phypon Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Not a good look to MAGA's like you. To normal people, the fact that so many of trump's staff including "my generals" are warning against him ever being prez again catches attention. Fortunately only about of 1/3 of voters drink the kool aid like you do. Still way too many looneys out there. Yeah, you can say that again. You're one of them dude. Keep stacking support from war criminals. Let's see how that works out for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 minute ago, phypon said: Yeah, you can say that again. You're one of them dude. Keep stacking support from war criminals. Let's see how that works out for you. who among the 200 are war criminals? one of trump's generals? be specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said: who among the 200 are war criminals? one of trump's generals? be specific. Really? You really don't get it? You really don't comprehend? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 5 minutes ago, phypon said: Let's see how that works out for you I'm feeling pretty good but it's still too close because of moron maggots https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 7 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I'm feeling pretty good but it's still too close because of moron maggots https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/ Oh, the poll thing again. You can find any poll to suit your narrative. Here is the most popular one that people are using today. i really don't believe any poll at this point to be honest, but here ya go: https://polymarket.com/elections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 14 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: None of this endorsement stuff matters. No one cares. Tulsi Gabbard does not have a passionate group of supporters who weren't already voting for Trump. Her support, such as it is, comes from the alt media obsessed Trump wing already. "alt media obsessed" is a great description. "fools" is more concise. Either is apt. 2 minutes ago, phypon said: Oh, the poll thing again. You can find any poll to suit your narrative. Here is the most popular one that people are using today. i really don't believe any poll at this point to be honest, but here ya go: https://polymarket.com/elections I've seen it. you maga's always choose this betting site. it's clearly a mega fav. i prefer polls of polls https://www.realclearpolling.com/betting-odds/2024/president Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 3 minutes ago, phypon said: Oh, the poll thing again. You can find any poll to suit your narrative. Here is the most popular one that people are using today. i really don't believe any poll at this point to be honest, but here ya go: https://polymarket.com/elections I don't believe in the polls either. 2016 was proof of that. Everyone thought Hillary was going to win. It was a slam dunk guarantee by those accurate "polls". Look how that turned out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 4 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I've seen it. you maga's always choose this betting site. it's clearly a mega fav. i prefer polls of polls https://www.realclearpolling.com/betting-odds/2024/president "polls of polls"? Good god, man! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 minute ago, Gregg said: I don't believe in the polls either. 2016 was proof of that. Everyone thought Hillary was going to win. It was a slam dunk guarantee by those accurate "polls". Look how that turned out. she did win the popular vote by a great deal. but R's still had pride and self respect in 2016. they didn't want to admit to a pollster that they supported this shite. now they've lost whatever decency there once was. the polls should be more sensitive and specific now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 8 minutes ago, phypon said: "polls of polls"? Good god, man! lol from a recent Time article on how to read polls: This is where polling averages like those run by Real Clear Politics can be useful in tracking trends and momentum. But data nerds warn against making too much of them. It would be wrong to try to chart changes between a February CNN poll and a March Fox News poll. They ask the questions differently. Their back-end formula for weighing voting universes is different. It’s the kitchen equivalent of tracking the sweetness of sugar and flour just because they come from similar bags. That said, plenty of us do look at so-called polls of polls. But like all opinion surveys, it’s helpful to remember that they should never be taken as predictive and that they’re already out-of-date by the time the data are released. It's not a novel term. Perhaps it isn't used on alt right sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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All_Pro_Bills Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 9 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: she did win the popular vote by a great deal. but R's still had pride and self respect in 2016. they didn't want to admit to a pollster that they supported this shite. now they've lost whatever decency there once was. the polls should be more sensitive and specific now. Are you calling on some professional expertise with defining sample populations that represent the target population in a statistically significant and accurate way to support your conclusions? Such as political polls or clinical trial subject groups. Not criticism, just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 8 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: she did win the popular vote by a great deal. but R's still had pride and self respect in 2016. they didn't want to admit to a pollster that they supported this shite. now they've lost whatever decency there once was. the polls should be more sensitive and specific now. I think you can make the case that both parties have gone off the rails either with the extreme left or right. Most sensible people want a government that is more to the center. You can lean liberal or conservative and that is OK if your beliefs are near the center where comprise takes place between the D' and R's and that leads to solutions that have helped the American people. We seem to have lost that over the