All your juicy Odell Beckham gossip

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, wppete said:

 

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[Real McClappy]

Still pass

[Bubba Gump]

Damn.....I thought this thread finally died. 🤧 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

From what I read if a team signs him they'd either have to immediately place him on the 53 man roster, but then kind of have a wasted roster spot till he's actually ready, or place him on IR so he can ramp up to speed.  But if place on IR he has to stay there for 4 weeks.  Assuming the Bills signed him tomorrow and then get the #1, he'd be eligible to some back for the SB, no earlier.  If signed after this week, he's out for the first three playoff games.

 

Think at this point OBJ is done for the year!

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

On 12/17/2022 at 8:50 AM, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

so you're saying Josh won't throw Davis's way because his catch % is in the 50's?  lol. So are Davante Adams's and Amari Cooper's---a couple of WR 1's, no? 

 

There are only 5 WR in the top 30 players catch % (the rise are mostly RB and a few TE)---none are WR1 or 2. 

 

 

Diggs has as many targets as the next 3 receivers (including Knox) combined.  Josh needs to spread it around more. 

 

 Both examples you give at WR are on new teams, in new offenses, with different QBs throwing them the ball. One has played the whole year with a QB that was just benched for Stidham, the other played with a backup QB for 11 games. And neither WR has a career catch rate in the 50s. Adams catch rate just last year was 72.7%, Cooper's was 65.4%.

 

 I wouldn't say Josh won't throw to Gabe because of his catch rate, but I will say if he has an opportunity to go else where he'd be foolish not to. With a catch rate of 54.2%, I would avoid throwing his way when every other starting eligible receiver on the team has a catch rate at least 10 points higher. McKenzie is at 64.5% and Knox, Singletary and Diggs are north of 70%.

 

 I think the biggest question has to be why is his catch rate so low vs the other 4 guys or even the other 2 WRs? Gabe ranks 154th in the league, the next lowest in the starting lineup is McKenzie at 94th. There's a wide margin between even the 4th and 5th best catch rates on the team.

 

 But if I mention the bad I have to mention the good. While he didn't have a big numbers game against Miami, his catches came at huge times in the game. The 1st down catch on 3rd and 17 during the 2nd td drive. His 1st down catch on the opening play of the gw drive to get us rolling and out of the shadow of our own endzone. And the 15 yard catch, a few plays later on 2nd and 17 after Josh got sacked.

 

 I've heard him talk about wanting that big 2nd contract, on at least a few occasions, but this area needs to get better next year. So does his route running, if he wants the big bucks. Don't get me wrong, someone will give him a good money, but imo that contract today is valued less than it was at the beginning of the year. Again imo, his stock has gone down this year. 

 

 

 

 

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

From what I read if a team signs him they'd either have to immediately place him on the 53 man roster, but then kind of have a wasted roster spot till he's actually ready, or place him on IR so he can ramp up to speed.  But if place on IR he has to stay there for 4 weeks.  Assuming the Bills signed him tomorrow and then get the #1, he'd be eligible to some back for the SB, no earlier.  If signed after this week, he's out for the first three playoff games.

 

Think at this point OBJ is done for the year!

I always considered this a signing for 2023 and beyond. OBJ himself has said he's looking for a multi-year deal.

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Both examples you give at WR are on new teams, in new offenses, with different QBs throwing them the ball. One has played the whole year with a QB that was just benched for Stidham, the other played with a backup QB for 11 games. And neither WR has a career catch rate in the 50s. Adams catch rate just last year was 72.7%, Cooper's was 65.4%.

 

 I wouldn't say Josh won't throw to Gabe because of his catch rate, but I will say if he has an opportunity to go else where he'd be foolish not to. With a catch rate of 54.2%, I would avoid throwing his way when every other starting eligible receiver on the team has a catch rate at least 10 points higher. McKenzie is at 64.5% and Knox, Singletary and Diggs are north of 70%.

 

 I think the biggest question has to be why is his catch rate so low vs the other 4 guys or even the other 2 WRs? Gabe ranks 154th in the league, the next lowest in the starting lineup is McKenzie at 94th. There's a wide margin between even the 4th and 5th best catch rates on the team.

