Did we just teach the NFL how to defend against KC?

[HOUSE]

By signing Von Miller we proved you need a stud pass rusher. 

So yes

[MarkyMannn]

39 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Pretty sure the Bills  jammed him at the line and got flagged for it ( bad call but still )

Yeah there also was a play where Kelce pushed off at the line and amazingly got called for it

[Nephilim17]

Another thing we did differently this game versus the past:

We blitzed Mahomes 10 times. The old narrative was you can't do that to Mahomes and survive.

Well, in 2022, post Tyreek Hill and perhaps post new Bills additions, it's working:

"This time the Bills sent five or more rushers at Mahomes on 10 of 52 dropbacks (19%). He completed just 3 of 9 for 26 yards on those plays. The Bills blitzed Mahomes five times on first down and five on second down. They never blitzed him on third down. That's probably close to the maximum the Bills want to show blitz against the Chiefs."

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/analysis-bills-defense-pulled-out-blitz-dime-3-man-rush-wrinkles-vs-chiefs/article_05357caa-4e48-11ed-9bd2-1b5694eaa7f8.html

Note: this a paywall Buffalo News article. 
 

[FilthyBeast]

Mahomes still had a typical day passing with 300+ yards and they had two guys over 100 yards receiving including Kelce.

 

The difference was 2 INT's from Mahomes and yet they still only lost by 4 points.

 

So long story short, no we didn't teach the NFL anything. Mahomes is still going to do his thing and the Chiefs are probably still a 12 win team minimum this year and destined to face the Bills yet again in January when it will be that more difficult to win against them again.

[djp14150]

1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said:

So bear with me on this one because there is history on us doing this.

 

2020 the second last week we played the Ravens, a team no one could really stop on the ground. that year in the playoffs the Titans even though they lost said they learned from Buffalo how to defend Baltimore. Baltimore really has not been the same since.

 

Now i get it. Mahomes will always be Mahomes. will be a top tier QB for a long time... 

 

BUT

 

Did we just teach defenses... good defenses around the league how to defend KC?

 

Does anyone remember the last time KC scored 20 or less points in a game?

 

to be continued.

 

Thoughts?

 

what did Indy do when they beat them?

 

what did TB do in the SB?

 

what did cincinati do in the AFC champ game?

 

[DrDawkinstein]

Yes, but last year.

 

This was the story after last year's regular season victory. "The Bills taught the league to use a soft bubble Cover 2 and stop Mahomes!"

 

It's why you see a lot more teams doing it this year. To the Chiefs, to us, to the Ravens. But the problem for other Defenses is they dont have the players to support it.

[dma0034]

Well teams adjusted to the Cover 2 and now Mahomes/Allen are rolling again. Only way to stop Mahomes/Allen is to get pressure quickly. The more pressured Mahomes got the worse he became during the game... he started throwing quicker and missed some throws. Problem: there are only a handful of teams that can do it

[Buffalo Boy]

20 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Of course it was only Von Miller-  but it also wasn’t just 11 guys playing together.  We had that last year to the tune of having the #1 ranked D in the league.  But Mahomes tore us up.  It was a combination of great defensive play calling, a well oil defense and the bills adding a superstar pass rusher.  Teams that don’t have a super star pass rusher won’t be able to follow our lead.  

Von was the difference defensively.  Last year, Mahomes would escape, run around and move the chains at will. Sunday, Von got a sack to force a 3rd and 19, then punt.  Von got a sack on 3rd and 6 to force a punt.  He miraculously tackled Mahomes from behind, while jumping over one of his teammates to prevent Mahomes from running for the first on 3rd down and holding them to a fg.  If we didn’t have him, we would have lost and our “blueprint” would be but a dream
 

 

   So, no credit to Jones, Phillips and Lawson for helping not only plug up the middle and keep the LBs clean and free but also get pressure up the middle.

    You take away those three and their play in the middle and Millers heroics are probably for naught as Mahomes/Houdini has other avenues of escape.

   This D as a whole is better than last year because of multiple upgrades on the line.

[Billz4ever]

8 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Mahomes still had a typical day passing with 300+ yards and they had two guys over 100 yards receiving including Kelce.

