Adding a RB

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

“fine”

”okay”

”meh”

 

perfect words to describe singletary

 

Nice to know a player averaging 4.7 yards per carry over his career is meh.  Meh is what I would use to describe Najeh Harris

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Singletary is good but he's slow.

 

He'll be limited to short passes and running up the middle.

Any type of toss pitch or running him outside is DOA.

 

Thats why we need to see if Cook can get to the outside or at least give him a chance.

[billsbackto81]

6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Nice to know a player averaging 4.7 yards per carry over his career is meh.  Meh is what I would use to describe Najeh Harris

For someone who was hyped so much coming in he hasn't shown much of anything.

[Big Turk]

8 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

For someone who was hyped so much coming in he hasn't shown much of anything.

 

Other than averaging 4.7 yards a carry and being 7th in the NFL in that for RBs with more than 400 carries since he came into the league?

 

Pretty funny how people see things. He hasn't done anything, other than do what he is supposed to do, which is gain yards when running the ball, which the Bills don't do much of to begin with.

 

He also is very effective in pass pro, which is the Bills biggest want for an RB.

 

Edited October 24, 2022 by Big Turk

[Nephilim17]

I wasn't a huge fan of Singletary before this year but I am pleasantly surprised at his improved burst and/or vision hitting the holes early.

Regarding his average, however, isn't it very possible it's inflated by playing with Josh Allen? Defenses are totally keying up for the pass and don't mind if Motor "gashes" them for almost five yards a carry.

Also: do you have confidence in Singletary for third and short and goal-line stands? I don't. And I don't want Josh running all the time.

I'm not against Singletary but I would be much more confident with a bigger-bodied back who's good at grinding out the tough short yards. And for not a lot of draft capital — I'm talking something like a sixth rounder. I just know that Moss ain't that short-yardage back.

Edited October 24, 2022 by Nephilim17

[Chicken Boo]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Nice to know a player averaging 4.7 yards per carry over his career is meh.  Meh is what I would use to describe Najeh Harris

 

That's such a misleading stat, given the amount of carries he gets.  

 

Fred Taylor, Dalvin Cook. Tiki Barber, Adrian Peterson, Terrell Davis, etc are all 4.6-4.7 career guys.  Singletary ain't that. 

[billsbackto81]

10 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Other than averaging 4.7 yards a carry and being 7th in the NFL in that for RBs with more than 400 carries since he came into the league?

 

Pretty funny how people see things. He hasn't done anything, other than do what he is supposed to do, which is gain yards when running the ball, which the Bills don't do much of to begin with.

 

He also is very effective in pass pro, which is the Bills biggest want for an RB.

 

I was referring to Najee Harris bud. 😂

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

I wasn't a huge fan of Singletary before this year but I am pleasantly surprised at his improved burst and/or vision hitting the holes early.

Regarding his average, however, isn't it very possible it's inflated by playing with Josh Allen? Defenses are totally keying up for the pass and don't mind if Motor "gashes" them for almost five yards a carry.

Also: do you have confidence in Singletary for third and short and goal-line stands? I don't. And I don't want Josh running all the time.

I'm not against Singletary but I would be much more capable with a bigger-bodied back who's good at grinding out the tough short yards. And for not a lot of draft capital — I'm talking something like a sixth rounder. I just know that Moss ain't that short-yardage back.

 

I don't have confidence in the run blocking in short distance running, nothing to do with the backs.  They have been terrible in power situations for years now in terms of offensive line stats and haven't improved much this year. The line is set to pass protect.  Just going to have to live with short yardage run issues.

6 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

That's such a misleading stat, given the amount of carries he gets.  

 

Fred Taylor, Dalvin Cook. Tiki Barber, Adrian Peterson, Terrell Davis, etc are all 4.6-4.7 career guys.  Singletary ain't that. 

 

He has more career carries than CMC and a higher average...bet you wouldn't have guessed that would you?

[Chicken Boo]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

He has more career carries than CMC and a higher average...bet you wouldn't have guessed that would you?

Without checking, I'm positive that's due to injury and the amount of games CMC has missed.  

 

Surely you aren't suggesting that a healthy Singletary is as good as a healthy McCaffrey - although neither are really short yardage guys which is why Barkley > CMC, but I digress 

Edited October 24, 2022 by Chicken Boo

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

Without checking, I'm positive that's due to injury and the amount of games CMC has missed.  

 

Surely you aren't suggesting that a healthy Singletary is as good as a healthy McCaffrey - although neither are really short yardage guys which is why Barkley > CMC, but I digress 

 

No, I am not, but people want to act like Singletary is some scrub back when he has put up very good numbers for us with limited use...why can't people get it through their head the Bills are not interested in becoming some heavy run team?

