Situational Football (Preventing teams from scoring w seconds left)

[bobobonators]

Id like to have a general convo about what happened yesterday to end the first half. 
 

Yesterday we squib kicked it which I was okay with although it still gave them decent field position.

1. Do we think this is the right approach in that situation? Or

2. Do we think it would be better for Bass to kick it as high up as he can so the ball stays inbounds but ends up inside the 20?

 

On the defensive side. I hate when we kind of go in prevent mode to try and limit the big play. Time and time again we see how we can give up 15-20yd plays in a few seconds.

1. Should we try bringing more pressure in these situations or bringing the secondary closer to the LOS so we aren’t giving them such a cushion underneath? Or

2. Did we do everything right on the defensive side? 
 

I was bothered that we were able to give up 3points again in such a short amount of time. Imagine if that had been the 4th quarter and thats how we lose? We need to have a better approach in these situations.
 

Kudos to buttlicker for making that 60+yd FG but again 3 points in 16 seconds. I think the main issue may have been they only had to go 28yds so perhaps the answer is on kickoff. We need to pin them back further and then on defense we can’t just give them a cushion or be conservative. We still need to attack. Im not quite sure. 
 

Thoughts?

[Madbillsfan]

1. Only if it works. 
2.  Clock doesn’t start until the ball is touched. 

[Big Turk]

I'm not sure what else you can do...KC may just be that good.

[BillsFanSD]

Just now, Big Turk said:

I'm not sure what else you can do...KC may just be that good.

This.  

 

About 28 other teams would have just taken a knee there and gone to halftime.  A few other teams might run one play just to see what happens and take it from there.  KC is probably the only team in the league (besides us) that can realistically hope to make something good happen in that situation.  We just needed a defender to make a play, and nobody did.

[The Jokeman]

Just now, bobobonators said:

Id like to have a general convo about what happened yesterday to end the first half. 
 

Yesterday we squib kicked it which I was okay with although it still gave them decent field position.

1. Do we think this is the right approach in that situation? Or

2. Do we think it would be better for Bass to kick it as high up as he can so the ball stays inbounds but ends up inside the 20?

 

On the defensive side. I hate when we kind of go in prevent mode to try and limit the big play. Time and time again we see how we can give up 15-20yd plays in a few seconds.

1. Should we try bringing more pressure in these situations or bringing the secondary closer to the LOS so we aren’t giving them such a cushion underneath? Or

2. Did we do everything right on the defensive side? 
 

I was bothered that we were able to give up 3points again in such a short amount of time. Imagine if that had been the 4th quarter and thats how we lose? We need to have a better approach in these situations.
 

Kudos to buttlicker for making that 60+yd FG but again 3 points in 16 seconds. I think the main issue may have been they only had to go 28yds so perhaps the answer is on kickoff. We need to pin them back further and then on defense we can’t just give them a cushion or be conservative. We still need to attack. Im not quite sure. 
 

Thoughts?

First off the kicker hit a 62 yard field goal, I'd venture to say most of the time that's not going to happen. 

 

In terms of the squib kick, I think it was the right call. The missed tackle of McKinnon in bounds was a major blunder by the players not the coaching staff. The pass play to Kelce just kills me as one would think we would do everything to stop him from getting it but alas he did. I was upset in the moment since all the joy/momentum we gained for getting the Gabe Davis seemed lost but in retrospect we did stop them but their kicker made a great kick. 

 

 

[bobobonators]

Just now, Big Turk said:

I'm not sure what else you can do...KC may just be that good.

Right. Perhaps there is nothing we can do. I mean the squib kick is what we all wanted last year. We got it this time but they were still able to advance it and ended w decent field position. 
 

Maybe they are that good that anything more than 10 sec on the clock they might be able to score. 

 

I have few complaints from yesterday’s game but seeing them hit that FG was certainly too much dejavu for my liking and really deflating. So proud of this team for overcoming that. 
 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

I might barely even rush - 2 or 3 safeties deep and man coverage underneath.  Have 1 guy spy and 2 guys rush.  

[BuffaloBill]

Keep in mind the clock does not start until a member of the receiving team touches the ball. Therefore, hypothetically if an opposing player simply and cleanly falls on the ball and in the process “gives himself up” no time  might come off the clock. 
 

I guess the hope on a squib is a player touches the ball but does not cleanly field it. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

First off the kicker hit a 62 yard field goal, I'd venture to say most of the time that's not going to happen. 

 

In terms of the squib kick, I think it was the right call. The missed tackle of McKinnon in bounds was a major blunder by the players not the coaching staff. The pass play to Kelce just kills me as one would think we would do everything to stop him from getting it but alas he did. I was upset in the moment since all the joy/momentum we gained for getting the Gabe Davis seemed lost but in retrospect we did stop them but their kicker made a great kick. 

 

 

 

Yeah, they scheme kelce open quite a bit.  They sort of drive someone underneath to force the inner zone guy to cover and kelce basically finds hte soft spot between the linebacker and DB.  Straying into man is where he can really gash you with YAC.  

[HoofHearted]

Bad angle by Taron on the first play to McKinnon. Should have been tackled at the 37ish with about 7 seconds left.

Edited October 17, 2022 by HoofHearted

[bobobonators]

Just now, BuffaloBill said:

Keep in mind the clock does not start until a member of the receiving team touches the ball. Therefore, hypothetically if an opposing player simply and cleanly falls on the ball and in the process “gives himself up” no time  might come off the clock. 
 

