Lil' Dummy McKenzie.........offical team character builder

[Beck Water]

On 10/18/2022 at 12:34 PM, WideNine said:

Don't blame him for not being ready for what was likely an improvisational shovel pass from Allen, but he was off in his timing and routes with some drops in other area of the game and has had a few brain farts this year.

 

I think you can bet that was an improvisational shovel pass.  I can blame McKenzie for not being ready (it's Josh Allen you're playing with - be ready until the whistle!) but my take away from McDermotts "first of all, you have to understand what we were trying to accomplish there" is that McKenzie doesn't deserve the kind of blame for being an ill-prepared *****up who wasn't ready for a designed option in the play, that he's getting here.

 

I didn't see that "off in his timing and routes (though that's hard to tell) with some drops".  He high-pointed a pass and immediately took a helmet to the ball (and his chin) to knock it out, in what I think should have been a "defenseless receiver" penalty.  Chad Hall met him at the sideline with a concerned look and a bunch of questions because he got LEVELED.  He failed to catch a ball that was thrown behind him in the EZ, which is not a 'drop' but frankly, is a catch he would ordinarily make because he's athletic enough.

 

On 10/18/2022 at 12:48 PM, BillsfaninSB said:

I understand the concern about his body of work this year but I’m not convinced the fumble and the TD drop was 100% him.

 

It seemed like Josh had to pitch that ball to him sooner than expected.  He had a wall of Chiefs in front of him.  The play design may have required more time and the o-line didn’t do their job.
 

The pass was behind McKenzie.  It reminded me of the 2020 Barkley pass  against the Pats that broke Beasley’s leg. 

 

Agree with that last.

 

I think the market share of snaps is going to be interesting.  I didn't go play-by-play, but Diggs spent a LOT of time in the slot vs KC. 

 

If we see that in other games, you can bet the rent money you'll be seeing more Shakir (unless you see more Hodgins) in the 3 WR sets that have been the Bills bread and butter, because you're not gonna see McKenzie playing outside, NopeNope won't happen. 

 

The other factor is whether we  keep it up with more of the heavy sets (2 TE and RB or 12; RB, FB, TE or 21) and start playing more 2 WR sets because we can use Morris on some of the slot routes and Morris or even Gilliam as the outlet receiver in the flat.  I think Josh trusts both their hands and they seem focused and sharp.  As long as they're healthy, if there are 2 WR on the field it will be Diggs and Davis.

Edited October 21, 2022 by Beck Water

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

34 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think you can bet that was an improvisational shovel pass.  I can blame McKenzie for not being ready (it's Josh Allen you're playing with - be ready until the whistle!) but my take away from McDermotts "first of all, you have to understand what we were trying to accomplish there" is that McKenzie doesn't deserve the kind of blame for being an ill-prepared *****up who wasn't ready for a designed option in the play, that he's getting here.

 

I didn't see that "off in his timing and routes (though that's hard to tell) with some drops".  He high-pointed a pass and immediately took a helmet to the ball (and his chin) to knock it out, in what I think should have been a "defenseless receiver" penalty.  Chad Hall met him at the sideline with a concerned look and a bunch of questions because he got LEVELED.  He failed to catch a ball that was thrown behind him in the EZ, which is not a 'drop' but frankly, is a catch he would ordinarily make because he's athletic enough.

 

 

Agree with that last.

 

I think the market share of snaps is going to be interesting.  I didn't go play-by-play, but Diggs spent a LOT of time in the slot vs KC. 

 

If we see that in other games, you can bet the rent money you'll be seeing more Shakir (unless you see more Hodgins) in the 3 WR sets that have been the Bills bread and butter, because you're not gonna see McKenzie playing outside, NopeNope won't happen. 

 

The other factor is whether we  keep it up with more of the heavy sets (2 TE and RB or 12; RB, FB, TE or 21) and start playing more 2 WR sets because we can use Morris on some of the slot routes and Morris or even Gilliam as the outlet receiver in the flat.  I think Josh trusts both their hands and they seem focused and sharp.  As long as they're healthy, if there are 2 WR on the field it will be Diggs and Davis.

 

I was at the game so i couldn't really tell - but watching that replay that pass was not where it needed to be.  Maybe he should have sat down on his route there?  Not sure.  

[Charles Romes]

If Josh did not bail him out with the 3rd in the 13th missile to Gabe from his own end zone, he would be odds on likely to sit next game like he sat last year. That was the worst of the 3 blunders imo. You add Sunday to the Colts game and Rams opening day with the spotlight shining and you wonder is it’s viable dressing this guy in January. 

