretend to.

 

 

 

No, it shouldn't color every decision.  But it sure feels like you are letting it.  

 

Bottom line...If someone knows the facts and has an opinion about the FACTS, post away.  Nothing wrong with having an independent or differing opinion on the matter when you are forming that opinion on the ACTUAL FACTS of what happened.  I was not chastising someone's opinion, I was chastising the American way of running around spouting false information to skew the perception.

 

But like I said, kudos for at least a real response here even though I still find some of it inaccurate and a bit sensationalized.  But you at least know enough to form your own opinion on the matter, and I don't have an issue with that even though I disagree on the points above.  

 

 

[TheWeatherMan]

50 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

Do we think after releasing douche I mean punt God we will go and sign a domestic abuser?

Congratulations, this statement/question is about the most false I’ve ever seen on this MB.  In fact it contains absolutely zero factual sustenance other than the release of a punter no one cares about.  

[Steel City Mafia]

 

[Warriorspikes51]

12 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said:

 

Offer them a 5th and Moss....but I would do it for a 2024 4th
 

[starrymessenger]

I'm for going all-in. I'd give the Browns our 4th (in effect an early 5th). I'd also consider a third + for Jerry Jeudy if Denver would do it. That would be adding two playmakers for much less than SF paid for CMC. 

[Aurelius]

1 hour ago, Steel City Mafia said:

 

A bargain.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Offer them a 5th and Moss....but I would do it for a 2024 4th
 

 

Why do people think Cleveland cares about Moss?  He has no value to them, they are already stacked at RB, Moss would likely not even be active on gamedays for them.  

 

Give them the 4th...heck, give them our 3rd and go win the SB.  Our 3rd is essentially a 4th almost anyway.  Hunt is a top 5 talent at RB, a pure 3 down RB.  

 

 

[Logic]

I don't want Kareem Hunt.

I think he's a turd.

I enjoy rooting for a team that's turd-free. I would like that to continue.

[Fleezoid]

On 10/24/2022 at 2:45 PM, Warcodered said:

He's like a gift basket.

 

Yes! Exactly what you need to close the deal...

 

 

[gonzo1105]

I'll pass on the 4th rounder. Gonna be some RB's out there on the block and Robinson just went for a 6th. I'd maybe offer a 5th rounder and see if that gets it done. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I don’t want anything to do with a bad egg like Hunt.

 

But even so, could they even fit him under the cap? I thought he counts for like $6M this year? 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

On 10/24/2022 at 2:45 PM, Warcodered said:

He's like a gift basket.

…of fruitcake. 

 

Ultimately, why would we even need to reach for this guy? We’re the best team in the league somehow without his services already. 

Edited October 26, 2022 by NoHuddleKelly12

[Logic]

On 10/25/2022 at 9:51 AM, Alphadawg7 said:

The thread is what I hate about society. Literally 90% of you don’t even know what actually happened and you are in here spreading false claims about what happened.  

 

People claiming he “beat up a woman”, “punched a woman”, “kicked a woman in the head”, etc etc.  

 

Literally none of that happened, in fact, nothing close to that even happened.  If you don’t know the facts, don’t post about it.  

Was he not suspended 8 games for pushing a 19-year-old woman and then, when she was on the ground, kicking her? Was it not caught on videotape?

Did he not admit culpability for the incident, stating he's "definitely not that type of person" and that he knows "right from wrong" after being raised by his mother, and  saying he's "extremely embarrassed because of that video" ? 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/kareem-hunt-video-investigation-timeline-browns/18bl0koc3cxgv1ce8wjzsid5vr

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/sports/football/kareem-hunt-.html#:~:text=In the incident at Hunt's,Hunt then kicked her.

What am I missing here?

[Alphadawg7]

15 minutes ago, Logic said:

Was he not suspended 8 games for pushing a 19-year-old woman and then, when she was on the ground, kicking her? Was it not caught on videotape?

