All-22 Grades for Bills/Chiefs (The Athletic)

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

I’ve always been leery of PFF’s processes and proclamations simply due to the sheer enormity of the task.
 

According to their website, only 10% of their 600 employees are qualified to do grading of players each game, so around 60 graders in total.

 

There are an average of 60 plays per game on both sides of the ball; 60 offensive snaps, 60 defensive snaps, 120 snaps total on average per game. 
 

120 plays multiplied by 22 players per play equals 2640 individual player snaps per game per team which equals 84,480 individual player snaps each week. 
 

84,480 divided by 60 PFF graders equals 1,408 individual player snaps to grade each week.
 

They claim to have numbers finalized on Mondays. Color me skeptical that anyone can thoroughly analyze 1,408 individual player snaps in less than a day. 

What, you don't trust Timo Riske from Germany to do qualified NFL grading and analysis?

[K-9]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They do not have finalised numbers on Monday. They have initial numbers that they normally publish on a Tuesday and then they do regularly refine numbers during the week. That is not to say I think their process is flawless it isn't. But they watch every snap. Sure they give neutral grades to non-targeted guys but neutral grades are still higher than average coverage grade. I don't think that is perfect, but I think mainly when it comes to PFF haters just want to hate.

I got the info about when the numbers are finalized right off their website. If I misunderstood, my apologies. Regardless, it’s a yeoman’s task for one person to thoroughly analyze over 1,400 plays so quickly. 
 

Anyway, here’s where I saw the reference to finalizing numbers on Monday. 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-6-highlights-pff-grades-2022

 

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We will be checking in on PFF grades and data each Monday when numbers are finalized, highlighting some of the interesting performances from Sunday’s action.

 

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

What, you don't trust Timo Riske from Germany to do qualified NFL grading and analysis?

I’m sure he does the best he can, but I take everything they do with a boulder of salt. 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I got the info about when the numbers are finalized right off their website. If I misunderstood, my apologies. Regardless, it’s a yeoman’s task for one person to thoroughly analyze over 1,400 plays so quickly. 
 

Anyway, here’s where I saw the reference to finalizing numbers on Monday. 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-6-highlights-pff-grades-2022

 

 

 

So my info is directly from Neil Hornsby the founder who is British. However, I see he has officially stepped aside after a partial sale this summer. 

 

I know Neil a little bit. I wouldn't say we always get on. But we have had conversations. 

[Beck Water]

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

They don't grade DBs if the ball isn't thrown their way (this is why they always grade Tre White lower than he should be) which leads me to believe they do not actually watch every snap. I have also read that they use broadcast footage, not All-22, and sometimes will grade entire position groups at the same time on a single snap instead of watching each individual player. Doing some rough math there would be about 48,000 individual player snaps to watch on any given week where all 32 NFL teams play. There's no way they are watching every one of those, I don't care how many unpaid interns they have.

 

Someone said they also don't grade LB who don't have coverage responsibilities or make a tackle in the run game

Which would make a lot of sense to their grade of Milano vs Chiefs

 

Because Milano was all about containment

[No_Matter_What]

31 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Someone said they also don't grade LB who don't have coverage responsibilities or make a tackle in the run game

Which would make a lot of sense to their grade of Milano vs Chiefs

 

Because Milano was all about containment

Have you seen this video I posted in other thread? They explain Milano a bit from 50:45.

 

 

They are basically saying that the main reason for his low grade is that gave up 6 catches on 6 targets to 70+ yards and that 4 of those catches were for the first down, and that he missed 3 missed tackles. FWIW, PFR also says he missed 3 tackles but makes him responsible only for 3 catches on 3 targets.

 

I'd love to know which catches both sites considers as Milano's. It is a shame that PFF doesn't show them in this video. 

[QLBillsFan]

All I can say is I have more faith in any grading system that gives Milano an A- vs the PFF garbage grade he was given by them. Even a casual fan can observe Milano against KC and feel he had a strong game. 
Biggest concern for me is OL in general but I would agree it was an improvement. It’s time for Kromer to get that position group at a B or above by any measurement. If so this team will be extremely tough to beat in OP and Arizona.