Sideline TEMPERATURE Dolphins v Vikings

[3rdand12]

35 minutes ago, Dopey said:

All of a sudden, Bills fans worry about this. This is NOT new. No one here brought up safety in the past.
 

When did the Dolphins build the extra bit on the stadium that shield the Home side from the sun ?

The Bills game was the 1st i was made aware of it.
 And I also was not aware of how extreme that heat was .

So my opinion has changed. Player safety matters !

I try sincerely to be unbiased about that opinion

[Peter]

42 minutes ago, Dopey said:

All of a sudden, Bills fans worry about this. This is NOT new. No one here brought up safety in the past.
 

 

I live down here in Miami and think about this every year. 

 

It is a life safety issue more than anything else.

 

As I wrote in a post up thread, I am a Miami Hurricane season ticket holder* and had the opportunity to choose between seats in the lower bowl on the 50 yard line on the sunny/visitor's side or seats in the lower bowl on the 30 yard line on the shady/home side.

 

I chose the shady side because it is miserable being on the sunny side in September even in shorts and a t-shirt.

 

*The Hurricanes and the Dolphins play in the same stadium.

Edited October 18, 2022 by Peter

[DieHardBillsFan]

5 hours ago, Bandito said:

HA! And the Vikings won despite this. @Augie

Bills have only themselves to blame for losing in Miami

 

5 hours ago, Dopey said:

 

What a huge win at home for the dolphins in the extreme heat vs a cold weather team!

Oh wait, the Vikings won!?!? Bills fans say it ain’t so. 

 

5 hours ago, Bandito said:

Everyone was on here clamoring about this exact thing when the Bills lost in Miami. The Vikings faced practically the same temperature circumstance and won. Don't make excuses. Life isn't fair. @Warcodered

Dolphins are playing like the worst team in football since they lost Tua. Vikings beat a bad team, but they shouldn't have to play in those conditions. The advantage is also completely unfair. Home field advantage is supposed to be about fans and maybe field knowledge but both teams should be playing in equal conditions.

[gflande1]

5 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Disable their heaters on sideline and in locker room and disable hot water in showers.  See how they like it 

Also install a sprinkler system on their sideline and forget to change the timer.

[AlfaBill]

There are a lot of posters who being SUPER trolled by a dopey and a bandito. 

[Eastport bills]

The NFL is waiting for someone  to sadly, die from heatstroke, before they wake up and do something about this home field advantage Miami creates by putting athletes liives at risk. Very desperate operation.

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

All of a sudden, Bills fans worry about this. This is NOT new. No one here brought up safety in the past.
 

 

Never knew the away team was prevented from putting up shade by the Fins. It's actually a significant labor law violation not to provide extreme cooling remedies in working temps over 115. It was over 120 in both the Bills and Vikings game... 

 

 

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

It’s pretty new. I put a link in earlier, but there was like a $500 mil renovation that ended in 2016. THAT added the shade for the home bench. Early in the season it is a farce to say “we didn’t use tents, so you can’t either”.  Look at the before and after, and tell me that is fair. 

Home field advantage isn’t supposed to be fair. 

[NoSaint]

36 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Never knew the away team was prevented from putting up shade by the Fins. It's actually a significant labor law violation not to provide extreme cooling remedies in working temps over 115. It was over 120 in both the Bills and Vikings game... 

 

 

for some reason folks forget this is a situation with employees at work. Conditions don’t have to be equal or ideal for all but there are still general safety considerations

 

 

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, Peter said:

 

I live down here in Miami and think about this every year. 

 

It is a life safety issue more than anything else.

 

As I wrote in a post up thread, I am a Miami Hurricane season ticket holder* and had the opportunity to choose between seats in the lower bowl on the 50 yard line on the sunny/visitor's side or seats in the lower bowl on the 30 yard line on the shady/home side.

 

I chose the shady side because it is miserable being on the sunny side in September even in shorts and a t-shirt.

