Running Backs Being a Dime a Dozen ??

[T master]

We have heard from the Experts & some here that feel that running backs are a dime a dozen they say you can basically plug in any running back into any system & it's the system or scheme that determines how good the running game will be the individual talent of the back has little or nothing to do with the out come of that stat or performance of that part of the team .

 

I beg to differ ! This year there are a few running backs that i would love to see in a Bills uni there out put each week would be a welcome sight & would make this team almost unstoppable .

 

There were a few running backs this week that despite not having a really good O line made their run games much better just by their individual talent . Some here say our run game is bad because of the O line play these guys made it happen despite their O lines short comings .

 

Josh Jacobs for the Raiders had 21 carries this week for 154 yds & 1 TD that's 7.3 ypc .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFya5KRQguE week 4 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFya5KRQguE week 5

 

Breece Hall of the Jets had 18 carries for 97 yds & 1 TD that's 5.4 ypc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFya5KRQguE

 

Dameon Peirce of the Texans had 26 carries for 99 yds & a TD and he made 17 people miss after contact & pulled out of the tackle 

 

Can you imagine either one of these backs behind Josh as a complimentary back with Motor other than Moss ? If every time the Bills needed to run they could depend on this type of out put even if as some here say the lack of O line play .

 

I have always thought that the "Experts" say that running backs are a dime a dozen is pretty much B S ! There are those backs out there that have above average talent & if we had gotten one say a AJ Dillion, or took Breece Hall when he was there or i liked Brian Robison our run game would be much better because these guys are worth at least .50 a dozen .

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Decent RBs are a dime a dozen.

 

Good RBs are common.

 

Game Changers are rare. 

[Airseven]

RBs are not a dime-a-dozen, and Bills absolutely must figure out the run game/OL in order to execute in the playoffs. Go-patterns and blow-outs are fun in the regular season, but the team still has that soft underbelly. 

 

It should also be said the Bills RBs, specifically, are a dime-a-dozen which is part of the problem.   

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, T master said:

We have heard from the Experts & some here that feel that running backs are a dime a dozen they say you can basically plug in any running back into any system & it's the system or scheme that determines how good the running game will be the individual talent of the back has little or nothing to do with the out come of that stat or performance of that part of the team .

 

I beg to differ ! This year there are a few running backs that i would love to see in a Bills uni there out put each week would be a welcome sight & would make this team almost unstoppable .

 

There were a few running backs this week that despite not having a really good O line made their run games much better just by their individual talent . Some here say our run game is bad because of the O line play these guys made it happen despite their O lines short comings .

 

Josh Jacobs for the Raiders had 21 carries this week for 154 yds & 1 TD that's 7.3 ypc .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFya5KRQguE week 4 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFya5KRQguE week 5

 

Breece Hall of the Jets had 18 carries for 97 yds & 1 TD that's 5.4 ypc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFya5KRQguE

 

Dameon Peirce of the Texans had 26 carries for 99 yds & a TD and he made 17 people miss after contact & pulled out of the tackle 

 

Can you imagine either one of these backs behind Josh as a complimentary back with Motor other than Moss ? If every time the Bills needed to run they could depend on this type of out put even if as some here say the lack of O line play .

 

I have always thought that the "Experts" say that running backs are a dime a dozen is pretty much B S ! There are those backs out there that have above average talent & if we had gotten one say a AJ Dillion, or took Breece Hall when he was there or i liked Brian Robison our run game would be much better because these guys are worth at least .50 a dozen .

Umm pierce was a 4th round selection proving they are a dime a dozen … they are in every round 

 

There’s a lot of talent that the running back spot in the NFL

 

Hall of Fame running backs are rare… There’s a lot of good running backs

Edited October 11, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Gugny]

It's all about the O line.

 

Ours sucks.

 

Edited October 11, 2022 by Gugny

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Decent RBs are a dime a dozen.

 

Good RBs are common.

 

Game Changers are rare. 

 

….and some people don’t know where to draw those lines. One or two good games does not make you elite. Let us not forget, Singletary has a career average of 4.7 yards per carry. That is not too shabby, yet he gets dumped on by so many here. He is NOT elite, but he’s good enough to be a successful RB for our team. 

 

Personally, I’m hoping Kromer wins MVC (Most Valuable Coach) and makes the running game a serious threat. Not our identity, but a viable option. 

[Billz4ever]

16 minutes ago, T master said:

We have heard from the Experts & some here that feel that running backs are a dime a dozen they say you can basically plug in any running back into any system & it's the system or scheme that determines how good the running game will be the individual talent of the back has little or nothing to do with the out come of that stat or performance of that part of the team .

 

I beg to differ ! This year there are a few running backs that i would love to see in a Bills uni there out put each week would be a welcome sight & would make this team almost unstoppable .

 

There were a few running backs this week that despite not having a really good O line made their run games much better just by their individual talent . Some here say our run game is bad because of the O line play these guys made it happen despite their O lines short comings .

