Ken Dorsey is really really good

[Westside]

9 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

No different than Belichick, Saban temper tantrums

When you win in the NFL people look the other way when they throw temper tantrum’s. Belichek is known for his childish behavior, but he knows how to win so it gets ignored.

[ehfeuh57]

He Runs way too many times on 1st down

 

What is our 1st down Avg yards per carry rank. i'm guessing near the bottom of the league.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

9 hours ago, NoSaint said:

That meltdown clip wont help him either

 

not the end of the world but plays poorly in that regard 

 

 

Give me a real coaching meltdown any day over this…🥱

[GunnerBill]

24 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

Apparently you have not had a chance yet to watch "All or Nothing: Arsenal" yet. 😀

 

Mikel Arteta and Ken Dorsey (and many people in sports) have the same reaction after losses. Ken and Mikel both have the same passion. We (Arsenal and the Bills) are "top of the table," and I am very happy that Arsenal stuck with Mikel and the Bills chose Dorsey to be the OC.

 

I have not heard one player criticize the way Dorsey reacted. Instead, all of the players have been very positive and complimentary of his passion (particularly Josh).

 

Everyone who has ever been in a locker room has seen reactions like Dorsey's. Everyone. If an owner decides that Dorsey has the ability to be a HC, the video of him after the Dolphin game is not going to hurt him.  

 

I have and Mik never destroyed a dressing room. It isn't that Dorsey was angry or showed passion. It is that he lost control. Leadership is about control. And Mikel Arteta knows that better than anyone which is why when his control was threatened by a problem - Auba - he dealt with it swiftly. Leaders who lose control are not good leaders. If Dorsey had just thrown his headphones down and banged the desk, non issue. It was the complete loss of control that was the issue. 

[Peter]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

I have and Mik never destroyed a dressing room. It isn't that Dorsey was angry or showed passion. It is that he lost control. Leadership is about control. And Mikel Arteta knows that better than anyone which is why when his control was threatened by a problem - Auba - he dealt with it swiftly. Leaders who lose control are not good leaders. If Dorsey had just thrown his headphones down and banged the desk, non issue. It was the complete loss of control that was the issue. 

 

I disagree. I see no difference in the passion.

 

Mikel

 

Yes, more inanimate objects were on the receiving end of Dorsey's reaction . . . but, in my view, they both have the same passion, which typically is admired as demonstrated by everything players like Josh and Von said in response.

 

Once again, everyone who has been in a locker room has seen reactions like Dorsey's (and Mikel's). What Dorsey did will not hurt him one bit if an owner thinks that he has the skills to be a head coach. 

 

Throwing and smashing things has not hurt this guy's career:

 

 

 

 

Bill B and a Tablet

 

P.S. Not just Auba, he got rid of that diva Özil. Another example of addition by subtraction.

[eball]

Two words:  HALFTIME ADJUSTMENTS

 

This is the most dramatic difference I have noticed in this year's team -- both offensively and defensively -- as compared to the previous few seasons.

 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Peter said:

 

I disagree. I see no difference in the passion.

 

Mikel

 

Yes, more inanimate objects were on the receiving end of Dorsey's reaction . . . but, in my view, they both have the same passion, which typically is admired as demonstrated by everything players like Josh and Von said in response.

 

Once again, everyone who has been in a locker room has seen reactions like Dorsey's (and Mikel's). What Dorsey did will not hurt him one bit if an owner thinks that he has the skills to be a head coach. 

 

Throwing and smashing things has not hurt this guy's career:

 

 

 

 

Bill B and a Tablet

 

P.S. Not just Auba, he got rid of that diva Özil. Another example of addition by subtraction.

 

They are not the same. One action of frustration whether it is Mik slamming the kit bin or Belichick throwing an ipad is not the same. Arteta is totally in control through that team talk. He is angry, he is showing his frustration but he is on control. Dorsey lost control. That is a bad sign in a leader. 

 

And I have said before, I have coached. I have had a Dorsey moment. I understand where it comes from. But you can't let it happen. You have to be better than that. If it was a total one off then it is unlikely to be a single factor that stops him getting a job. But if you end up with two very evenly matched candidates then anyone who has been in a leadership position and understand the art of leadership will take it into account. 

Edited October 18, 2022 by GunnerBill

[PetermansRedemption]

11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

He has a long way to go before he’s a HC

 

his resume is small and he was fired as a QB coach in 18

 

he has josh Allen

 

and I do think he’s been really good but it’s wayyyy too quick to say he’s gonna be a HC soon

Has he ever had a cup of coffee with McVay though? That’s the true test. 

[Reed83HOF]

9 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

 

Oh, My.  Where did you find that?

 Carolina vs. Denver superbowl is when it happened. I have been waiting to post the gif at an appropriate time (which is hard to find now lol)

[Big Turk]

The way he is moving Diggs around and getting him favorable matchups is really nice to see...he is playing a lot more in the slot this year and running option routes against nickel CBs.

 

It's like he took Daboll's offense and refined it more and added his own ideas.  

 

We are in really good hands with him.  

 

Bills #1 in Yards Per Game by almost 30 yards over the 2nd place Lions and they have only played 5 games.  On pace to finish with the 7th highest yards per game in NFL history at almost 441.

[CincyBillsFan]

Dorsey has eliminated any concerns the departure of DaBold raised.  His game planning & play calling have been quite good. 

 

I also suspect that Joe Brady has contributed to this as well particularly in the passing game design.  The good news is that after Dorsey leaves to take a head coaching job Brady will step in as OC.