[Chicken Boo]

19 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

No, I am not, but people want to act like Singletary is some scrub back when he has put up very good numbers for us with limited use...why can't people get it through their head the Bills are not interested in becoming some heavy run team?

 

I get it and agree that Singletary is a good back - and it's not even so much about being a run heavy offense as it is having a more dynamic guy who's a threat to go yard every time they touch the ball.  

 

I like Devin, but I also feel like the position can and should be upgraded.  The fact that Beane was exploring a trade for McCaffrey let's me know he sees it too.  

 

*and that guy just might be Cook.  We'll see.

Edited October 24, 2022 by Chicken Boo

[Solomon Grundy]

37 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

That's such a misleading stat, given the amount of carries he gets.  

 

Fred Taylor, Dalvin Cook. Tiki Barber, Adrian Peterson, Terrell Davis, etc are all 4.6-4.7 career guys.  Singletary ain't that. 

I'd like to ask one serious question. Wouldn't you like to have a RB that's a threat in the red zone? Just look at what Josh Jacobs is doing in Vegas. 

[Chicken Boo]

8 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I'd like to ask one serious question. Wouldn't you like to have a RB that's a threat in the red zone? Just look at what Josh Jacobs is doing in Vegas. 

 

Of course.  Ideally I'd like an all purpose, 3-down back.  

[HopelessNJBuffaloFan]

We have what we need in the RB department. If anything another O linemen or maybe another WR with speed. I do not see another spot to waste any effort on. 

[BigAl2526]

I am entirely in favor of adding a quality running back, IF it can be done without spending a lot of draft capital or throwing future cap management out of whack.  I have my doubts that it can be done with those constraints during the season, but if Beane can find the right deal. . .  It's definitely on the table in the next off season.

[Nephilim17]

I'd be in favor of adding a back in the fourth or fifth round next year with good size (220 lb plus) and good but far from elite speed (4.5 to 4.6). Cost-control contract for a few years.

 

Other than a guard and safety, I can't see us having too many needs and I think a bruising back with some decent wheels would be a good lower-round pick. The thunder to Cook's (hopefully speaking as it's unproven) lightning.

[RocCityRoller]

19 minutes ago, HopelessNJBuffaloFan said:

We have what we need in the RB department. If anything another O linemen or maybe another WR with speed. I do not see another spot to waste any effort on. 

S depth would be good. A Dean Marlowe type. Hamlin has been a pleasant surprise. Johnson is limited, not sure about Neal either TBH.

[ColoradoBills]

On 10/21/2022 at 9:03 PM, TampaBillsJunkie said:

Actually the guy that intrigues me at RB is D'Ernest Johnson in Cleveland. He's languishing behind Chubb and Hunt and when given the opportunity has performed well in a poorly run organization. He seems like a process guy and has never had any issues off the field as far as I know.  As a Moss replacement, it might be worth a 6th or 7th.  But I don't think RB is priority one.  I'd like to see us lock in OBJ as our main addition. 
 

 

I don't think there will be a trade for a RB by the deadline.  That said, I would like to see D'Ernest in Buffalo next season.

He's an UFA and wouldn't cost much.  Coming to Buffalo would be at the top of his list.

 

Now, if the Bills do want to bring him in for a 7th, I wouldn't mind it at all.  He is going on 27 but has little wear and tear as a RB.

He is a good general special teamer and can also return KOs and even PR in a pinch.

 

On 10/23/2022 at 6:44 AM, streetkings01 said:

How about we cut Moss and elevate Johnson before he asks for his release?

 

What I have suggested is getting Duke into a game or 2 while still on the PS.  I think this will happen in the coming weeks.

After evaluating those games, a decision on him and Moss longer term could be easier. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

If we beat GB Sunday, I’d say there’s a chance Jones becomes available 

[Alphadawg7]

I am totally comfortable with Devin and have enough confidence in him to where I don't feel like we "need" to make a move to win a SB.  He is better than he gets credit for and has done well when given enough touches.  And he is absolutely beloved by Josh and the team.  

 

So for me, the only RB that is being reported as "available" via trade that I would support a trade for (in terms of playing ahead of Devin) is Kareem Hunt.  He could make a bigger impact here than even CMC would have IMHO because he can also be a force between the tackles for tough yards.  Hunt is a legit top 5 RB candidate as as starter, a true 3 down back.  

 

NOTE:  I wouldn't mind the Bills taking a flier and sending a low round pick to LA for Akers.  He at least has starter/backup potential next year after Devin inevitably leaves, assuming Akers can bounce back with a change of scenery and being further removed from his previous injury last year.  So I wouldn't mind that gamble given I don't have a lot of confidence in Moss.