I guess the hope on a squib is a player touches the ball but does not cleanly field it. 

Good point. My only consideration for Bass trying to attempt one of those high kicks he normally does to give the ST time to get down there is field position. It could very well pin them back inside the 20 or 15. But you’re right they may fair catch it and you lose trying to shave seconds off the clock. 
 

i suppose the squib kick was the right thing to do. Again I was happy w that choice yesteday. But then we failed to follow through on defense. 
 

Do we double team Kelce everytime next time? 
Should we blitz Mahomes and force him to make a play?

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Yeah, they scheme kelce open quite a bit.  They sort of drive someone underneath to force the inner zone guy to cover and kelce basically finds hte soft spot between the linebacker and DB.  Straying into man is where he can really gash you with YAC.  

I don't mind scheming Kelce open as referred to in another thread of letting a star get his but stop everyone else. Yet in a critical time we should change things up or maybe chip at him to avoid him getting a catch as I'll take 5 yard penalties all day in instances like that which also eat up clock. 

[ChevyVanMiller]

I think the kick-off should be high and down to about the five. The Bills have a great special teams coverage unit and would probably make the tackle inside the 20-yard line while taking seven or eight seconds off of the clock.

 

Also, on the second play from scrimmage they should simply have tackled all of the wide receivers at the line of scrimmage. The result would be a 5-yard penalty while taking enough time off the clock that the Chiefs would’ve had no opportunity for the field goal.

[HoofHearted]

6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

First off the kicker hit a 62 yard field goal, I'd venture to say most of the time that's not going to happen. 

 

In terms of the squib kick, I think it was the right call. The missed tackle of McKinnon in bounds was a major blunder by the players not the coaching staff. The pass play to Kelce just kills me as one would think we would do everything to stop him from getting it but alas he did. I was upset in the moment since all the joy/momentum we gained for getting the Gabe Davis seemed lost but in retrospect we did stop them but their kicker made a great kick. 

 

 

Credit KC for a good scheme against our man coverage knowing we'd have to bump defenders with their motion to allow the hot to be thrown to Kelce.

[bobobonators]

5 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

I might barely even rush - 2 or 3 safeties deep and man coverage underneath.  Have 1 guy spy and 2 guys rush.  

That might be a decent idea. The coverage alone would probably force Mahomes to hang on to the ball killing a lot of time. 

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Yeah, they scheme kelce open quite a bit.  They sort of drive someone underneath to force the inner zone guy to cover and kelce basically finds hte soft spot between the linebacker and DB.  Straying into man is where he can really gash you with YAC.  

 

It looks like they run pick plays a lot with him where it's really really close to whether the player running into the DBs is trying to run a route or trying to pick them but they get away with it mostly.

[RocCityRoller]

14 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

I'm not sure what else you can do...KC may just be that good.

 

Agree, there are not many teams/QB historically who can pick up 40-50 yards and manage the clock with 0:30 or less left and get a FG try off. KC/Mahomes is one of them.

 

Add to that the K nailed a 62 yarder. How many kickers can do that??? I'll surrender enough yards to force a 60+ FG try every time if it prevents a TD on a big play.

Edited October 17, 2022 by RocCityRoller

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Agree, there are not many teams/QB historically who can pick up 40 yards and manage the clock with 0:30 or less left and get a FG try off. KC/Mahomes is one of them.

 

Add to that the K nailed a 62 yarder. How many kickers can do that??? I'll surrender enough yards to force a 60+ FG try every time if it prevents a TD on a big play.

 

The crazier thing is last week, Matt Wright broke the Arrowhead record that stood for about 2 years after Butker set it in 2020, then his record stood for less than a week when Butker comes in and breaks the 59 yarder with a 62 yarder that looked like it might have been good from 70.

[HoofHearted]

7 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

Good point. My only consideration for Bass trying to attempt one of those high kicks he normally does to give the ST time to get down there is field position. It could very well pin them back inside the 20 or 15. But you’re right they may fair catch it and you lose trying to shave seconds off the clock. 
 

i suppose the squib kick was the right thing to do. Again I was happy w that choice yesteday. But then we failed to follow through on defense. 
 

Do we double team Kelce everytime next time? 
Should we blitz Mahomes and force him to make a play?

They did double him. With Tremaine and what looks like Rousseau.

[bobobonators]

Just now, RocCityRoller said:

 

Agree, there are not many teams/QB historically who can pick up 40 yards and manage the clock with 0:30 or less left and get a FG try off. KC/Mahomes is one of them.

 

Add to that the K nailed a 62 yarder. How many kickers can do that??? I'll surrender enough yards to force a 60+ FG try every time if it prevents a TD on a big play.

I mean I get what you’re saying and that we prevented a TD. But preventing a TD there was obvious. The chiefs were going for a FG. And based on last year’s loss and again yesterday the spirit of this thread is how do we approach this situation so we can prevent them from scoring, period.
 

I understand the Chiefs are probably the only team in the NFL who can pull this off. But there certainly are other threats out there (Burrow/Chase and Carr/Adams etc). So playing situational football, how do we accomplish this.
 

We have a great defense so striving for 0 points scored when the opposing team has less than 16sec to go 30-50yds is what we’re striving for.