years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: from a recent Time article on how to read polls: This is where polling averages like those run by Real Clear Politics can be useful in tracking trends and momentum. But data nerds warn against making too much of them. It would be wrong to try to chart changes between a February CNN poll and a March Fox News poll. They ask the questions differently. Their back-end formula for weighing voting universes is different. It’s the kitchen equivalent of tracking the sweetness of sugar and flour just because they come from similar bags. That said, plenty of us do look at so-called polls of polls. But like all opinion surveys, it’s helpful to remember that they should never be taken as predictive and that they’re already out-of-date by the time the data are released. It's not a novel term. Perhaps it isn't used on alt right sites. Your polls of polls aren't doing anything for you. Perhaps only MSM uses them as propaganda. Keep falling for the charade if you want to in order make you feel better. You're relying on a product when the manufacturer is telling it doesn't work, yet you still buy it. Good luck with that. By all means, as you're literally telling us of your own accord that polls don't work, keep pushing it and try to tell us that polls work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 27 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Are you calling on some professional expertise with defining sample populations that represent the target population in a statistically significant and accurate way to support your conclusions? Such as political polls or clinical trial subject groups. Not criticism, just curious. It's a theory. there are others from Pew research: Some have also suggested that many of those who were polled simply were not honest about whom they intended to vote for. The idea of so-called “shy Trumpers” suggests that support for Trump was socially undesirable, and that his supporters were unwilling to admit their support to pollsters. This hypothesis is reminiscent of the supposed “Bradley effect,” when Democrat Tom Bradley, the black mayor of Los Angeles, lost the 1982 California gubernatorial election to Republican George Deukmejian despite having been ahead in the polls, supposedly because voters were reluctant to tell interviewers that they were not going to vote for a black candidate. The “shy Trumper” hypothesis has received a fair amount of attention this year. If this were the case, we would expect to see Trump perform systematically better in online surveys, as research has found that people are less likely to report socially undesirable behavior when they are talking to a live interviewer. Politico and Morning Consult conducted an experiment to see if this was the case, and found that overall, there was little indication of an effect, though they did find some suggestion that college-educated and higher-income voters might have been more likely to support Trump online. 26 minutes ago, phypon said: Your polls of polls aren't doing anything for you. Perhaps only MSM uses them as propaganda. Keep falling for the charade if you want to in order make you feel better. You're relying on a product when the manufacturer is telling it doesn't work, yet you still buy it. Good luck with that. By all means, as you're literally telling us of your own accord that polls don't work, keep pushing it and try to tell us that polls work. Polls are an important part of any political campaign. Biden was persuaded to quit because of them. they highlight trends, not absolutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Polls are an important part of any political campaign. Biden was persuaded to quit because of them. they highlight trends, not absolutes. No, Biden was forced out because he has dementia which was on full display and could no longer be ignored and everyone knew it. He was doing fine in the polls (just as good as Harris). Not only that, both he and Trump said they look at polling but don't consider them an absolute. While agree with your statement about polls not being absolutes, the polls were not the reason for Biden's exit. Also, using polling data to change a candidate last minute who was not voted for is an abysmal injustice and disenfranchises voters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 8 minutes ago, phypon said: No, Biden was forced out because he has dementia which was on full display and could no longer be ignored and everyone knew it. He was doing fine in the polls (just as good as Harris). Not only that, both he and Trump said they look at polling but don't consider them an absolute. While agree with your statement about polls not being absolutes, the polls were not the reason for Biden's exit. Also, using polling data to change a candidate last minute who was not voted for is an abysmal injustice and disenfranchises voters. The polls were, at best, a symptom of the problem, which was absolutely Biden's cognitive decline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMB 8888 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 This poll discussions are the saddest dick measuring contest I’ve ever seen…go phone bank or something for your candidate, put some action in and do something useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 10 minutes ago, phypon said: He was doing fine in the polls (just as good as Harris). factually incorrect. do some "research". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 9 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: factually incorrect. do some "research". I did do research. I just did it for you. Clearly you haven't done any "research". Go back to June, before the debate, very close. Also, it's from a site you approve of (you linked to it yourself): https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/ Also, since PolyMarket has Trump ahead right now, should Kumalot be replaced? I mean, it's only been a week since the DNC made it official. Her polling is down, so why not do some focus groups with Beyonce or someone and if they poll better, replace Kumalot, right? If you haven't watched the show from Amazon "The Boys", you should. It's all about ratings, not policy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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