Titans/City Agree on New DOMED Stadium

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Disagree.  Considering what the Pegula's were able to talk the State into kicking in, they could've made it happen.  Would've made the Pegula's open their wallet and pay more, but funding really isn't the issue. It's the desire to do it.

Wait, so now you're suggesting we need to play outside so we have some imaginary advantage in order to win?  LMAO

 

I think we're still waiting for you to name the games we won specifically because we played outside in bad weather and it gave us the advantage.

Dude we can argue till we are blue in the face … nobody is going to run down our throat in the playoffs

 

it’s gonna come down to the arm and the QB… and very few QBs can come here in January and play well … we have 40 years of history to back that

 

NE isn’t running for 265 in a playoff game and they won’t be able to throw … neither can Lamar and lots of QBs

 

Josh can throw and run at an elite level … NO TEAM wants to come here in January 

 

 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, DallasBillsFan1 said:

Wrong, it's money.  You need to spend a lot more for the infrastructure, hotels, parking, roadwork, etc .....  I love Buffalo but it is not a destination people are drawn to.  Nashville is.  The Pegula's and/or New York (taxpayers) don't have the $$ to spend what is needed to make a Dome possible.

 Disagree. Just between the state and the county, they are kicking in $850M.  If the goal going in was to build a dome, that would've been higher.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Dude we can argue till we are blue in the face … nobody is going to run down our throat in the playoffs

 

it’s gonna come down to the arm and the QB… and very few QBs can come here in January and play well … we have 40 years of history to back that

 

NE isn’t running for 265 in a playoff game and they won’t be able to throw … neither can Lamar and lots of QBs

 

 

 

 

You don't even realize what you're doing, but I find it pretty insulting to the HOFers and other players we've had come through here to suggest we need to the weather to be able to win, making it sound like we didn't have the talent on our teams to do it otherwise.  Pretty sad actually.

[Rochesterfan]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

@Rochesterfanidk how you can disagree to the bills NOT WANTING A multi use facility WHEN THEY SAID THEMSELVES they only want to build a football stadium

 

They don’t want to spend money and out price the area.  If given full funding a multi-use dome downtown would have been the first and most logical choice.

 

The rest of it is just garbage - more and more sites are going to fabulous covered stadiums that are gorgeous and can do lots of things.

 

The DNA is old school thinking from the 50-70s when the majority of players were from the North East - now it is seen mostly as a negative by players across the league.

 

The fact that the Bills were looking to be ahead of the curve years ago and build a domed arena rather than Highmark stadium and the final plans got scuttled very late shows at one time teams thought ahead.  
 

Now the area is skimping and calling it Buffalo culture when we know darn well the only thought process was money.

 

7 of the last 9 built stadiums have been covered and the Jets/Giants open air got to host 1 SB and the weather will stop it from happening again.  If they had built a covered stadium - NYC would be in the regular rotation.  
 

It is and was short sighted, but you be you and think the DNA will drive the team - when even this year the Bills were offering discounted division game tickets for the end of the year because they were still having trouble selling out the cold weather games.

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

 Disagree. Just between the state and the county, they are kicking in $850M.  If the goal going in was to build a dome, that would've been higher.

 

 

 

 

You don't even realize what you're doing, but I find it pretty insulting to the HOFers and other players we've had come through here to suggest we need to the weather to be able to win, making it sound like we didn't have the talent on our teams to do it otherwise.  Pretty sad actually.

You don’t even know what I’m saying … I never said WE NEED IT… other teams hate it…

 

you want other teams to be as uncomfortable as possible… we practice outside in the winter at points  … we are semi prepared 

most others aren’t 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Boatdrinks]

45 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

And no dome ensures Buffalo will never host a Super Bowl.

Would never happen even with a dome … not enough hotel space for starters. 

[Billz4ever]

12 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

They don’t want to spend money and out price the area.  If given full funding a multi-use dome downtown would have been the first and most logical choice.

 

The rest of it is just garbage - more and more sites are going to fabulous covered stadiums that are gorgeous and can do lots of things.

 

The DNA is old school thinking from the 50-70s when the majority of players were from the North East - now it is seen mostly as a negative by players across the league.

 

The fact that the Bills were looking to be ahead of the curve years ago and build a domed arena rather than Highmark stadium and the final plans got scuttled very late shows at one time teams thought ahead.  
 

Now the area is skimping and calling it Buffalo culture when we know darn well the only thought process was money.

 

7 of the last 9 built stadiums have been covered and the Jets/Giants open air got to host 1 SB and the weather will stop it from happening again.  If they had built a covered stadium - NYC would be in the regular rotation.  
 

It is and was short sighted, but you be you and think the DNA will drive the team - when even this year the Bills were offering discounted division game tickets for the end of the year because they were still having trouble selling out the cold weather games.

 

 

 

 

There's always those resistant to change and this is just another example.  Nevermind what it would do for the community.

 

It's always the nostalgia and letting go of something that actually works against our team in reality, but heaven forbid we decide that we don't need to freeze our butts off to watch a football game any longer.

8 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Would never happen even with a dome … not enough hotel space for starters. 

And not having the dome will ensure that more hotels aren't built.

 

You have to start somewhere, fella.

11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You don’t even know what I’m saying … I never said WE NEED IT… other teams hate it…

 

you want other teams to be as uncomfortable as possible… we practice outside in the winter … we are semi prepared 

most others aren’t 

I don't think you even know what you're saying because what you just said above is saying it gives us an advantage (which it really doesn't). Hating the weather doesn't mean you can't play in it.  112 degrees in the sun on our sideline in Miami is an actual advantage.  Hating the weather in Buffalo is not.

