Did we just teach the NFL how to defend against KC?

[78thealltimegreat]

I can see your point but not everyone has the defensive personnel to do it.
I have no doubt Andy will adjust and throw some new wrinkles in there but there is a blueprint you need to get home with 3 or 4 if you blitz that team your whistling past the graveyard so to speak 

[MarkyMannn]

5 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

If only we could find a way to defend against Kelce. No idea why he is just consistently open every single time we play them. It is infuriating. 

Yeah but Kelce does that to everybody. That's why he's so great

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, MarkyMannn said:

Yeah but Kelce does that to everybody. That's why he's so great

Jamming him at the line would be a good start instead of allowing him to freely release to quickly get downfield and find the holes in our zone.

[BillsSbSoon]

8 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

If only we could find a way to defend against Kelce. No idea why he is just consistently open every single time we play them. It is infuriating. 

Everybody has that problem with him though it ain’t just us. Same for hill

[PrimeTime101]

17 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Didn't we kind of copy the Bengals 2nd Half defensive game plan of rushing 3 and dropping 8?  

 

I know they decided to do that out of necessity, as their pass rush couldn't get home, but it worked.   Not sure if they had a spy like what we did with Milano though.  

we did in the 4th quarter but that was based on score

[Big Turk]

14 minutes ago, muppy said:

BINGO. This was my first thought. Personnel indeed matters. There is no replicating at the drop of a hat a Von Miller type talent.  The level our defensive stars are playing at? Other teams WISH they could replicate us.

 

 

 

Hard to find another Milano or Poyer as well...teams might have one of these types of players, but rarely are they stacked with 4 or 5 of them on the field at the same time.

[PrimeTime101]

17 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yup-  sign Von Miller

lol!

14 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

‘So bear with me’, the new Hear me out. 🤦‍♂️
 

Yes, all a team needs is the best QB in the League, 2 incredible WRs and a ferocious pass rusher. Hell, Everyone's got those!

…

are you grumpy today? Lol! messing! 

 

I get your point. I am just basing this off a little history and it seems to be a fun conversation to have.

[nucci]

26 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

So bear with me on this one because there is history on us doing this.

 

2020 the second last week we played the Ravens, a team no one could really stop on the ground. that year in the playoffs the Titans even though they lost said they learned from Buffalo how to defend Baltimore. Baltimore really has not been the same since.

 

Now i get it. Mahomes will always be Mahomes. will be a top tier QB for a long time... 

 

BUT

 

Did we just teach defenses... good defenses around the league how to defend KC?

 

Does anyone remember the last time KC scored 20 or less points in a game?

 

to be continued.

 

Thoughts?

a bit but you need the players to pull it off and really good coaching

 

 

[Beck Water]

28 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

So bear with me on this one because there is history on us doing this.

 

2020 the second last week we played the Ravens, a team no one could really stop on the ground. that year in the playoffs the Titans even though they lost said they learned from Buffalo how to defend Baltimore. Baltimore really has not been the same since.

 

Now i get it. Mahomes will always be Mahomes. will be a top tier QB for a long time... 

 

BUT

 

Did we just teach defenses... good defenses around the league how to defend KC?

 

Does anyone remember the last time KC scored 20 or less points in a game?

 

Colts.  September 25.  They won.  Last year, Cowboys, Titans.  Bengals did a good job in the AFCCG although the Chiefs scored 24.

 

I don't think the fundamentals of how to slow down or stop KC are obscure.  I think the trick is having the quality of defensive players who can execute and maintain their intensity for 60 minutes.

 

I also think that while in theory, the Chiefs did the right thing to trade Hill and re-stock with quality FA receivers in JJSS and MVS - they are NOT 100% on the same page with Mahomes yet.

 

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by Beck Water

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Yes. Sign a HOF pass rusher with plenty left in the tank. Easy.

[Not at the table Karlos]

27 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Didn't we kind of copy the Bengals 2nd Half defensive game plan of rushing 3 and dropping 8?  

 

I know they decided to do that out of necessity, as their pass rush couldn't get home, but it worked.   Not sure if they had a spy like what we did with Milano though.  

