What's wrong with Rodgers?

[PetermansRedemption]

Father Time is undefeated 

[DCofNC]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Then he should’ve retired. This is the same bull#### that Rothlesberger was pulling for almost 3-4 on Pittsburgh before he finally walked away. If your already thinking about life after football then your’e already retired, the moment you stopped giving a ***** about your team as a whole, your’e already retired. Some guys just don’t know when/how to walk away. One thing I’ll give Kelly is he knew when it was time to walk away. Especially after he admitted after Hull retired he didn’t have much interest playing on Sundays anymore. 

100% he should have hung it up, but I genuinely think he took the money grab opportunity.  I bet you he will ask for a trade or hold the Packers hostage again this off-season, try to get them to give him a buy out to retire or some BS.  He’s going to get 100M for 2 years of service, he’s smart to take it, but if he can avoid doing it anymore, I bet he will.

[BuffaloBills1998]

1 minute ago, DCofNC said:

I think you are dead wrong on that.   I could absolutely see a contender who loses their QB try to swing that, the problem is going to be the contract.   It would probably require the Packers converting all the salary to bonus and paying it out before trading him to make it work for another team.  If Stafford went down, I could see the Rams going for it.  You have to look at the windows of opportunity that some teams have and think it might be worth it.   
 

Wilson got a great return for Seattle, and Denver ponied up big money to him… regrettably at this point..  teams get desperate.

Except the rams are not a good team anymore and outside of Kupp, there’s no one really worth a damn on that offense. No running game as Akers is rumored to be getting into it with McVay now and you have a trade bust in Allen Robinson. Plus their defense is old and most players are becoming washed up

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2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Except the rams are not a good team anymore and outside of Kupp, there’s no one really worth a damn on that offense. No running game as Akers is rumored to be getting into it with McVay now and you have a trade bust in Allen Robinson. Plus their defense is old and most players are becoming washed up

Just because a blind man can see it, doesn’t mean the team does.  Carolina was convinced they were a contender after 4 games last year 🤣.  I agree, I think the window has closed on the Rams, they are going to have to blow it up, but I could see McVay going all in for a last shot to win before he “retires”.   Aaron Donald seems like he’s come unhinged too.. I worry that guy is going to try to kill somebody.

[BuffaloBills1998]

6 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

I think you are dead wrong on that.   I could absolutely see a contender who loses their QB try to swing that, the problem is going to be the contract.   It would probably require the Packers converting all the salary to bonus and paying it out before trading him to make it work for another team.  If Stafford went down, I could see the Rams going for it.  You have to look at the windows of opportunity that some teams have and think it might be worth it.   
 

Wilson got a great return for Seattle, and Denver ponied up big money to him… regrettably at this point..  teams get desperate.

Teams I can see him going to next year if he’s still playing and wants out of GB are Miami, Indy, maybe he goes back home to SF if they’re interested and if they don’t move forward with either Jimmy G or Lance.

[wppete]

Damn hippies

 

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Just now, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Teams I can see him going to next year if he’s still playing and wants out of GB are Miami, Indy, maybe he goes back home to SF if they’re interested and if they don’t move forward with either Jimmy G or Lance.

I think Miami makes sense.  I don’t see SF giving up on Lance yet, 3 1st round picks is a hard pill to swallow and give up on him.

 

I don’t think he would go to Indy, they are pretenders, not real contenders.

[SydneyBillsFan]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Can the answer be "Aaron is wrong with Aaron"? I don't wish to over simplify but some of this is him. Some of the reasons he only has one Superbowl are him. Some of the reasons it isn't working at the moment are him. There was an English soccer player in the 00s name Steven Gerrard. He played for Liverpool who remind me in some ways of Green Bay. They are the Premier League's standard bearers for tradition and history. For Lambeau Field see Anfield. Historical venues, fanatical support, places where the history of the game seems to seep from every brick of the building. Gerrard was a Liverpool hero and a supremely talented footballer. While Rodgers isn't a local boy in the same way he is supremely talented and is adored by the fanbase. But Liverpool as a team never won a Premier League title during Gerrard's career and part of it was that Steven Gerrard had to be the biggest show in town and he had to let people know about it too. He was, in many ways, a walking ego. Coaches got fired when Gerrard disagreed with them. Players fell out of favour when Gerrard lost trust in them. Even ownership was in hock to him. I feel that a lot of those same things apply to Aaron Rodgers and Green Bay. 

 

But Aaron has always been Aaron, basically since his Superbowl win (if not before) he has been a huge ego and the main man for the Packers so why is it only a problem now? I think this is where it is more nuanced and his personality combines with the other factors that come into play:

 

1. Talent - Green Bay is at the end of a cycle. They are getting close to a rebuild and as such there isn't quite the talent around him that once there was. That is more noticeable at wide receiver where they traded Adams (a move that didn't really make sense at the same time as extending Rodgers) and have gone with a youth movement with Doubs and Watson and tried to cobble that together with some low ceiling vets in Lazard and Cobb plus the enigmatic Sammy Watkins. When Watson dropped that sure touchdown pass week 1 Rodgers reaction was what I'd expect. He threw his arms up, he rolled his eyes, he gave off the body language of a man saying "what more can I do"? And I'm not sure that helps those young bucks to develop and be confident. 

