Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 7 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 I approve this message *honk honk* Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 I may get some blow back on this. So be it. While Mac Jones (and Zappe, for that matter) are limited as passers the Patriots really mishandled the whole offense this year. Jones will never be "HIM". But, with excellent coaching and a good system to support the things he does do well he is easily one of the top 32 QBs in the NFL. I'd put him in the low to mid 20s. That's where QB play in the NFL is at these days. Turning the offense over to Matt Patricia and Joe Judge as his QB coach was borderline insane. Neither Jones or Zappe will ever be that generational "franchise QB" in my opinion. However it wouldn't shock me at all if either or both go on to have a nice 10-12 year NFL career in the bridge QB/high end backup category. 1 Quote
DasNootz Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 10 hours ago, Airseven said: What’s the consensus on how to minimize Zappe’s success?? Let him play the Bears vaunted pass defense. 2 Quote
pocoboy Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said: ...the Patriots really mishandled the whole offense this year. Jones will never be "HIM". But, with excellent coaching and a good system to support the things he does do well he is easily one of the top 32 QBs in the NFL. I'd put him in the low to mid 20s. That's where QB play in the NFL is at these days. Turning the offense over to Matt Patricia and Joe Judge as his QB coach was borderline insane. That may be the biggest sign that the Patriots were already done with Jones before training camp even opened. It looks like a great way to tank, put two coaches with no OC experience in the QB room and let the fun begin. I think Mac is way too arrogant coming from the Tide and acting like he's already won MVP's most of the time, Belichick would hate that, especially if there's even a hint that he's not putting in the work. Maybe the tank got derailed having to start Zappe against two incompetent teams, but last night's switcheroo is sure to unsettle everything. Quote
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 14 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: Ya this is so entertaining I may have to listen to boston sports radio this morning Zappy the Clown! Anyway, the comments are priceless. "Bears were patient with Fields and it's starting to pay off." 😆 "We need to be that patient." What are Pats* doing? Shopping @ Patriots Place during the games? 😆 Quote
RiotAct Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 I think at this point you gotta go with Zappe, right? Quote
2003Contenders Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 This situation reminds me of our very own Losman/Edwards situation 13-14 years ago. Everyone with eyeballs knew that JP was never going to be "the guy", and we hoped against hope that Trent could be. Remember words like "poise" being tossed around related to Trent Edwards? 1 Quote
Shake_My_Head Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 Well, the Pats might have a kicker controversy on their hands as well. Mac seemed to have pretty good form last night. 1 Quote
Rocky Landing Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said: Well, the Pats might have a kicker controversy on their hands as well. Mac seemed to have pretty good form last night. That's the second time Jones has intentionally injured a player and not been flagged. I hope he at least gets fined this time. Brady* just recently got fined for doing something similar, but without the injury. Jones is scum. Edited October 25, 2022 by Rocky Landing 3 Quote
Sharky7337 Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Zappy the Clown! Anyway, the comments are priceless. "Bears were patient with Fields and it's starting to pay off." 😆 "We need to be that patient." What are Pats* doing? Shopping @ Patriots Place during the games? 😆 Ya it's like welcome to the basement fellas! Couldn't have happened to a better fan base! I know from experience this was exactly the feelings I had in like 96 when it was setting in we may not be so good anymore. Edited October 25, 2022 by Sharky7337 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, pocoboy said: That may be the biggest sign that the Patriots were already done with Jones before training camp even opened. It looks like a great way to tank, put two coaches with no OC experience in the QB room and let the fun begin. I think Mac is way too arrogant coming from the Tide and acting like he's already won MVP's most of the time, Belichick would hate that, especially if there's even a hint that he's not putting in the work. Maybe the tank got derailed having to start Zappe against two incompetent teams, but last night's switcheroo is sure to unsettle everything. There's a ton of speculation here. However, word is that Mac is actually a very hard worker. It's his physical limitations that hold him back more than anything. Mac coming from Bama actually tells me that Belichick knew way more about Mac than most would as it's very well documented how close Saban and Belichick are. I think the issue is more that Belichick knows his time on the sidelines is winding down. There is zero chance that he approached this season as a "tank" year. Like him or hate him I will say that losing is not something he would embrace at any level or any reason. He no longer has Brady (and the benefit of phantom calls that come with Brady) to mask the fact that he has always made questionable calls on gameday. After 20 years of Brady, Belichick now has to relate to a guy in his early 20s (not an easy generation for a 70 year old man to relate to). One constant in his tenure as the HC is his reluctance to bring in new voices from the outside. He's always just brought back coaches with NE ties that failed elsewhere or promoted his son. I believe he truly thought that Patricia and Judge would do a great job and rather than bring in someone with new concepts and vision for the future he still is clinging to the "Patriot Way". Trouble is he doesn't have anyone like Brady with the aura of success carrying out those marching orders and being the golden example anymore. 1 Quote