IIRC a team used that Defense against him well before the Bengals did it. There was discussion after one of our losses to KC about why we didn't do it.  He struggled against a spy for some reason. 

Edited October 18, 2022 by Not at the table Karlos

[Boatdrinks]

10 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Jamming him at the line would be a good start instead of allowing him to freely release to quickly get downfield and find the holes in our zone.

Pretty sure the Bills  jammed him at the line and got flagged for it ( bad call but still )

[YoloinOhio]

 

[mrags]

19 minutes ago, mykidsdad said:

Watching the game Sunday I was telling my kids back in the day, I would get as excited about FIRST DOWNS from a Bill's Offense as I do for Touchdowns now. It was so rare back in the day and now it is like a given that every drive will have first downs. Do you all remember our 3 and out offenses of the past? We have come so far!!!

Run, run, pass, punt. It sucked 

[PatsFanNH]

33 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

So bear with me on this one because there is history on us doing this.

 

2020 the second last week we played the Ravens, a team no one could really stop on the ground. that year in the playoffs the Titans even though they lost said they learned from Buffalo how to defend Baltimore. Baltimore really has not been the same since.

 

Now i get it. Mahomes will always be Mahomes. will be a top tier QB for a long time... 

 

BUT

 

Did we just teach defenses... good defenses around the league how to defend KC?

 

Does anyone remember the last time KC scored 20 or less points in a game?

 

to be continued.

 

Thoughts?

By your logic, then KC Defense showed how to stop the Bills O.  Truth is that was a hell of a game and it felt like a playoff game, you won because you made fewer mistakes.. (like throwing an INT in the end zone) 

[PrimeTime101]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

as always Yol! thanks for the imput. I think this kind of answers the question. mix of a lot of things.

[Scott7975]

36 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

So bear with me on this one because there is history on us doing this.

 

2020 the second last week we played the Ravens, a team no one could really stop on the ground. that year in the playoffs the Titans even though they lost said they learned from Buffalo how to defend Baltimore. Baltimore really has not been the same since.

 

Now i get it. Mahomes will always be Mahomes. will be a top tier QB for a long time... 

 

BUT

 

Did we just teach defenses... good defenses around the league how to defend KC?

 

Does anyone remember the last time KC scored 20 or less points in a game?

 

to be continued.

 

Thoughts?

 

Im sure other teams learn from what we do.  I'm also sure that McD/Frazier look at things other teams do as well. 

 

The last time KC scored 20 or less points in a game was 3 weeks ago when they scored 17 against the Colts.

 

Everyone knows how to defend KC.  Just most people dont have the horses to do so.  We invested heavy assests in our front four as well as our back end for some sacrifice at our o line and perhaps even receiver.  Most teams dont do that.  Most teams dont have Josh Allen either 😃

[Billz4ever]

4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Pretty sure the Bills  jammed him at the line and got flagged for it ( bad call but still )

Only a couple times did they jam him.  Just like the 13 seconds drive and the 62 yd field goal drive, usually free release off the line.  No jam.  Makes no sense. Jamming messes up timing and doesn't allow him to get downfield and find holes in the zone as quickly.

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, Billz4ever said:

Only a couple times did they jam him.  Just like the 13 seconds drive and the 62 yd field goal drive, usually free release off the line.  No jam.  Makes no sense. Jamming messes up timing and doesn't allow him to get downfield and find holes in the zone as quickly.

If it was that easy, every team would be shutting down/ limiting Kielce. It’s just not. That’s why he’s a great TE. 

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, Scott7975 said:

 

Im sure other teams learn from what we do.  I'm also sure that McD/Frazier look at things other teams do as well. 

 

The last time KC scored 20 or less points in a game was 3 weeks ago when they scored 17 against the Colts.

 

Everyone knows how to defend KC.  Just most people dont have the horses to do so.  We invested heavy assests in our front four as well as our back end for some sacrifice at our o line and perhaps even receiver.  Most teams dont do that.  Most teams dont have Josh Allen either 😃

I think this was the point of my post. Did we make it harder for KC to win easier? maybe that should of been the question? but i agree 100%