Orlando Buffalo Posted November 29, 2022 Posted November 29, 2022 4 hours ago, nedboy7 said: Man you all really need to just read a little more. Byrd made a 180 years ago. Right @aristocrat? As Robert Byrd passes, an era in race relations ends. Byrd started his political life as an Exalted Cyclops in the Ku Klux Klan. In 1944, Byrd wrote the following in a letter to Senator Theodore Bilbo: "I shall never fight in the armed forces with a ***** by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." Byrd filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act for 14 hours. Byrd changed his mind later in life. In some respects, that change seems to have been politically motivated; maybe it was only politics at first.In 1997, he had this advice for up-and-coming politicians: "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena." That sounds like a coldly calculated assessment of political risk. Byrd made no secret of the decision he made to downplay his segregationist views in order to advance in Washington and move toward the mainstream. But while the cosmetic changes were going on, something was also happening inside the mind of Robert Byrd. Last year he spoke to C-SPAN about why he would vote differently on the Civil Rights bill today. He said, "I thought, well now suppose I were black, and my grandson and I were on the highways in the mid-hours of the morning or midnight, and I stopped at a place to get that little grandson a glass of water or to have it go to the restroom, and there's a sign 'WHITES ONLY'... black people love their grandsons as much as I love mine, and that's not right." George Rutherford of the West Virginia NAACP told us he believed Byrd's metamorphosis was sincere, that his conversion was as true as Saul's. And while I admit that I never met the senator or knew him personally, I also tend to believe that he had a crisis of conscience over racism and grew to know the error of his ways. It's telling that he used a small grandchild as a way to explain the basic inhumanity of segregation. I saw the power of children first-hand, as my father's parents were born in rural Texas and had all the prejudices you might expect from white Texans born in the early 20th century. But my father brought home a mixed-race bride, and his children were all part black. I have no idea what my grandparents thought when they first met my mother, when they first shook the brown hand of her father. But I know that they loved me unconditionally and without reserve, and it wasn't until I was an adult that I discovered they had started life with negative opinions about African-Americans. It may be cheesy and cliche, and suitable subject matter for an after-school special, but it nevertheless remains true: love can burn through prejudices and conquer racism without much effort. I don't know who Senator Robert Byrd loved, who made him suddenly see racism as inhuman and cruel. But I do know that his conversion is a powerful and significant as any other story of civil rights in America. His passing is the ending of an era. With him goes a generation of Americans who were prejudiced because they grew up never seeing or knowing anyone with brown skin. With him goes the ugliness of KKK members on Capitol Hill, but also the beauty of transformation that comes with illumination. Kinda like how you all defend that turd Walker cause you know those abortions were decades ago. So he is reformed sort of..... Amazing that his "come to Jesus" moment was right about the time that it kept in line with the majority of his voters. He also was a stout racist for 50+ years of his life, which was most of the time he was advising Biden. Your stating I need to read more is condescending while I assure you I am more aware of his political calculating than you are, which you admit was likely happening in 1997. Byrd was a scumbag and throwing some money at the families that he helped murder while in the KKK from the Senate floor 50 years later does not absolve him in my mind.
nedboy7 Posted November 29, 2022 Posted November 29, 2022 35 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: Amazing that his "come to Jesus" moment was right about the time that it kept in line with the majority of his voters. He also was a stout racist for 50+ years of his life, which was most of the time he was advising Biden. Your stating I need to read more is condescending while I assure you I am more aware of his political calculating than you are, which you admit was likely happening in 1997. Byrd was a scumbag and throwing some money at the families that he helped murder while in the KKK from the Senate floor 50 years later does not absolve him in my mind. Argue all you want about who you absolve and who you don't. I am pretty sure David Duke voted from Trump over Biden.
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 29, 2022 Posted November 29, 2022 29 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Argue all you want about who you absolve and who you don't. I am pretty sure David Duke voted from Trump over Biden. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/white-nationalist-richard-spencer-votes-joe-biden-hell-libertarian-ideology-1544572%3famp=1
nedboy7 Posted November 29, 2022 Posted November 29, 2022 13 hours ago, Orlando Tim said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/white-nationalist-richard-spencer-votes-joe-biden-hell-libertarian-ideology-1544572%3famp=1 "The MAGA/Alt-Right moment is over," Spencer added. "I made mistakes; Trump is an obvious disaster, but mainly the paradigm contained flaws that we now are able to perceive. And it needs to end." Now that’s funny. 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 9 hours ago, nedboy7 said: "The MAGA/Alt-Right moment is over," Spencer added. "I made mistakes; Trump is an obvious disaster, but mainly the paradigm contained flaws that we now are able to perceive. And it needs to end." Now that’s funny. Trump is an obvious disaster to a man whose main goal is making the country more racist, and he wanted Biden who has 50 years of evidence of who he is.