 

*The Hurricanes and the Dolphins play in the same stadium.

I deal with it in Tallahassee at FSU games. Alumni side has shade for most of the game. It’s also the home side. You MIGHT be one of the very few, and I mean very few, to think about before we lost there. The rest are crying about a loss to a team they thought we would beat soundly. 
I was in boot camp at Ft. Jackson SC in 89 and it was their hottest year on record to date. We made it with water breaks. Drill sergeant still kicked our ass. No one died. 

Also, a friends brother moved from Miami to Tallahassee for school and his first time playing basketball with us he was amazed how hit it was compared to Miami. He was 18 and couldn’t hang with us 40 something year olds. Took him a couple of months. Never heard him cry about fairness. 

[scuba guy]

1 hour ago, DieHardBillsFan said:

 

 

Dolphins are playing like the worst team in football since they lost Tua. Vikings beat a bad team, but they shouldn't have to play in those conditions. The advantage is also completely unfair. Home field advantage is supposed to be about fans and maybe field knowledge but both teams should be playing in equal conditions.

So here is an idea form someone that knows a little about nothing.

 

All September and oct games scheduled in Miami from know on have to be in the 430pm time spot when the sun will go down earlier 🙃 and the temperature is a little less well let's say warm.

 

So 2 thoughts 

 

Western ny high Temps are usually after 3pm

 

I have a place in fla so south Florida Temps are hot around noon and get really hot around 2.

 

Know if you go onto a website it will show you sun angles (which the designer took into consideration when building) and sun light intensity. It will show hottest times and Temps for said Sept and Oct games.

 

Know it is a simple solution but will the nfl do it.

[Peter]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

I deal with it in Tallahassee at FSU games. Alumni side has shade for most of the game. It’s also the home side. You MIGHT be one of the very few, and I mean very few, to think about before we lost there. The rest are crying about a loss to a team they thought we would beat soundly. 
I was in boot camp at Ft. Jackson SC in 89 and it was their hottest year on record to date. We made it with water breaks. Drill sergeant still kicked our ass. No one died. 

Also, a friends brother moved from Miami to Tallahassee for school and his first time playing basketball with us he was amazed how hit it was compared to Miami. He was 18 and couldn’t hang with us 40 something year olds. Took him a couple of months. Never heard him cry about fairness. 

 

My main concern over the years has been about player safety for those games. Although I think we lost that game primarily for other reasons, the disproportionate heat certainly did not help.

 

Nevertheless, as I mentioned somewhere else, players from both teams were having issues. See article linked below. Even our guys from South Florida were having issues and, if I understand correct, players had to get IVs during the game and at halftime.

 

I cannot imagine being a 300 pound lineman playing in that heat (whether one plays for the visiting team or the Dolphins).

 

As you may recall, Korey Stringer died after a practice in Minnesota several years ago. I just read that the heat index at his last practice was 99° when practice ended. If I recall correctly, the heat index was well above 99° when the Bills played here in September.

 

Sadly, it is to be expected that players may suffer heat stroke while playing in games at the Hard Rock where the heat index often exceeds 99°. It also is not beyond the realm of possibility that something worse could happen to players in an early afternoon game in September.

 

I would not be surprised if the NFLPA looks into this at some point. 

 

Heat taking its toll in Bills-Dolphins game

 

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by Peter

[ArtVandalay]

Holy christ are people still crying about this?

 

Give it up, this is embarassing, we've lost only like 3 of our last 12 vs Miami. 

[Peter]

11 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Holy christ are people still crying about this?

 

Give it up, this is embarassing, we've lost only like 3 of our last 12 vs Miami. 

 

Speaking for myself, this has little to do with the loss and everything to do with player safety - Dolphins, Bills, or any visiting team's players.

