Running Backs Being a Dime a Dozen ??

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Look at Bills OL and YES they would not be any better than Singletary 

 

 

Wow.  All you have to do is look at the Chiefs and the Bills.  That's damning. 

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

More like 12 million a dozen…

[Rochesterfan]

48 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

This is the wrong conclusion. Pierce being a 4th Rd RB doesn't prove that RBs are a dime a dozen - it proves that NFL FOs have no clue how to evaluate RBs int he modern NFL. If you did a redraft today, he'd go in the 1st round.

It's true, there are a virtually endless pile of backs that you can hand the ball off to and have them plod for a 3.0 AYC. When it comes to special backs, they're just as rare now as they've ever been - maybe more because it isn't a position in demand. With more and more WRs taking their carries and sometimes their jobs outright, maybe the true workhorse RB dies for good.

 

 

So are our RBs good or bad?

 

Singletary over 4YPC this year and career over 4.7 YPC

Moss - 5.3 YPC for the season

Cook - 5.2 YPC for the season.

 

They have better YPC than Pierce and are right in line with Hall and better than Jacobs career - although with the #1 run blocking line he is having a better year and all of that has gotten LV 1 win.

 

Give me the better QB.

 

[Perry Turtle]

The Bills running backs had 11 total carries against the Steelers in a game that was over in the 3rd quarter.  Each RB averaged 7 ypc.

 

Hell, Keenum threw the ball 5 times, while Cook carried it only 4 times.  And Cook has actually looked good the few times he carried the ball.

 

The Bills spent almost 25 years looking for a franchise QB, and now that they have him, they're not building an offense that gives a running back 20+ carries a game.

 

Daboll recognized this and Dorsey recognizes this.  The Bills are bad at running the ball?  Well that would mean something if they actually tried to run the ball.  At this point in Allen's career, the ball is staying in his hands.  RBs are nothing more supporting players in their offense.  Trade for CMC?  Sure he'll look awesome with his 8 carries a game. 

 

[JoshAllin]

Come on 26 carries for pierce? Would you rather the bills rb get in this type of rhythm or Josh and the wr's in the passing game get rhythm all game. The bills rb are not there to run the ball in case you haven't heard they're there for the illusion of a run game

[Nextmanup]

I can't believe that people still want to talk about running the football.

 

[njbuff]

Maybe it is just high time to say............

 

"With a QB like Josh Allen, you really don't need a running game"

[BullBuchanan]

22 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

So are our RBs good or bad?

 

Singletary over 4YPC this year and career over 4.7 YPC

Moss - 5.3 YPC for the season

Cook - 5.2 YPC for the season.

 

They have better YPC than Pierce and are right in line with Hall and better than Jacobs career - although with the #1 run blocking line he is having a better year and all of that has gotten LV 1 win.

 

Give me the better QB.

 

I mean duh...

YPC is a vanity metric. In isolation over a 5 game span it tells you nothing besides how many yards per carry you're getting with a player. It doesn't tell yout he how or why, which is far more useful in being able to predict the stats of other players or the same players with different inputs.

I'm not trading for McCaffery to get 1-2 more YPC. I'm trading for him hoping that I can increase the explosive plays that I generate from my offense. We already do well there overall, but we aren't very good at it from the RB position, especially early in games. If we could rely on a RB to spur our breakout instead of having to rely on Allen, it would be another dimension to our offense that also mitigates our risk when Allen isn't having a 5 star day.

[CheshireCT]

18 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I can't believe that people still want to talk about running the football.

 

agreed. it's just because the media keeps poking at our running game because there's nothing to criticize. 

 

this team just needs to be able to run the ball when they have to. and as much as it would be wonderful luxury to have some elite running back added on this team, you just can't have it all. and said elite RB would likely be disgruntled and ask for a trade with his 5 carries per game.

[Rhode Island Red]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Nobody just pushes another team off the ball all game,   there has to be legitimate uncertainty in the mind of the defense and enough time between the snap (…AND WHAT??, the moment the RB does what??) to get them to commit.   You don't get that out of the gun.    For a while RPO's gave teams that but they aren't as effective any longer.   

 

 

I’m pretty sure you left out a crucial element of that sentence, am I wrong?

 

I stuck my question in there with a few CAPS, haven’t figured out how to bold when I’m on this phone yet…

Edited October 11, 2022 by Rhode Island Red

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I mean duh...

YPC is a vanity metric. In isolation over a 5 game span it tells you nothing besides how many yards per carry you're getting with a player. It doesn't tell yout he how or why, which is far more useful in being able to predict the stats of other players or the same players with different inputs.

I'm not trading for McCaffery to get 1-2 more YPC. I'm trading for him hoping that I can increase the explosive plays that I generate from my offense. We already do well there overall, but we aren't very good at it from the RB position, especially early in games. If we could rely on a RB to spur our breakout instead of having to rely on Allen, it would be another dimension to our offense that also mitigates our risk when Allen isn't having a 5 star day.