Did he not admit culpability for the incident, stating he's "definitely not that type of person" and that he knows "right from wrong" after being raised by his mother, and  saying he's "extremely embarrassed because of that video" ? 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/kareem-hunt-video-investigation-timeline-browns/18bl0koc3cxgv1ce8wjzsid5vr

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/sports/football/kareem-hunt-.html#:~:text=In the incident at Hunt's,Hunt then kicked her.

What am I missing here?

 

 

No disrespect Logic, but Im not gonna repost the details for the third time on what happened.  You can scroll up to the top of this page or back a few pages to see my thoughts on that.

 

Bottom line:  Its being over exaggerated.  He was a young guy who reacted very poorly to be called the N word by a woman who had been causing trouble in the room, and with hunts girlfriend in the room, and refused to leave even once out of the room.  They wanted her to go because they found out she was not 21 but she was refusing.   

 

The physical contact was very minimal, lets not act like he Ray Riced this woman and its something he cant come back from.  

 

Young man 100% made a mistake.  But the facts are that the woman was the root problem, who was there as a guest of one of Hunt's friends, not with Hunt himself.  Hunt made a big mistake and reacted very poorly after pleading with this woman to leave and being called the N word.  She was the instigator at every stage of this, starting inside the room with Hunts girlfriend and her friends.  

 

He got a second chance and has done everything right.  To hold onto this is unnecessary IMHO.  For anyone to pretend they know his character based on this lone incident makes no sense to me.  I will trust the opinion of his character from all those around him, his teammates, and the fact that he has done everything right since.  All of it points to this being an unfortunate mistake and lapse in judgement, not a rooted character flaw.

[Logic]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

No disrespect Logic, but Im not gonna repost the details for the third time on what happened.  You can scroll up to the top of this page or back a few pages to see my thoughts on that.

 

Bottom line:  Its being over exaggerated.  He was a young guy who reacted very poorly to be called the N word by a woman who had been causing trouble in the room, and with hunts girlfriend in the room, and refused to leave even once out of the room.  They wanted her to go because they found out she was not 21 but she was refusing.   

 

The physical contact was very minimal, lets not act like he Ray Riced this woman and its something he cant come back from.  

 

Young man 100% made a mistake.  But the facts are that the woman was the root problem, who was there as a guest of one of Hunt's friends, not with Hunt himself.  Hunt made a big mistake and reacted very poorly after pleading with this woman to leave and being called the N word.  She was the instigator at every stage of this, starting inside the room with Hunts girlfriend and her friends.  

 

He got a second chance and has done everything right.  To hold onto this is unnecessary IMHO.  For anyone to pretend they know his character based on this lone incident makes no sense to me.  I will trust the opinion of his character from all those around him, his teammates, and the fact that he has done everything right since.  All of it points to this being an unfortunate mistake and lapse in judgement, not a rooted character flaw.

Thanks for the quality response.

Truly appreciated.

[pigpen65]

A 4th rounder is too much. Maybe for like a 7th rounder

[Alphadawg7]

29 minutes ago, Logic said:

Thanks for the quality response.

Truly appreciated.

No problemo sir…A quality poster like yourself deserves a quality response bud  

 

 

[JoPoy88]

3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Offer them a 5th and Moss....but I would do it for a 2024 4th
 

No one wants Moss, least of all Cleveland. He does not sweeten the deal. They would not be considering trading Hunt in the first place if they were interested in a RB in return. The Browns are bad, and just traded away the farm for Watson. They want picks. 

[Aussie Joe]

1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said:

I'll pass on the 4th rounder. Gonna be some RB's out there on the block and Robinson just went for a 6th. I'd maybe offer a 5th rounder and see if that gets it done. 

They offered a 5th ( actually it’s more like an early 6th ) and they said no

[LabattBlue]

It is Wednesday, and guess what?  He is still a scumbag, and still a hard no.