[Blazman11]

I moved to Melbourne, FL (3 hours north of Miami)  6 years ago after living in Buffalo/Roch for 40 years.  The weather is an exact inverse here vs Buffalo.  Someone said it earlier in the thread and nailed it.....not all hot days are created equal.  There are about a half dozen days in the summer or early fall where it's just too darn hot to go out.  Same with Buffalo winters where there's a few days where it's just too cold.  I've snowblowed the driveway in shorts and a hoodie when it was mid 30's and the sun was out.  But mid 30's with snow and wind blowing is a whole different story.  

 

The sun is orders of magnitude more intense in Florida.  I never wore shades in NY and now I've got about 10 pairs.  Some days the humidity is so thick it makes breathing more difficult.  I cut the grass after that Bills game and took a break half way through just to sit in the shade a bit.  It wasn't the hottest day of the summer but it was close to one of those half dozen miserable days where you get the perfect trifecta of heat, humidity and sun intensity.

 

I could care less that the Bills lost.  I mean I always want them to win - especially vs the anti christ - but it's not like I win any prize when the Bills win.  When a pro athlete like Diggs needs to double fist IV's so they don't die - that's a problem.  

[SoMAn]

12 hours ago, Logic said:

I'm all for natural weather advantages, but the Dolphins stuff is getting to be over the top.

It is legitimately unsafe for athletes playing as hard as NFL players do to be sitting in 120-130 degree heat with full pads on.

At some point, someone's gonna die or have a serious medical episode due to the heat. It's beyond a fun little weather advantage at this point. It's dangerous.

Agree.
It’s ironic how the NFL bends over backwards addressing helmet to helmet, hits to the knees, and generally protecting the players from injury and other health issues, but ignores the seriousness of heat- related health that has the potential to cause permanent organ damage and even death. 
Sadly, a 300 lb player dying on the field, suffering brain damage or having kidney failure will be what it takes before the NFL does something to make it safer. 
It’s insane that players on the visiting side can’t use the cooling misting devices if the Dolphins elect not to. That’s just wrong. 
I’m curious whether someone from the Bills or other teams has begun a dialogue with the NFL to address these concerns. 

[Doc Brown]

12 hours ago, Bandito said:

Everyone was on here clamoring about this exact thing when the Bills lost in Miami. The Vikings faced practically the same temperature circumstance and won. Don't make excuses. Life isn't fair. @Warcodered

The Vikings got lucky as the Dolphins are the superior team.  The Vikings are the biggest frauds in the NFL.  Miami should've won the game but made stupid mistakes all game (kind of like we did).  It will all even out in the end though.

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by Doc Brown

[RoyBatty is alive]

15 hours ago, Dopey said:

I live in Florida, I know about that. Here in Tallahassee, FSU has the same advantage. It happens in more stadiums than you know. 
Someone here mentioned the Vikings at least had an overcast day. Excuses, I say. 
I ain’t changing my mind. Seen it for 20 + years. Teams just need to deal with the heat, like Nov, Dec games in buffalo teams have to deal with freezing temps w wet heavy snow. 

 

Whether it has been going on for 2 or 20 years is a moot point, and if FSU does it is also irrelevant, it is fundamentally unfair and it is dangerous.

 

Your analogy of teams having to deal with snow and cold temps fails miserably.  Both teams have to deal with snow and cold, it is not as if one side is 30 degrees colder than the other.  As I stated before, start the games at 4pm or night, simple solution.

 

Look at the fall out from Tuas concussion.  Do we really have to go have a player die of heat exhaustion for people like you to get the message.

 

Good for you,  dont change your mind.

[Meatloaf63]

19 hours ago, Bandito said:

 

But the Vikings won a 1pm game in Miami with it being extremely hot. Why did they not have issue with it, but the Bills did?

 

That is the point. No way the NFL steps in to change this as it has proven to not be the home field advantage you all claim it to be. 

How many times do you have to be told it wasn’t the same? A cloudy day is different than full sun, small changes in humidity levels make a huge difference, it doesn’t take much intelligence to understand that, but it’s something you obviously appear to not possess.