 

The difference was 2 INT's from Mahomes and yet they still only lost by 4 points.

 

So long story short, no we didn't teach the NFL anything. Mahomes is still going to do his thing and the Chiefs are probably still a 12 win team minimum this year and destined to face the Bills yet again in January when it will be that more difficult to win against them again.

 42 yards and a TD of Mahomes stats was Schuster's short catch and busted play.  That was on us.  Nothing special the Chiefs did.

[Boatdrinks]

17 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said:

Yeah there also was a play where Kelce pushed off at the line and amazingly got called for it

Agreed , both pretty weak calls. 

[Billz4ever]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   So, no credit to Jones, Phillips and Lawson for helping not only plug up the middle and keep the LBs clean and free but also get pressure up the middle.

    You take away those three and their play in the middle and Millers heroics are probably for naught as Mahomes/Houdini has other avenues of escape.

   This D as a whole is better than last year because of multiple upgrades on the line.

Did you not listen to Von after the game?  He literally gave credit to those guys and said they all make each other better and allow him to do what he does.

[Buffalo Boy]

2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Did you not listen to Von after the game?  He literally gave credit to those guys and said they all make each other better and allow him to do what he does.

I know he did. Does the poster I’m replying to know this🤔

Trust me, I was bigtime basking in the afterglow of that win and all the pressers and coverage I could find.

Edited October 18, 2022 by Buffalo Boy

[BRH]

41 minutes ago, wjag said:

 

As I recall, one Bills defender fell down trying to make the tackle and right in the path of a chaser who tripped.  The third guy had to go around and lost time and momentum. Credit JuJu for avoiding the wreck.  Yeah I agreed it did look a bit like the Keystone Kops on that play.

 

This is how well the defense played:  Mahomes' two touchdowns were the result of that play and another where he had forever in the pocket and someone finally shook free in the end zone five yards away.  

 

Allen threw three freaking dimes to covered receivers from 20+ yards away.

[NewEra]

25 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   So, no credit to Jones, Phillips and Lawson for helping not only plug up the middle and keep the LBs clean and free but also get pressure up the middle.

    You take away those three and their play in the middle and Millers heroics are probably for naught as Mahomes/Houdini has other avenues of escape.

   This D as a whole is better than last year because of multiple upgrades on the line.

Typo- sorry-  meant to say of course it “wasn’t” only Von Miller.  It’s fixed now.

 

I’ve been banging the table for how valuable Daquon has been. He’s been the perfect fit at the 1tech and has been a plus pass rusher as well.  HUGE addition.  He much more so than Phillips and Lawson.  Both have been great additions, but I wouldn’t put their impact on the same level as Jones.  Just as I wouldn’t put Jones’ impact on the same level as Von.  Von is different.  

Edited October 18, 2022 by NewEra

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, Billz4ever said:

Jamming him at the line would be a good start instead of allowing him to freely release to quickly get downfield and find the holes in our zone.

 

They just don't line him up there though

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Boy said:

I know he did. Does the poster I’m replying to know this🤔

Not sure, but it should be common sense that Von isn't doing this himself.  Without the push up the middle, Von could easily be double teamed and essentially be taken out of the equation.

[Warcodered]

This seems more like the question you ask after a string of poor offensive performances following our game, can't say anyone has leaned anything if they haven't even done anything yet.

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   So, no credit to Jones, Phillips and Lawson for helping not only plug up the middle and keep the LBs clean and free but also get pressure up the middle.

    You take away those three and their play in the middle and Millers heroics are probably for naught as Mahomes/Houdini has other avenues of escape.

   This D as a whole is better than last year because of multiple upgrades on the line.

Absolutely-  but we would have lost that game without Von imo.

[BRH]

22 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Mahomes is still going to do his thing and the Chiefs are probably still a 12 win team minimum this year and destined to face the Bills yet again in January when it will be that more difficult to win against them again.

 

🙄

Edited October 18, 2022 by BRH

[TheWeatherMan]

1 hour ago, benderbender said:

Yes, but we also can't defend against a FG in less than 13 seconds so...

 

 

12 seconds