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Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I still wouldn’t have traded a 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th in 2024 for him even in hindsight if we don’t win a superbowl and they do.  We’d have to let some players walk to keep him too 

 

they are in danger of going all in on this year and not winning it then being screwed in the future especially because they traded up for Lance also.  I still think the eagles and cowboys with Dak are gonna cause them issues.  It’s hard to count out Brady figuring it out too 

Me either, but there's apparently a huge CMC fan club on twobillsdrive. who were ready to part ways with a 1st rounder to get him here.

 

 

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3 hours ago, TFBillsfan said:

Mercy that’s a ton of draft capital and cap hit going forward. No way would I wanted to give up that much for a RB. San Fran already traded away multiple 1st for Lance so I’m stunned how much they gave up for CMC. Good for Carolina to get what they got.

It is literally 0 cap hit. His entire salary for SF is base salary. None of it is guaranteed.

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2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Me either, but there's apparently a huge CMC fan club on twobillsdrive. who were ready to part ways with a 1st rounder to get him here.

 

 

I can see the whole being starved to win a superbowl thing which seems to be where they’re coming from…but imo winning the superbowl in any individual season requires a little bit of luck in addition to a great team (see: bills losing OT coin toss last year) and the best way to get one is to be great over a long period of time. 
 

im curious if the rams really nosedive if their fans years from now will say selling out for that one superbowl was worth it. 

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9 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

they are in danger of going all in on this year and not winning it then being screwed in the future especially because they traded up for Lance also.  I still think the eagles and cowboys with Dak are gonna be tough.  It’s hard to count out Brady figuring it out too 

 

I mean, I think that's kinda the plan. Go all in this year, then tank next year and be in a spot to reset and replace Lance in 2024.

 

Winning this year helps soften that blow of sucking next year.

 

 

6 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

It is literally 0 cap hit. His entire salary for SF is base salary. None of it is guaranteed.

 

Yeah but they have to get a new deal done, or else they are stuck paying that $12M/yr. And now that the trade has been done BEFORE a new deal is in place, CMC has the 9ers bent over a barrel, just like Tunsil did to BOB and the Texans.

 

They are racing to the point where their only choice will be to pay CMC big money, or give up all those picks for a 4 month rental.

 

I thought part of the trade talks dragging on was the new team working on a restructure. We may still see one, but it will be under the graciousness of CMC.

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18 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Not sure the Panthers are blowing it, they don't have to tank, Rhule set them up to already suck. Shaq Thompson and other elder players are the ones they will trade. A 26 27 yr old rb who has had some injuries, has a 12m per season cap hit, is simply not a player worth hanging on to either. 

 

For DJ or Burns to go, the offers would have to be multiple 1s. They are still young players at positions you will have to replace. These 2 players specifically will still be excellent in 2 to 3 years with the rookie qb they draft at 1 next season...I wouldn't call it a blow up at all. They are actually in a decent spot

By “blowing it up” I meant that they’re doing what you are describing.

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14 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

It is literally 0 cap hit. His entire salary for SF is base salary. None of it is guaranteed.

Ok…. I’ll play again.

 

In order to have 0 cap hit, they’d have to cut him.  They just traded 4 draft picks for him.  Do you think they plan of cutting him and not paying him anything (hence, literally zero cap hit).  That’s not going to happen.  They will restructure/extend him and pay him.  They’ll pay him much more than most starting running backs will be paid.  This after they drafted a Rb in rd 2 a couple months ago….and RBs in rd 3 and 6 last year.  It’s an insane allocation of assets into the leagues most easily replaceable position.  Meanwhile….their interior offensive line is trash.  

so….there will most definitely be a cap hit…, unless they decided to just give up 4 draft picks for a 2/3 of a year rental. 

 

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It's still a QB driven league.  Even if SF gets to the Super Bowl, it's going to be Jimmy G vs a franchise QB from the AFC (hopefully Josh Allen).  This reminds me of the time back in 2019 when I looked at an upcoming December night game Bills at Steelers where Pittsburgh was favored and thought Josh Allen vs Duck Hodges, laughed and then raced to the casino to bet the Bills on the money line.  