Edited October 21, 2022 by Charles Romes

[billsfan1959]

On 10/18/2022 at 1:48 PM, BillsfaninSB said:

I understand the concern about his body of work this year but I’m not convinced the fumble and the TD drop was 100% him.

 

It seemed like Josh had to pitch that ball to him sooner than expected.  He had a wall of Chiefs in front of him.  The play design may have required more time and the o-line didn’t do their job.
 

The pass was behind McKenzie.  It reminded me of the 2020 Barkley pass  against the Pats that broke Beasley’s leg. 

The pitch play was just awkward all the way around.

 

The pass appeared to be a little behind McKenzie only because he tripped and fell forward. If he stays on his feet that is a TD every time. That was 100% on McKenzie. 
 

He didn’t have a good game. I’m not into demeaning his intelligence; however, he certainly deserves all the criticism he is receiving for his play.

[CheshireCT]

The title of this thread is disrespectful and unnecessary.

even if people want to dog on him (which I also find unnecessary), can we AT LEAST change the title of the thread???????

Edited October 21, 2022 by CheshireCT

[Warriorspikes51]

9 minutes ago, CheshireCT said:

The title of this thread is disrespectful and unnecessary.

even if people want to dog on him (which I also find unnecessary), can we AT LEAST change the title of the thread???????

This!!! How was this thread not locked or deleted?   Considering posts and threads mods usually delete....

Insulting a Bills player with disrespectful name calling is LAME 

Edited October 21, 2022 by Warriorspikes51

[Freddie's Dead]

On 10/17/2022 at 12:22 PM, 4merper4mer said:

How were his hands in Foxboro last year?

 

Or Miami the year before that?

[nedboy7]

***** this thread.  ***** lame. 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, CheshireCT said:

The title of this thread is disrespectful and unnecessary.

even if people want to dog on him (which I also find unnecessary), can we AT LEAST change the title of the thread???????

 

 

Nope.

 

He's earned it.

 

Dude fumbled 6 times on special teams as a rookie........10 times in Denver total counting preseasons before they finally had to cut bait.........has since kept fumbling and bobbling and making dubious decisions on special teams whenever given the chance..........then was critical of McDermott for benching him after his face-plant-fumble versus Indy last season.    He has proven to lack any self-awareness.   Hence Lil' Dummy.

 

It's not a coincidence that the ball gets turned over by fumble, interception or on downs(sometimes to end the game even) on so many of his chances..........he kills otherwise vibrant opportunities........which keeps scores closer and serves as a training weight for the offense.........hence the character builder.

10 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Love this thread.  McKenzie is lame. 

 

 

Agreed,

[Freddie's Dead]

On 10/17/2022 at 2:51 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

A better example of what I mean is from the Miami game. The Bills are trying to spike the ball and stop the clock. Josh fumbles the snap and in an instant realizes that he can't spike it and therefore must throw it. He stands up and slings it out to Diggs who is standing outside, thinking its going to be a normal spike play that doesnt involve him at all.

 

The bolded is incorrect.  Josh did not fumble the snap, the ball never hit the ground.  He muffed the snap, and the rule says that as long as he afterwards fields it cleanly without fumbling (ball hitting the ground), he can still spike the ball.  Josh ***** up.  The number of talking heads on the broadcast saying otherwise does not make it right.  They don't even know the rules of the sport they're paid millions to comment on.

On 10/17/2022 at 3:00 PM, 4merper4mer said:

This thread’s title is an ad hominem and you’re trying to back it up while accusing others of ad hominems?  Shirley 

McKenzie is starting because Crowder, and to some extent Kumerow are hurt.  The only “solution” at this point is a rookie who himself has shown suspect awareness in critical spots.  Logic is not working in your favor here.  The play to Knox required pinpoint accuracy which thankfully Allen delivered.  Had Knox read the situation correctly it is a layup.  Johnson, Hamlin and Neal weren’t exactly “aware” during JuJu’s TD.  Luckily we left Johnson in there.

 

 

Siran Neal had a ridiculously bad game, with the JuJu TD and two defensive holding calls.  Where are the calls for Wrap to be run outta town?

[Locomark]

So this OpEd is what Beasley does now that he is unemployed…… 

[NewEra]

5 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I was at the game so i couldn't really tell - but watching that replay that pass was not where it needed to be.  Maybe he should have sat down on his route there?  Not sure.  

