Patriots may have a QB

[billsfan1959]

59 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Interesting insights into the Patriots QB situation.

 

I think Josh McDaniels is under-appreciated as an OC and he learned something from mis-handling Sam Bradford in St Louis.  He had Mac looking very capable and steady last season. 

 

I think Judge and Patricia are a hot mess as OC's, much less joint OCs, but I have to admit throwing Mac to the wolves in a CYA maneuver didn't occur to me.  Now that the authors raise it, I can totally see it.

 

Ya Hate to See It

 

McDaniels is a pretty good OC and I don't think Belichick realized just what he did for the offense in NE. And, of course, ss long as he had Brady, Belichick never had to concern himself with finding and developing a QB in an era where success is so QB dependent. I have no doubt he dismissed McDaniels' role in the relative success they had last year with Jones and believed it was entirely due to him and his head coaching abilities.

 

The proof is in his establishment of a dual OC concept shared by two people completely incapable of the handling the responsiblity. Now he is absolutely incapable of engaging in the necessary self-reflection and humility necessary to realize that he has f****d the entire thing up.

 

If it keeps going south, I'm sure others will be held accountable 

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Interesting insights into the Patriots QB situation.

 

I think Josh McDaniels is under-appreciated as an OC and he learned something from mis-handling Sam Bradford in St Louis.  He had Mac looking very capable and steady last season. 

 

I think Judge and Patricia are a hot mess as OC's, much less joint OCs, but I have to admit throwing Mac to the wolves in a CYA maneuver didn't occur to me.  Now that the authors raise it, I can totally see it.

 

Ya Hate to See It

McDaniels if nothing else knew what he was doing on that side of the ball.

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

McDaniels is a pretty good OC and I don't think Belichick realized just what he did for the offense in NE. And, of course, ss long as he had Brady, Belichick never had to concern himself with finding and developing a QB in an era where success is so QB dependent. I have no doubt he dismissed McDaniels' role in the relative success they had last year with Jones and believed it was entirely due to him and his head coaching abilities.

 

The proof is in his establishment of a dual OC concept shared by two people completely incapable of the handling the responsiblity. Now he is absolutely incapable of engaging in the necessary self-reflection and humility necessary to realize that he has f****d the entire thing up.

 

If it keeps going south, I'm sure others will be held accountable 

 

I fundamentally agree with you, but regarding "never had to concern himself with finding and developing....", I'd like to point out that two current starting QB in the league (Jacoby Brissett, and Jimmy Garappolo) were drafted by Belichick and developed in NE - which is kind of unprecedented actually as far as I know.  Then there's the curious case of Matt Cassel, who never threw a pass in college, had a winning season that just missed the playoffs in NE, repeated in KC, then fell off the edge of the NFL earth.  So some QB development obviously was able to occur, even if not "find new long term starter for NE".

[billsfan1959]

16 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I fundamentally agree with you, but regarding "never had to concern himself with finding and developing....", I'd like to point out that two current starting QB in the league (Jacoby Brissett, and Jimmy Garappolo) were drafted by Belichick and developed in NE - which is kind of unprecedented actually as far as I know.  Then there's the curious case of Matt Cassel, who never threw a pass in college, had a winning season that just missed the playoffs in NE, repeated in KC, then fell off the edge of the NFL earth.  So some QB development obviously was able to occur, even if not "find new long term starter for NE".

 

I won't disagree with you that there have been QBs (I wouldn't classify any of them as more than average talents who reached their ceilings) drafted and developed in NE that have started / are currently starting in the NFL. However, they were developed under McDaniels and during a period when the team had, arguably, the GOAT at QB. Not exactly the same context as needing to find and develop a QB for the team to be good or relevant again. Based on what I have seen with Belichick, since McDaniel left, has me wondering if he is even capable of doing that. 

[Warcodered]

 

[HOUSE]

On 10/16/2022 at 4:02 PM, TH3 said:

Zappe going to be a problem!

Weakest arm in the League including 2nd stringers. 

 

[Beast]

The Patriots have a huge problem.

 

Coaching.

[Warcodered]

 

[machine gun kelly]

So between two QB’s, they throw three picks in a game, are 3-4, and losing to even losing teams.  That’s a great QB stable alrighty.

[ArtVandalay]

On 10/28/2022 at 9:06 PM, HOUSE said:

Weakest arm in the League including 2nd stringers. 

 

Stronger than Macs... below average. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

8 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Stronger than Macs... below average. 

 

[Doc]

58 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Stronger than Macs... below average. 

 

How is that quantified?

[HOUSE]

Was there a trade last night?

I might have missed it 

[strive_for_five_guy]

There was so much promise for Zappe:

 

 

[Low Positive]

I knew someone would bump this one today. 

[Gregg]

You know who I think has a QB. The Bears. I think Caleb Williams is going to be a good one. I think he is going to be a fun player to watch. 

[PrimeTime101]

3 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

There was so much promise for Zappe:

 

 

0 reason to refresh this topic from 2022 to now knowing what we even new last year.  Tell me. How many times have you been wrong since 2022?

 

sorry..  I dislike bumps like this.  It takes guts to make a bold prediction. How many bold predictions have you made since 2022? were they right? wrong? have you been called out on them like this.   

 

 

Moving on. Nothing to see here.  We are better than this. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

15 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

0 reason to refresh this topic from 2022 to now knowing what we even new last year.  Tell me. How many times have you been wrong since 2022?

 

sorry..  I dislike bumps like this.  It takes guts to make a bold prediction. How many bold predictions have you made since 2022? were they right? wrong? have you been called out on them like this.   

 

 

Moving on. Nothing to see here.  We are better than this. 

Unlike you, I like to reflect on predictions and their eventual outcomes, and this seemed to be an appropriate thread to mark the end of Zappe’s time in New England.  Sorry if this offended you though. 

[Captain Hindsight]

I like Zappe. Tough dude making the most of his limited abilities. He would be a guy I'd love on the PS

[stlbills13]

Zappe is a guy I'd be fine with throwing in the game if your QB went down with an injury in the 2nd quarter and let his adrenaline carry him through. But he's not a guy I'd want starting the next week. He seems like an in-game backup but not your actual 2nd stringer if that makes sense.