 

2. Coaching - Matt LaFleur is one of the in vogue fashion of hiring from the Shanahan tree. He did a good job initially of taking the weight off Rodgers's shoulders when he arrived from the McCarthy offense which had been the sort of West Coast offense that Bill Walsh might have recognised and basically if Aaron Rodgers didn't make the entire play himself plays didn't happen. The Shanny scheme was a perfect fit for Devonte Adams in that it values precise route running which is his best attribute and while it forced Aaron to play in a more regimented manner the reality was the scheme generally got him guys open. Now with Adams gone and the oline banged up Aaron is getting frustrated, he is getting away from the structure of the offense and he is trying to play his way. The Shanahan version of the west coast offense off of the stretch zone run game allows very little room for freelancing. And Aaron is seeing the scheme fail to get guys open and wants to freelance. And if they throw another bubble screen to Romeo Doubs I think everyone in Green Bay will vomit in their mouth. LaFleur is struggling to find ways to get his new guys open from scheme, Aaron is getting away from the scheme, and the whole thing is breaking down and looking messy. 

 

3. Desire - the well worn phrase is once a guy starts talking about retirement he is basically retired. It is hard to play in the NFL if your are 100% full committed. It is darn near impossible if you are not. I think Aaron thought that when he came back he would be all in but he looks like he is realising this team is not a Superbowl contender in the way they have been the last few seasons when they have blown two major opportunities in home playoff games against the 49ers in last year's divisional round and the Buccs in the previous NFCCG. And approach his 39th birthday I am not sure how much Aaron really fancies trying to work with guys who might be good in 2 or 3 years time. He has never loved getting hit but watch the way Tom Brady (who also hates getting hit) bounces up and gives his oline an earful still at 45 when he is knocked down. Now watch Rodgers wearily drag himself off the turf. I don't know if his heart is still all the way in it. If I had to guess right now here today? I'd guess he retires after the season. 

 

1. If Stevie G doesn't lose possession against Chelsea they win that title. And he did win a CL against the odds. But yeah, replace him with a  Modric or Lampard and they probably win a few titles.

 

2. Was going from banging an IndyCar babe to a hippy chick a psychological downgrade?

 

3. You could have just said "he's a washed up has-been but I couldn't be arsed typing a long response because I have to arrange the meet for the away trip to Brentford" 😜

Edited October 17, 2022 by SydneyBillsFan

[BuffaloBills1998]

Just now, DCofNC said:

I think Miami makes sense.  I don’t see SF giving up on Lance yet, 3 1st round picks is a hard pill to swallow and give up on him.

 

I don’t think he would go to Indy, they are pretenders, not real contenders.

I think it was rumored he was interested in Miami especially after they acquired Hill from KC also they have a good young coach that the players seem to rally behind. Also no tax in Florida is something that would sell Rodgers on going to play down there. 

[Billsfanatic8989]

Receivers and age. 

 

Nobody can get open. 

[WhoTom]

Ivermectin.

And a lack of D. Adams.

 

[FilthyBeast]

He's what most QB's start to look like as they approach 40 not named Tom Brady.

 

Combined with a terrible offensive roster and defense just average now and you can see that this team is in serious trouble and may not even make the playoffs, let alone take the NFC North which some pundits felt was a bigger lock than the Bills taking the AFCE again.

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

 

1. If Stevie G doesn't lose possession against Chelsea they win that title. And he did win a CL against the odds. But yeah, replace him with a  Modric or Lampard and they probably win a few titles.

 

2. Was going from banging an IndyCar babe to a hippy chick a psychological downgrade?

 

3. You could have just said "he's a washed up has-been but I couldn't be arsed typing a long response because I have to arrange the meet for the away trip to Brentford" 😜

 

1. Or if he didn't do what he always did in second half of games where it wasn't going well and shoot from 35 yards every time he got the ball? For every Olympiakos and West Ham there was a Chelsea or a Germany (World Cup 2010). Egomaniac. 

 

2. I don't pay a lot of attention to Aaron's girlfriends. 

 

3. The mighty Gunners have already bashed Brentford 3-0 at the plastic stadium. 😜 

Edited October 17, 2022 by GunnerBill

[DCofNC]

16 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

I think it was rumored he was interested in Miami especially after they acquired Hill from KC also they have a good young coach that the players seem to rally behind. Also no tax in Florida is something that would sell Rodgers on going to play down there. 

Yeah, unfortunately I think Miami would be a great place for him to land. I’d hate to see it, but it would actually make sense if they can work out a Tua for Old Timer trade in the off-season. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

He's what most QB's start to look like as they approach 40 not named Tom Brady.

 

Combined with a terrible offensive roster and defense just average now and you can see that this team is in serious trouble and may not even make the playoffs, let alone take the NFC North which some pundits felt was a bigger lock than the Bills taking the AFCE again.

 

The smart among us picked the Vikes for that division.