Either he was supposed to sit down or it was a bad pass.  One of the other.  Looks like he was supposed to sit down considering the DB coming from the other side.  

[Success]

45 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Nope.

 

He's earned it.

 

Dude fumbled 6 times on special teams as a rookie........10 times in Denver total counting preseasons before they finally had to cut bait.........has since kept fumbling and bobbling and making dubious decisions on special teams whenever given the chance..........then was critical of McDermott for benching him after his face-plant-fumble versus Indy last season.    He has proven to lack any self-awareness.   Hence Lil' Dummy.

 

It's not a coincidence that the ball gets turned over by fumble, interception or on downs(sometimes to end the game even) on so many of his chances..........he kills otherwise vibrant opportunities........which keeps scores closer and serves as a training weight for the offense.........hence the character builder.

 

 

Agreed,

 

He hasn't "earned" it. The thread title and "nickname" are something I'd expect to see from KC fans on their toxic board - not on a Bills board.  I consider us to have the best fans in the world, and this thread does not reflect that.

 

McKenzie has had so many great plays for us over the past few years.  He & Josh Allen almost single-handedly won the 2nd regular season Pats game last year.  I love that he's on this team.  The EZ pass was a little behind him, and the pitch that led to the 1st fumble was more of timing thing - it didn't seem like he was solely responsible.  I guess we can haggle about that stuff, but having one bad game shouldn't result in a thread like this.

 

[BADOLBILZ]

42 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Siran Neal had a ridiculously bad game, with the JuJu TD and two defensive holding calls.  Where are the calls for Wrap to be run outta town?

 

 

All Pro TE Travis Kelce is a tough assignment for a good special teamer pressed into unusual duty.

 

When McKenzie.........who is not even a good special teamer..........has to play a game at receiver on some All Pro CB's island all day I promise to cut him some slack if he doesn't have a strong performance. 

[Freddie's Dead]

13 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

All Pro TE Travis Kelce is a tough assignment for a good special teamer pressed into unusual duty.

 

When McKenzie.........who is not even a good special teamer..........has to play a game at receiver on some All Pro CB's island all day I promise to cut him some slack if he doesn't have a strong performance. 

 

Liar.  

[BADOLBILZ]

5 minutes ago, Success said:

 

He hasn't "earned" it. The thread title and "nickname" are something I'd expect to see from KC fans on their toxic board - not on a Bills board.  I consider us to have the best fans in the world, and this thread does not reflect that.

 

McKenzie has had so many great plays for us over the past few years.  He & Josh Allen almost single-handedly won the 2nd regular season Pats game last year.  I love that he's on this team.  The EZ pass was a little behind him, and the pitch that led to the 1st fumble was more of timing thing - it didn't seem like he was solely responsible.  I guess we can haggle about that stuff, but having one bad game shouldn't result in a thread like this.

 

 

 

There are no "best fans in the world" there are only the passionate and the dispassionate.

 

That 'best fans in the world" nonsense is just eye-fluttering,  fan-schmoozing lip service that all sports teams and their players use toward their fanbase(or one they want something from) to bond themselves to those wallets of fickle fans like yourself who need to be fluffed out of economic inaction.

 

[Success]

13 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

There are no "best fans in the world" there are only the passionate and the dispassionate.

 

That 'best fans in the world" nonsense is just eye-fluttering,  fan-schmoozing lip service that all sports teams and their players use toward their fanbase(or one they want something from) to bond themselves to those wallets of fickle fans like yourself who need to be fluffed out of economic inaction.

 

 

What specifically indicated that I'm a "fickle fan?"

 

 

[Chandler#81]

I’m over him. Bummed we signed him to an extension, speed notwithstanding. ‘Face of the franchise’ was funny. It’s old now and his play doesn’t rate a starting position. 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

The bolded is incorrect.  Josh did not fumble the snap, the ball never hit the ground.  He muffed the snap, and the rule says that as long as he afterwards fields it cleanly without fumbling (ball hitting the ground), he can still spike the ball.  Josh ***** up.  The number of talking heads on the broadcast saying otherwise does not make it right.  They don't even know the rules of the sport they're paid millions to comment on.

 

Ok. Point stands either way. Josh stood and fired an unexpected fastball right at Diggs, and Diggs was fully ready and on point.

 

1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

Siran Neal had a ridiculously bad game, with the JuJu TD and two defensive holding calls.  Where are the calls for Wrap to be run outta town?

 

This is about more than one bad game.

[US Egg]

“Little Dummy” title is inappropriate.