FLFan Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: That's the second time Jones has intentionally injured a player and not been flagged. I hope he at least gets fined this time. Brady* just recently got fined for doing something similar, but without the injury. Jones is scum. It’s the Patriot Way. 1 Quote
K D Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 I was excited to wake up today to doom and gloom but all of my Pats fan friends are saying this was just 1 bad game, Pats still have the best coach in football (lol), and are a 10 win/playoff team (lolol). They said they will have a great game plan for the Bills cooked up and are expecting to split with us and if so the division is still in play 😅 As I posted last night, I think NE just made a great case to being the worst team in football. I had the Bears up there and they just blew the doors off them soooo.... 1 Quote
Beck Water Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said: Well, the Pats might have a kicker controversy on their hands as well. Mac seemed to have pretty good form last night. That play was Soooooooo Bad. I hope he gets fined for it. I loved it when Brisker picked him. I loved it even more when Manning called him out for it on the national broadcast. 2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: I was excited to wake up today to doom and gloom but all of my Pats fan friends are saying this was just 1 bad game, Pats still have the best coach in football (lol), and are a 10 win/playoff team (lolol). They said they will have a great game plan for the Bills cooked up and are expecting to split with us and if so the division is still in play 😅 I bet you going into it, they were all saying "Bears gonna be a tough out, much harder than the Bills" 🤪🤪🤪 Just enjoy. Time will tell. Edited October 25, 2022 by Beck Water Quote
Big Turk Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 44 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I may get some blow back on this. So be it. While Mac Jones (and Zappe, for that matter) are limited as passers the Patriots really mishandled the whole offense this year. Jones will never be "HIM". But, with excellent coaching and a good system to support the things he does do well he is easily one of the top 32 QBs in the NFL. I'd put him in the low to mid 20s. That's where QB play in the NFL is at these days. Turning the offense over to Matt Patricia and Joe Judge as his QB coach was borderline insane. Neither Jones or Zappe will ever be that generational "franchise QB" in my opinion. However it wouldn't shock me at all if either or both go on to have a nice 10-12 year NFL career in the bridge QB/high end backup category. IMHO Mad Mac is Alex Smith/Chad Pennington(before the shoulder injury). Game manager who is limited with what they can do and the throws they can make but a player you can win regular season games with and make the playoffs only to get booted in the first round once the competition becomes tougher. 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 27 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said: This situation reminds me of our very own Losman/Edwards situation 13-14 years ago. Everyone with eyeballs knew that JP was never going to be "the guy", and we hoped against hope that Trent could be. Remember words like "poise" being tossed around related to Trent Edwards? "Bill Walsh gave his seal of approval to Trent Edwards so you KNOW he's going to be great!" Quote
Shake_My_Head Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: "Bill Walsh gave his seal of approval to Trent Edwards so you KNOW he's going to be great!" QB development is such a fine art. Who knows if Edwards would have developed into something if given the same kind of support / coaching / roster development that Josh received? https://bleacherreport.com/articles/81573-from-mvp-to-bum-all-in-10-weeks-the-trent-edwards-story We should all be thankful that the Bills provided a masterclass in how to mold a raw guy like Josh into a franchise QB, given all the screw ups other teams (and the Bills) have had over the years. . Edited October 25, 2022 by Shake_My_Head 1 Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: I was excited to wake up today to doom and gloom but all of my Pats fan friends are saying this was just 1 bad game, Pats still have the best coach in football (lol), and are a 10 win/playoff team (lolol). They said they will have a great game plan for the Bills cooked up and are expecting to split with us and if so the division is still in play 😅 As I posted last night, I think NE just made a great case to being the worst team in football. I had the Bears up there and they just blew the doors off them soooo.... Drafting the GOAT in the sixth round is like dating the hottest girl in high school - it’s gonna mind-frack the Patriots’ fanbase for decades to come. They think it should come easy and have zero patience for anything other than an “instant fairy tale” situation. Not that they don’t deserve it… Edited October 25, 2022 by Coach Tuesday 2 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Big Turk said: IMHO Mad Mac is Alex Smith/Chad Pennington(before the shoulder injury). Game manager who is limited with what they can do and the throws they can make but a player you can win regular season games with and make the playoffs only to get booted in the first round once the competition becomes tougher. And I believe that's a logical outlook. So with guys like Smith or Mac what do you do? Build a strong, physical defense. Powerful run game. Passing offense built on play action and one read looks. Play more cautious and try to keep the score close. Win the game in the 4th quarter. For the Patriots right now...I like their run game. Their defense has some players (Dugger would have looked so good in a Bills uni). They have no offensive flow. It just looks like a bunch of random plays being called. Quote
Captain Hindsight Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Drafting the GOAT in the sixth round is like dating the hottest girl in high school - it’s gonna mind-frick the Patriots’ fanbase for decades to come. They think it should come easy and have zero patience for anything other than an “instant fairy tale” situation. Not that they don’t deserve it… This is a hell of a comparison and suddenly I'm glad I never saw a boob in real life until college 3 Quote
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