 

If it's giving us an advantage that you say we need to keep, you're saying we need it to win.  If you're saying we don't need it to win, then you should have no objection to a dome. It's pretty simple logic here.

Edited October 17, 2022 by Billz4ever

[Mango]

But do they drawings? 
 

 

[BontitaBills]

When will we see renderings of the proposed Titans stadium?  Any day now?

[Rochesterfan]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Would never happen even with a dome … not enough hotel space for starters. 

 

Actually it is not true - it was discussed and the mileage allowed (100 miles) that is included in the required area includes NF, Toronto, and Rochester.  There was discussion that if a domed was built and the Bills put that as a requirement- the NFL would have looked at it.

 

They allowed Jacksonville to bring in cruise ships to meet the requirement.

 

Now the reality is - a SB in Buffalo would suck for the destination fans and the media, but if they had gone dome and used that as leverage - I think they could of forced something.

 

It would also have helped with bringing the draft here as a large enclosed site after the fiasco that was Cleveland, but again that is not a reason - just a potential result if they decided to go that way.  
 

Now we don’t have to worry - we could be forced to go on the road and play in someone’s else’s home stadium like has happened the last 2 years.

 

 

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

There's always those resistant to change and this is just another example.  Nevermind what it would do for the community.

 

It's always the nostalgia and letting go of something that actually works against our team in reality, but heaven forbid we decide that we don't need to freeze our butts off to watch a football game any longer.

And not having the dome will ensure that more hotels aren't built.

 

You have to start somewhere, fella.

I don't think you even know what you're saying because what you just said above is saying it gives us an advantage (which it really doesn't). Hating the weather doesn't mean you can't play in it.  112 degrees in the sun on our sidelines is an advantage.  Hating the weather in Buffalo is not.

 

If it's giving us an advantage, you're saying we need it to win.  If you're saying we don't need it to win, then you should have no objection to a dome. It's pretty simple logic here.

Having an advantage doesn’t mean you NEED it to win … it means having an edge 

 

Why are the Bills 12-1 at home at the Ralph in the playoffs? It’s clearly not hurting 

 

if they were 5-8 your point is more valid 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Billz4ever]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Having an advantage doesn’t mean you NEED it to win … it means having an edge 

 

Why are the Bills 12-1 at home at the Ralph in the playoffs? It’s clearly not hurting 

You have no proof that it helped either.

 

And FYI, you once again suggested it was the weather in Buffalo, not the talent of those team that was the reason we won. Insulting.

 

We had players having to seek medical attention in Miami from the heat and had to come out of the game.

 

Where have you ever seen the visiting team falling out because it was too cold or some other nonsense you are suggesting the imaginary weather advantage gives us here?

Edited October 17, 2022 by Billz4ever

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Billz4ever said:

And no dome ensures Buffalo will never host a Super Bowl.

That would never happen anyway. Too cold, too much snow, not enough hotel space, too small an airport, etc. A domed stadium wouldn't get Buffalo close to consideration for a Super Bowl.

[Billz4ever]

8 minutes ago, MJS said:

That would never happen anyway. Too cold, too much snow, not enough hotel space, too small an airport, etc. A domed stadium wouldn't get Buffalo close to consideration for a Super Bowl.

Too cold?  Come again?  You do understand that's the purpose of an enclosed stadium, correct?

 

Super Bowl LII between the Eagles and Pats was literally in Minneapolis @U.S. Bank Stadium, my guy.

 

And you understand that having a venue where more events could be held in the cold season would lead to more hotels being built.

 

It sounds like you're trying to find excuses simply to not have one rather than giving real, valid reasons.

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by Billz4ever

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

I haven't read any of the replies on this but I'm wondering if when the Bills new stadium is built if maybe that would be a domed stadium too?

[John from Riverside]

Was a retractable dome ever a consideration

[mrags]

I think the worst part about this…. Is they will get Renderings before we do 

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

I haven't read any of the replies on this but I'm wondering if when the Bills new stadium is built if maybe that would be a domed stadium too?

No, it's an open air stadium. There will be some protection from the elements with overhangs, but not like a dome or retractable roof.

[BigDingus]

3 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34816198/titans-nashville-reach-deal-domed-22b-stadium

 

Cost: 2.2 Billion

 

I really wish we were getting a domed stadium instead of an open stadium

Remember Bills new stadium will cost 1.4 Billion - All Tax payer funded in comparison

 

Just think of the extra money they'd have saved if they didn't keep putting band-aids on the Ralph & actually invested in a new stadium when it was semi-affordable.

 

Vikings: US Bank Stadium - $1.23 Billion (2021 dollars)

Colts: Lucas Oil Stadium - $907.6 million 

Cardinals: State Farm Stadium - $612.3 million 

Cowboys: AT&T Stadium - $1.64 Billion 

Texans: NRG Stadium - $530.2 million 

Falcons: Mercedes-Benz Stadium - $1.69 Billion

 

I'd say the sweet spot would've been around the last renovations deal, investing in a stadium like the Vikings' US Bank Stadium. It broke ground around the same time, and even with inflation cost just over $1.2 billion. Even with higher costs in NY compared to Minnesota, factor in all the costs spent on renovations & you're probably still coming out ahead.

 

Oh well, coulda-woulda-shoulda!

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Was a retractable dome ever a consideration

This time?  No, I don't believe so.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Billz4ever said:

And no dome ensures Buffalo will never host a Super Bowl.

 

We were never going to host a Super Bowl even with a dome. Not enough hotel rooms. Not even close to the amount needed.