 

 

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, StHustle said:

I was talking specifically as an offensive coordinator…Daboll could very well end up being a much better head coach but not as good as an offensive coordinator. 

 

So Daboll's first year, a number of his play designs seemed really really weird to me.  I called him the Vizzinni of OCs.  Maybe it was because his OL was so horridly deficient and he was trying his best, maybe it was Juan Castillo.  But he'd have these plays where OK it's a misdirection to the R covering up for an outside run to the L but then it really turns out to be a bubble screen to the R.  It was like he expected the defense to be frozen in place thinking.  I literally spent HOURS watching all-22 and interrogating patient people who know more about football: "what is he trying to do here?  what is this play supposed to look like if it works?"  The most awkward overly cute plays did disappear as the season went on, and the next season plays were much better designed (perhaps Bobby Johnson had a hand), but I never felt that the run and pass game worked together. 

 

From the start with Dorsey, I don't see that.  He seems to understand how defensive players think and how to ***** with them, probably because he had the chance to do so himself.  Everything seems well-crafted to work together.  The problems with the run game seem purely technique failures - one player is supposed to pass a guy off and block the guy to his L or R according to zone rules and he Just Can't Do It, or a WR is supposed to block and he Just Doesn't, not even get in the way.  But the play itself seems well designed and are used to set up the passing game, even when they don't work.  I don't know the names, but I can see what they're trying to do, and see why the play didn't work if it squibbed.

 

His major growth need seems to be finding the plays that WILL get a guy open down on the goal line, and also being too cute on 4th and 1 (which may be a QB-C exchange concern in part).  But I have high confidence he'll figure it out, and the QB sneak plays with Davis shoving Allen vs KC were a ++ sign.

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by Beck Water

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

 Carolina vs. Denver superbowl is when it happened. I have been waiting to post the gif at an appropriate time (which is hard to find now lol)

 

LOL that game was purgatory for the Carolina DC, I can totally see that.  Bet it happened on the final series, after Cam Newton had a strip sack (by Von Miller) on the 25 and gave Denver the ball at the Carolina 4 yd line.

 

So McDermott was speaking from the heart when he told the media that he understands the competitiveness and the passion and how much the coach cares, but as a leader, you have to learn to keep your composure and set an example.  I bet that's exactly what Rivera told him.

 

2 hours ago, eball said:

Two words:  HALFTIME ADJUSTMENTS

 

This is the most dramatic difference I have noticed in this year's team -- both offensively and defensively -- as compared to the previous few seasons.

 

 

I agree, and it's been the difference in the 3rd Q.

Edited October 18, 2022 by Beck Water

[HoofHearted]

12 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

Outside of that stupid option call early in the game it was a very well called game for the most part. Dorsey has stepped up well in the absence of Daboll. 

This is what bugs me about fans. If it had scored a touchdown I assume everyone would be raving about what a great call it was.

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

8 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

We actually had a QB sneak sighting last game! I was so proud.

And it worked!

Gabe Davis had to use Josh as a battering ram, but it got the job done

[BillsShredder83]

13 hours ago, NoSaint said:

That meltdown clip wont help him either

 

not the end of the world but plays poorly in that regard 

 

 

"Boy Hackett has russ Wilson and can't score. We were going to offer a job to that Dorsey guy but how would we handle the media ****storm, off a guy who crumpled a paper. 

Sure we've handled gun charges with stars like Dumervil and Talib, but this is too much"

[Bills2022]

14 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

He has a long way to go before he’s a HC

 

his resume is small and he was fired as a QB coach in 18

 

he has josh Allen

 

and I do think he’s been really good but it’s wayyyy too quick to say he’s gonna be a HC soon

 

He will be a head coach next year, especially if we win the Super Bowl.  That is the way the league works.  My guess is he will be heading to Carolina, but I would not count out Denver.  

 

[Sharky7337]

He has done a good job at times but he definitely missed a huge opportunity to adjust on the chiefs. After the first half they were selling out hard to stop the run. 

 

He called obvious runs still snd ran into it as opposed to going play action out of the gate and catching them off guard.

Edited October 18, 2022 by Sharky7337

[Peter]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They are not the same. One action of frustration whether it is Mik slamming the kit bin or Belichick throwing an ipad is not the same. Arteta is totally in control through that team talk. He is angry, he is showing his frustration but he is on control. Dorsey lost control. That is a bad sign in a leader. 

 

And I have said before, I have coached. I have had a Dorsey moment. I understand where it comes from. But you can't let it happen. You have to be better than that. If it was a total one off then it is unlikely to be a single factor that stops him getting a job. But if you end up with two very evenly matched candidates then anyone who has been in a leadership position and understand the art of leadership will take it into account. 

 

I disagree. It is not going to hurt Dorsey one bit (presuming he checks all of the other boxes for an owner). Indeed, that viral video may even help him.  Just my two cents.

 

COYG!!!

Go Bills!!!

[NoSaint]

8 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

"Boy Hackett has russ Wilson and can't score. We were going to offer a job to that Dorsey guy but how would we handle the media ****storm, off a guy who crumpled a paper. 

Sure we've handled gun charges with stars like Dumervil and Talib, but this is too much"

 

“we fired our coach and have 5 to 10 guys that we really like…. That guy in Buffalo had a heck of a year… but he does have Josh Allen and all I know of his personality is he kind of lost his mind that one time.” 
 

would be absolutely crazy for an owner or GM to decide another year or two as OC could serve him well. I know, I know, insane that someone might possibly hold it as a strike against a really aggressive declaration of making the guy a HC after 1 year as OC