 

Josh Jacobs for the Raiders had 21 carries this week for 154 yds & 1 TD that's 7.3 ypc .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFya5KRQguE week 4 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFya5KRQguE week 5

 

Breece Hall of the Jets had 18 carries for 97 yds & 1 TD that's 5.4 ypc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFya5KRQguE

 

Dameon Peirce of the Texans had 26 carries for 99 yds & a TD and he made 17 people miss after contact & pulled out of the tackle 

 

Can you imagine either one of these backs behind Josh as a complimentary back with Motor other than Moss ? If every time the Bills needed to run they could depend on this type of out put even if as some here say the lack of O line play .

 

I have always thought that the "Experts" say that running backs are a dime a dozen is pretty much B S ! There are those backs out there that have above average talent & if we had gotten one say a AJ Dillion, or took Breece Hall when he was there or i liked Brian Robison our run game would be much better because these guys are worth at least .50 a dozen .

We have the worst run block win % in the entire league (65%).  The RBs aren't the problem.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34536376/2022-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams#rbwrteam

Edited October 11, 2022 by Billz4ever

[JoPoy88]

12 minutes ago, T master said:

We have heard from the Experts & some here that feel that running backs are a dime a dozen they say you can basically plug in any running back into any system & it's the system or scheme that determines how good the running game will be the individual talent of the back has little or nothing to do with the out come of that stat or performance of that part of the team .

 

I beg to differ ! This year there are a few running backs that i would love to see in a Bills uni there out put each week would be a welcome sight & would make this team almost unstoppable .

 

There were a few running backs this week that despite not having a really good O line made their run games much better just by their individual talent . Some here say our run game is bad because of the O line play these guys made it happen despite their O lines short comings .

 

Josh Jacobs for the Raiders had 21 carries this week for 154 yds & 1 TD that's 7.3 ypc .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFya5KRQguE week 4 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFya5KRQguE week 5

 

Breece Hall of the Jets had 18 carries for 97 yds & 1 TD that's 5.4 ypc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFya5KRQguE

 

Dameon Peirce of the Texans had 26 carries for 99 yds & a TD and he made 17 people miss after contact & pulled out of the tackle 

 

Can you imagine either one of these backs behind Josh as a complimentary back with Motor other than Moss ? If every time the Bills needed to run they could depend on this type of out put even if as some here say the lack of O line play .

 

I have always thought that the "Experts" say that running backs are a dime a dozen is pretty much B S ! There are those backs out there that have above average talent & if we had gotten one say a AJ Dillion, or took Breece Hall when he was there or i liked Brian Robison our run game would be much better because these guys are worth at least .50 a dozen .

so in mocking the “experts” your sample size is 4 games from 3 guys. Convincing!

 

Josh Jacobs is so good that Vegas didn’t bother picking up his option year…

[Maine-iac]

When was the last time any Bill's back had 18 plus carries in a game?  People list off production of backs around the league but they are all getting enough carries to actually have production.  There are plenty of statistics to say if our backs actually got more carries they would have good production but we don't hand the ball off.  Even when we are crushing teams we don't run the ball.  So what would any of these other backs be putting up for numbers here when they are only carrying the ball 8 to 10 times a game?

[Einstein]

10 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Decent RBs are a dime a dozen.

 

Good RBs are common.

 

Game Changers are rare. 

 

Well said.

[mushypeaches]

I like watching our team win by being real good at throwing the ball

 

If anyone wants to pine for the days of having Antowain Smith, Shawn Bryson, Travis Henry, Willis Mcgahee, Marshawn Lynch, Fred Jackson, CJ Spiller, and Lesean McCoy try to get us to 9-7 winning ballgames 20-17, there's a whole archive of games out on YouTube for you to check out

[T master]

7 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

When was the last time any Bill's back had 18 plus carries in a game?  People list off production of backs around the league but they are all getting enough carries to actually have production.  There are plenty of statistics to say if our backs actually got more carries they would have good production but we don't hand the ball off.  Even when we are crushing teams we don't run the ball.  So what would any of these other backs be putting up for numbers here when they are only carrying the ball 8 to 10 times a game?

 

Good point ! But there will come a time when we need it i feel then we will be wishing we had better .

[gobills404]

The Raiders and Jets don't have have bad O-lines though....

 

Run block win rate rankings per ESPN:

Raiders - 2nd

Jets - 12th

Texans - 31st

Bills - 32nd

 

Yards per carry:

Jacobs - 5.4

Hall - 4.9

Pierce - 4.8

Bills RBs - 4.7

 

Nearly a perfect correlation.

 

 

[Rc2catch]

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When do we ever see anyone get that many carries in a game for Buffalo to get those stats? Singletary highest total is 11 attempts and we’ve had blowout games and still don’t run much. 