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I thought the whole point of shanahan system was they can pull anyone in. I thought Wilson had been good for them. 
 

obviously, CMC is a special player (when healthy) and they can do some nasty things with him and Deebo. But that seems like a lot of money for a rb with his injury concerns and your qb is Jimmy G. Interesting move though. 

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3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Ok…. I’ll play again.

 

In order to have 0 cap hit, they’d have to cut him.  They just traded 4 draft picks for him.  Do you think they plan of cutting him and not paying him anything (hence, literally zero cap hit).  That’s not going to happen.  They will restructure/extend him and pay him.  They’ll pay him much more than most starting running backs will be paid.  This after they drafted a Rb in rd 2 a couple months ago….and RBs in rd 3 and 6 last year.  It’s an insane allocation of assets into the leagues most easily replaceable position.  Meanwhile….their interior offensive line is trash.  

so….there will most definitely be a cap hit…, unless they decided to just give up 4 draft picks for a 2/3 of a year rental. 

 

You are falling for a sunk cost fallacy. After this season CMC is still an asset with 0 guaranteed money. That makes him a valuable trade commodity if SF wanted to cut bait, or they can not agree on a restructure. Without any guaranteed money there is no hit for SF to trade him if it did not work out, and it allows the trading team to restructure his contract.

 

The draft assets were too rich for Buffalo. I say that as a fan that did want him here as a rental, but not at that cost. SF has $15.9 million in cap space in 2023 with McCaffrey's $12M salary accounted for (OTC is fast!). I've shown how that easily gets dropped to 6-8 million next year freeing up 4-6 million more for SF in 2023 through a basic restructure.

 

Agreed Buffalo didn't have the cap room for even a restructure CMC would agree to, and once the price went to 4 picks it didn't make sense here as a rental.

 

But these comments about SF taking a massive cap hit, or being saddled with a guy are just silly.

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Hate this deal for the 49ers.  I think you get David Montgomery for a 5th and I would rather have him than McCaffery.  McCaffery has a higher ceiling, but Montgomery has a much, much higher floor.  McCaffery's floor is at ground zero due to injury risk, IMHO.  Montgomery is bigger, more powerful and catches the ball very well.  Get him for a 5th and be happy!

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2 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:


The wording was the last two teams remaining didn’t have a 1st rd pick

 

 the price was to high for beane

 

The price was always too high for Beane.

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1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Ok…. I’ll play again.

 

In order to have 0 cap hit, they’d have to cut him.  They just traded 4 draft picks for him.  Do you think they plan of cutting him and not paying him anything (hence, literally zero cap hit).  That’s not going to happen.  They will restructure/extend him and pay him.  They’ll pay him much more than most starting running backs will be paid.  This after they drafted a Rb in rd 2 a couple months ago….and RBs in rd 3 and 6 last year.  It’s an insane allocation of assets into the leagues most easily replaceable position.  Meanwhile….their interior offensive line is trash.  

so….there will most definitely be a cap hit…, unless they decided to just give up 4 draft picks for a 2/3 of a year rental. 

 


they could trade him again to recoup some draft picks or more likely he renegotiates at a lower cap hit to get some more guaranteed $. So the least likely scenario is he plays at $12/yr for the next 3.  

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24 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:


they could trade him again to recoup some draft picks or more likely he renegotiates at a lower cap hit to get some more guaranteed $. So the least likely scenario is he plays at $12/yr for the next 3.  

 

Imagine the 49ers winning the Superbowl, then trading CMC for a 1st and 3rd.

 

 

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Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, I am going back to read after I comment, but what are the odds that Beane is currently on the phone with Carolina, trying to pry away one of those new found draft picks, in exchange for Zack Moss.  I fully anticipate this happening, I just hope he can get the 3rd rounder.  #thewizardofBeane

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20 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

 

Imagine the 49ers winning the Superbowl, then trading CMC for a 1st and 3rd.

 

 

If the Panthers could've gotten a 1st rounder this time, they would have.  

4 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, I am going back to read after I comment, but what are the odds that Beane is currently on the phone with Carolina, trying to pry away one of those new found draft picks, in exchange for Zack Moss.  I fully anticipate this happening, I just hope he can get the 3rd rounder.  #thewizardofBeane

We all would take the 3rd rounder over Moss.  I'm sure Carolina would too.

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