 

 But if I mention the bad I have to mention the good. While he didn't have a big numbers game against Miami, his catches came at huge times in the game. The 1st down catch on 3rd and 17 during the 2nd td drive. His 1st down catch on the opening play of the gw drive to get us rolling and out of the shadow of our own endzone. And the 15 yard catch, a few plays later on 2nd and 17 after Josh got sacked.

 

 I've heard him talk about wanting that big 2nd contract, on at least a few occasions, but this area needs to get better next year. So does his route running, if he wants the big bucks. Don't get me wrong, someone will give him a good money, but imo that contract today is valued less than it was at the beginning of the year. Again imo, his stock has gone down this year. 

 

 

 

 

 

Adams's catch rate is 55%---the lowest on his team among starters.

 

Cooper this year has more yards than last year with the Cowboys.  A better YPC.  Still poor catch %.

 

Comparing RBs to WRs makes no sense at all.  RBs get dump off passes with typically zero coverage. 6 of the top 10 and 14 of the top 20 in catch % are RBs. 

 

He's having his best season.  He has 800 yards and 7 TDs.  He has more yards and as many catches  in the last 3 games as  the Bills WR1.  

 

He is getting better.  His yardage, total catches, YPC, YPG, YPT are all up from last year. To say his stock has gone down this year isn't a fact based assessment.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Adams's catch rate is 55%---the lowest on his team among starters.

 

Cooper this year has more yards than last year with the Cowboys.  A better YPC.  Still poor catch %.

 

Comparing RBs to WRs makes no sense at all.  RBs get dump off passes with typically zero coverage. 6 of the top 10 and 14 of the top 20 in catch % are RBs. 

 

He's having his best season.  He has 800 yards and 7 TDs.  He has more yards and as many catches  in the last 3 games as  the Bills WR1.  

 

He is getting better.  His yardage, total catches, YPC, YPG, YPT are all up from last year. To say his stock has gone down this year isn't a fact based assessment.

 

 Of course he has more yards and catches, he went from a part time player to a starter this year. It's only because of more playing time which has resulted in opportunities, not improved play. But he's averaging nearly the same yards per target as he did in his first 2 years combined only a .4 yard difference. He's not getting better he's on the field more, that's it.

 

 I wasn't talking about the top of list for completion percentage, you keep bringing that up with people and nobody expects him in the Top 20 or 30, but people also don't expect him to be 154th and last of the starters on the team.

 

 The comparison with Diggs is laughable and usually how you argue when you're wrong. Great 3 game sample size, Diggs destroys him in every category this year except yards per catch, that's it.

 

 With regards to Adams and Cooper, you already stated this, why are you bringing it back up. New teams, New system's and new, bad QBs. They're are not in the 50s for catch rate for their careers and were both way higher just last year with good QBs.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 29, 2022 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[balln]

End the thread!

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

12 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I always considered this a signing for 2023 and beyond. OBJ himself has said he's looking for a multi-year deal.

 

Agree, but also think OBJ was hoping to pick up some pocket change for this season.  But that doesn't appear to be working out for him.  He could always try a Go Fund Me page!

[Fleezoid]

I think we can take "juicy" out of the title now. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Of course he has more yards and catches, he went from a part time player to a starter this year. It's only because of more playing time which has resulted in opportunities, not improved play. But he's averaging nearly the same yards per target as he did in his first 2 years combined only a .4 yard difference. He's not getting better he's on the field more, that's it.

 

 I wasn't talking about the top of list for completion percentage, you keep bringing that up with people and nobody expects him in the Top 20 or 30, but people also don't expect him to be 154th and last of the starters on the team.

 

 The comparison with Diggs is laughable and usually how you argue when you're wrong. Great 3 game sample size, Diggs destroys him in every category this year except yards per catch, that's it.

 

 With regards to Adams and Cooper, you already stated this, why are you bringing it back up. New teams, New system's and new, bad QBs. They're are not in the 50s for catch rate for their careers and were both way higher just last year with good QBs.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, he's getting more starts and therefore more targets and more catches and therefore more yards.....see how this works?

 

You brought that others have better % than Davis on the Bills.  Adams with  his new team/bad QB is their #3 in catch %.  

 

I didn't bring up catch %, but I have been responding to it.

 

Now you're complaining about his YPT "only" going up .4?  The guy is #9 among all WR in the NFL right now!  But, say, since he's not #8, then "he's not getting better"?  That's very persuasive proof!  And throw in the fact that he "only" increased his YPC ( #2 in the NFL) by a paltry 1.3 over the previous 2 years combined----now you really got me!!  Guy's going nowhere!