nedboy7 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said: Trump is an obvious disaster to a man whose main goal is making the country more racist, and he wanted Biden who has 50 years of evidence of who he is. There is a reason Tucker talks about White Replacement Theory. Edited November 30, 2022 by nedboy7
TSOL Posted December 3, 2022 Posted December 3, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Why are they highlighting this? Is this a real big problem in our country? I feel like this might be rhetoric designed to incite manufactured fear Edited December 3, 2022 by TSOL Complete
Doc Posted December 3, 2022 Posted December 3, 2022 1 hour ago, TSOL said: Why are they highlighting this? Is this a real big problem in our country? I feel like this might be rhetoric designed to incite manufactured fear I'm assuming because of Kanye West.
TSOL Posted December 3, 2022 Posted December 3, 2022 46 minutes ago, Doc said: I'm assuming because of Kanye West. The DNC is the problem, not Nazis. This is getting ridiculous
Orlando Buffalo Posted December 3, 2022 Posted December 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: Why is Stalin not added into this list? Many people on the left defend him and he was also "a demonic figure"
Sundancer Posted December 3, 2022 Posted December 3, 2022 19 hours ago, TSOL said: Why are they highlighting this? Is this a real big problem in our country? Ask a Jewish American how they feel since Charlottesville. Normalizing anti-Semitism, such as when a president has dinner with someone who says Hitler is good, is a pretty big step in normalizing it. 19 hours ago, TSOL said: I feel like this might be rhetoric designed to incite manufactured fear 1
TSOL Posted December 3, 2022 Posted December 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Ask a Jewish American how they feel since Charlottesville. Normalizing anti-Semitism, such as when a president has dinner with someone who says Hitler is good, is a pretty big step in normalizing it. I'm not seeing it Sundancer. I'm not seeing a normalization of Nazism or anti semitism. I see the normalization coming from those that are splattering social media with references to it, but I'm not seeing an uptick in actual Nazis. Or actual anti semites. I'm seeing a lot of rhetoric on it coming from the left on it though. Like if I start warming you about the dangers of meteorites falling on your home for long enough, you're gonna worry about meteorites falling on your home right? Would you be interested in buying a meteorite shield for your home? Or meteorite insurance?
Sundancer Posted December 3, 2022 Posted December 3, 2022 33 minutes ago, TSOL said: I'm not seeing it Sundancer. I'm not seeing a normalization of Nazism or anti semitism. I see the normalization coming from those that are splattering social media with references to it, but I'm not seeing an uptick in actual Nazis. Or actual anti semites. I'm seeing a lot of rhetoric on it coming from the left on it though. Like if I start warming you about the dangers of meteorites falling on your home for long enough, you're gonna worry about meteorites falling on your home right? Would you be interested in buying a meteorite shield for your home? Or meteorite insurance? Asking again: What do your Jewish friends say? I know what mine are saying. They’ve never seen a rise of American acceptance of anti-Semitism like this and they don’t feel like there’s a counter trend, especially when it’s being normalized by leading politicians, entertainers, and some of the media. Nazi-ism and the holocaust are not in most people’s lifetimes but many Jewish folk only need look back one generation to know victims of it.
Chef Jim Posted December 3, 2022 Posted December 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Sundancer said: Asking again: What do your Jewish friends say? I know what mine are saying. They’ve never seen a rise of American acceptance of anti-Semitism like this and they don’t feel like there’s a counter trend, especially when it’s being normalized by leading politicians, entertainers, and some of the media. Nazi-ism and the holocaust are not in most people’s lifetimes but many Jewish folk only need look back one generation to know victims of it. And they would likely kick you in the nuts for making the comparison.
TSOL Posted December 3, 2022 Posted December 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Asking again: What do your Jewish friends say? I know what mine are saying. They’ve never seen a rise of American acceptance of anti-Semitism like this and they don’t feel like there’s a counter trend, especially when it’s being normalized by leading politicians, entertainers, and some of the media. Nazi-ism and the holocaust are not in most people’s lifetimes but many Jewish folk only need look back one generation to know victims of it. It's all marketing man, you know, statistics show 1 in 4 homes have an 11% chance of being struck by meteorites. Just sayin
Sundancer Posted December 3, 2022 Posted December 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: And they would likely kick you in the nuts for making the comparison. What comparison. I’m saying that Jewish people recognize a sea change because they are not so removed from that time. 1 hour ago, TSOL said: It's all marketing man, you know, statistics show 1 in 4 homes have an 11% chance of being struck by meteorites. Just sayin You went to Lehnard’s school. Avoid the question. Avoid. Edited December 3, 2022 by Sundancer
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