Running back is a plug and play position. Elite is elite and there’s not many of those, but you should be able to get production from almost anyone especially in a committee approach. Greg Roman could probably get 80 yards out of Ricard if they had to run him 20 times in a game and he’s 300 pounds. 
I’m a firm believer if you want to run the ball you have to have some commitment to it. For what Buffalo does they probably do need an elite back for stats cause they have to put up numbers on less than 10 attempts a game. 
If we ran pierce 26 times for 99 yards people would lose their sh** we took the ball out of Allen’s hands that much. 

[ColoradoBills]

I got a 25-cent piece for 2 good ones if Beane needs it.  That's 12 1/5 cents for each one. 

 

 

Seriously, in today's football a pure "running back" as we knew it has lost its importance.

That doesn't mean the position has.  It's just changed.

 

I'll use the old term "half back".  Teams in today's football need a player(s) that can:

 

Get you 2 yards when you need it.

Catch check downs and swing passes.

Block for your QB.

Have some speed to stretch the D horizontally or take it to the house.

Juke and break tackles for some big gains.

Line up as a WR to cause mismatches.

Give you some special teams worth.

 

That's what you want from the position.  Having all that in one player is rare, risky and expensive.

Teams need a minimum to 2 guys who can fill those needs.

It's not easy to find 2 guys that can do that consistently and are fairly cost efficient.

 

Bottom line, it's still an important need.

[BADOLBILZ]

 

How many decades of proof do people need to actually learn that the quality of your RB matters little to your win-loss results.

 

Breece Hall has the game of his life and gets 197 total yards on 20 touches...........Gabe Davis almost produced that much on just 3.       

 

And how does Devin Singletary average 4.7 yards per carry for his career and knuckleheads are still trying to tell us how much better that backs with much lower production per play than him are........like Josh Jacobs(4.3) for example.

 

[Alphadawg7]

40 minutes ago, T master said:

We have heard from the Experts & some here that feel that running backs are a dime a dozen they say you can basically plug in any running back into any system & it's the system or scheme that determines how good the running game will be the individual talent of the back has little or nothing to do with the out come of that stat or performance of that part of the team .

 

I beg to differ ! This year there are a few running backs that i would love to see in a Bills uni there out put each week would be a welcome sight & would make this team almost unstoppable .

 

There were a few running backs this week that despite not having a really good O line made their run games much better just by their individual talent . Some here say our run game is bad because of the O line play these guys made it happen despite their O lines short comings .

 

Josh Jacobs for the Raiders had 21 carries this week for 154 yds & 1 TD that's 7.3 ypc .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFya5KRQguE week 4 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFya5KRQguE week 5

 

Breece Hall of the Jets had 18 carries for 97 yds & 1 TD that's 5.4 ypc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFya5KRQguE

 

Dameon Peirce of the Texans had 26 carries for 99 yds & a TD and he made 17 people miss after contact & pulled out of the tackle 

 

Can you imagine either one of these backs behind Josh as a complimentary back with Motor other than Moss ? If every time the Bills needed to run they could depend on this type of out put even if as some here say the lack of O line play .

 

I have always thought that the "Experts" say that running backs are a dime a dozen is pretty much B S ! There are those backs out there that have above average talent & if we had gotten one say a AJ Dillion, or took Breece Hall when he was there or i liked Brian Robison our run game would be much better because these guys are worth at least .50 a dozen .

 

You cant run the ball if you don't call running plays.  

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

How many decades of proof do people need to actually learn that the quality of your RB matters little to your win-loss results.

 

Breece Hall has the game of his life and gets 197 total yards on 20 touches...........Gabe Davis almost produced that much on just 3.       

 

And how does Devin Singletary average 4.7 yards per carry for his career and knuckleheads are still trying to tell us how much better that backs with much lower production per play than him are........like Josh Jacobs(4.3) for example.

 

 

I disagree as I just said in my post above yours.

RBs that rush a ton of carries is the thing that is outdated.

A player that can do the things that are "needed" is still important.

[LABILLBACKER]

56 minutes ago, Gugny said:

It's all about the O line.

 

Ours sucks.

 

Let's just agree both the RB's and OL suck collectively. We have to do a better from our scouts on these 2 areas. We can't afford wasting top picks on guys like Ford, Moss etc.

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You cant run the ball if you don't call running plays.  

 

 

The single biggest reason the Bills don't run the ball more effectively is because Josh Allen prefers to play out of the shotgun.    

 

So the people who are constantly complaining about the running game should blame Josh and demand he changes or shut up.

 

I wouldn't mind them doing more of that..........I am not a big fan of spread offense football........but that's not what Allen is right now.........he's not as comfortable under center and turning his back to the defense for traditional play action.    

 

Nobody just pushes another team off the ball all game,   there has to be legitimate uncertainty in the mind of the defense and enough time between the snap and the handoff/fake to get them to commit.   You don't get that out of the gun.    For a while RPO's gave teams that but they aren't as effective any longer.   

 

 

Edited October 11, 2022 by BADOLBILZ