 

you win!

 

 

 

 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

53 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Yes, he's getting more starts and therefore more targets and more catches and therefore more yards.....see how this works?

 

You brought that others have better % than Davis on the Bills.  Adams with  his new team/bad QB is their #3 in catch %.  

 

I didn't bring up catch %, but I have been responding to it.

 

Now you're complaining about his YPT "only" going up .4?  The guy is #9 among all WR in the NFL right now!  But, say, since he's not #8, then "he's not getting better"?  That's very persuasive proof!  And throw in the fact that he "only" increased his YPC ( #2 in the NFL) by a paltry 1.3 over the previous 2 years combined----now you really got me!!  Guy's going nowhere!

 

you win!

 

 

 

 

 

 Lol, if you go by averages nearly every team in the league has 5 players that have a better catch rate than Davis this year. The very worst 5th man would be 160th(32 teams x 5 players), he's 154th.

 

 As far as ypc, how many 98 yards tds & 3 catch 171 yard games, like the Steelers game, do you see in his future? 21.5% of his yards and 28.6% of his tds on the year, came in that 1 game.

 

 On top of that he benefits greatly from something that I don't believe any #2 WR does in the league. Defenses have been rolling an extra defender to Diggs pretty much all year and teams have been using another defender as a spy on Josh. That's 2 extra defenders in the back 7 that Gabe doesn't have to worry about. He also has 1 of the best QBs throwing to him. He has alot of advantages over most, if not all of the other #2 WRs in the league. He simply needs to win his 1 on 1 battles and catch the ball if it's close.

 

 

 

 

 

[BillsFan4]

I forgot all about this guy.

 

Seems like he’s not getting the offers he wants. I can’t say I blame him for just waiting until free agency if that’s the case. He will likely be the top WR on the market (or close). 

[H2o]

No one is signing OBJ until the 2023 cycle at this point. They keep trying to throw Dallas out there, but Jerry isn't handing cash to someone who will not even work out. OBJ's just playing his own little game right now and trying to keep a little bit of spotlight on himself. Those prima-donna types feed off of it. 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Lol, if you go by averages nearly every team in the league has 5 players that have a better catch rate than Davis this year. The very worst 5th man would be 160th(32 teams x 5 players), he's 154th.

 

 As far as ypc, how many 98 yards tds & 3 catch 171 yard games, like the Steelers game, do you see in his future? 21.5% of his yards and 28.6% of his tds on the year, came in that 1 game.

 

 On top of that he benefits greatly from something that I don't believe any #2 WR does in the league. Defenses have been rolling an extra defender to Diggs pretty much all year and teams have been using another defender as a spy on Josh. That's 2 extra defenders in the back 7 that Gabe doesn't have to worry about. He also has 1 of the best QBs throwing to him. He has alot of advantages over most, if not all of the other #2 WRs in the league. He simply needs to win his 1 on 1 battles and catch the ball if it's close.

 

 

 

 

 

but but, it’s not about catch %, right? 
 

yeah anyway…how many more big yard catches will he have?  Hmmm, well his career average is 17 YPC so, probably more to come.  
 

 

[LeGOATski]

7 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Agree, but also think OBJ was hoping to pick up some pocket change for this season.  But that doesn't appear to be working out for him.  He could always try a Go Fund Me page!

Getting the max contract was definitely the goal. By doing it now, he had more leverage against a desperate team and less competition than he would in FA next year.

[wppete]

14 hours ago, balln said:

End the thread!

Can’t end yet. He is still out there and could be a possibility for a playoff run. You never know!

[Nextmanup]

2 hours ago, wppete said:

Can’t end yet. He is still out there and could be a possibility for a playoff run. You never know!

It COULD happen, but at this point I would say it is looking like he won't play for anyone this year, and definitely NOT the Bills...which disappoints me!  But if they were going to do a deal with this guy, wouldn't the deal be done by NOW?  

 

 

 

[wppete]

6 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

It COULD happen, but at this point I would say it is looking like he won't play for anyone this year, and definitely NOT the Bills...which disappoints me!  But if they were going to do a deal with this guy, wouldn't the deal be done by NOW?  

 

 

 

I starting to think he will be a Bill or Chief for a playoff run. $1million for a playoff run.