I want an RB that single handedly makes 3rd and 3  a running down likely to succeed.  Short of that, I don't see a need. 

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, Chaos said:

I want an RB that single handedly makes 3rd and 3  a running down likely to succeed.  Short of that, I don't see a need. 

 

 

If they know you're rushing? I think that Guy's name is Derrick Henry. Other than that, I don't think people do that very much anymore.

Josh Jacobs was having a great go of it yesterday with a career day and McDaniels chose a hail mary on 4th & 1 😅

[Chaos]

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

If they know you're rushing? I think that Guy's name is Derrick Henry. Other than that, I don't think people do that very much anymore.

Josh Jacobs was having a great go of it yesterday with a career day and McDaniels chose a hail mary on 4th & 1 😅

Well, if Derrick Henry is the only one that can do that, and I can't have Derrick Henry, then I guess I don't care what position my playmakers play.  I would rather have the closest thing to Travis Kelce available over McCafferty or Barkley. 

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, Chaos said:

Well, if Derrick Henry is the only one that can do that, and I can't have Derrick Henry, then I guess I don't care what position my playmakers play.  I would rather have the closest thing to Travis Kelce available over McCafferty or Barkley. 

We have Travis Kelce at home. His name is Dawson and you'll like it.

I too would love to have the 1st-5th best TE to ever play the game.

[Chaos]

15 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

We have Travis Kelce at home. His name is Dawson and you'll like it.

I too would love to have the 1st-5th best TE to ever play the game.

Knox is good. But he is to Travis Kelce as Jimmy Garipola is too Josh Allen. 

[Mr. WEO]

the saying is "a dime a dozen 3rd round picks"

[Maine-iac]

The single biggest difference in our running game would appear to be Diggs.  The year he showed up we started throwing over 600 times a year and started running it closer to 400 times a year which is about 100 less carries and 100 more passes.  That said we also are scoring a lot more points so it's hard to argue with it.  I just would like see a commitment to running and closing out games to keep our WR's and QB healthy and keep carrying the ball enough that we don't become 100 percent predictable.

[Mikie2times]

It's just a bad investment. Well past 30 excellent RB's exist on this earth. Only a couple exist that truly change the game. So you're essentially playing a game of not trying to get a "hit" but trying to get a homerun. Then within that, how long of time do you get with this player if you do get a HR? They decline so rapidly and are so injury prone. It's really not just a bad investment, it's an awful one. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yeah, agree with this.  We both don't call many run plays and also don't run an offense where traditional run plays are ran from.  And we have still scored the most points in the NFL despite missing Davis (and him playing hurt in other games), Knox, McKenzie, and 5 of our OL at various times this year.  When our team is healthy, its playing at an unstoppable level right now, and people want to change that and take the ball out of Allens hands more, and I don't understand why.  

 

What we need is better play calling at times on short yardage...if they can clean that up, this offense has no flaws.   

 

On a side note...What is weird to me, is people will see us run with success multiple times in a game, but just focus on the couple runs that didn't work and then throw the whole run game under the bus as if its a disaster too.  Like no RB or team has success on every attempt.  But here, the board magnifies the ones that don't work and ignores that we actually run plenty of other times where we chewed big chunks or first downs.

 

 

 

The highlighted is THE THING.   It's working and Josh likes it.   I'd love it if he could get under center and run traditional play action because he would have receivers open in the intermediate and deep all game.   But Josh likes to face the defense all the time and he more than makes up for the lack of a reliable traditional running game by making spectacular throws and gashing teams with big runs.

 

I think eventually he'd benefit greatly by stepping out of his comfort zone and getting under center a lot more......this offense moves the chains and puts up points but the Pittsburgh game was unusual with all the big plays.......there are too many small plays with this style of offense and that puts a lot of mileage on him and the receivers in particular.   The Miami game was an extreme example, but it underscores the issue with this style.  That's why he averaged just 6.8 ypa last season.......a number far too low for his talents.  

 

But this season they need to be all in on winning every possible game and getting homefield so Josh being comfortable is job #1.   Next season the roster will not be as strong but if they have rings to show for this season they might not need to be as desperate for home field.

 

What's weird to ME.........when the Bills were leading the NFL in rushing AND big plays and were a high scoring offense with very little money invested in it under Tyrod Taylor..........people focused on the passing inefficiencies and there was a surprising lack of love for what they were doing on the ground.    When you have a QB like that who averages 6.5 ypa and your RB's average a relatively absurd 5.5.........you have a compelling argument to keep running the football.    You can't throw a TD pass when you've already run it in from 20 yards out.    When your QB averages 8.0+ yards per attempt......as Allen is now and should ALWAYS be......... I don't care if you have Jim Brown in his prime you are better off being very imbalanced in favor of the pass.

[Teddy KGB]

I think they run closer to 700k than a dime