Week 6: Bills at CHIEFS 10/16 4:25pm

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Master of the obvious and it needs to be stated and my bad if someone has stated this before and I missed it.

 

The Chiefs have scored more points than the Bills (159-152) and Mahomes has thrown more TDs than Allen (15-14), which I have seen both items brought up nationally in talking points.  ( "As good as the Bills are the Chiefs have scored more points." yada, yada, yada "Allen is #2 in TD passes, but look who is #1!")

 

What they don't bring up is that Allen has played 2 less quarters than Mahomes through five games due to the un. merciful.  bludgeoning.  of two of the teams they played this season.

 

...again, through five games.

 

 

 

Throw all the QB stats out. It means nothing! Obviously, the two QBs are elite. This is about a great game plan, adjustments, and execution. 

Edited October 13, 2022 by newcam2012

[Straight Hucklebuck]

13 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

 

Really nice post. For the most part I agree with your post. I wouldn't go as far to say the Bills are the "superior team" this year. I do believe that the Bills are the better team talent wise and on paper. However, I don't think the gap is huge. For example, the difference between Buffalo and Pittsburg was huge for obvious reasons. The KC team led by Mahomes is more than capable of beating the Bills. This game is most likely a dogfight til the end. Most seasonal football fans and experts don't see a blowout for Buffalo. 

KC just has a high gear.

 

We saw this against the Raiders. 

 

You can outplay them, but I think we all knew, once the Chiefs scored that first TD to make it 17-7, they weren't going to be stopped the rest of the night. 

 

Certainly at 20-10 I knew the Raiders were going to lose. 

[newcam2012]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

KC just has a high gear.

 

We saw this against the Raiders. 

 

You can outplay them, but I think we all knew, once the Chiefs scored that first TD to make it 17-7, they weren't going to be stopped the rest of the night. 

 

Certainly at 20-10 I knew the Raiders were going to lose. 

I felt the same way even when it was 17-0. However, lots of my thinking was because it was the Raiders too. 

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

Just now, newcam2012 said:

I felt the same way even when it was 17-0. However, lots of my thinking was because it was the Raiders too. 

Raiders needed to go for it on 4th and 1 or 2 rather kicking that first field goal. It was worth it to go up 21-0.

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

If McD and Frazier go into this game with the same gameplan from last year I am going to be supremely disappointed.  Need to play them the way we played the Ravens in the second half.....Bills contained Lamar, stopped the run and took away the TE and let the DB's and Safety's do their thing. 

 

Its going to be huge not having to worry about Tyreek....Besides....we already played Tyreek this year and kept him in check then.

 

Bills by 40 

[Low Positive]

19 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

KC just has a high gear.

 

We saw this against the Raiders. 

 

You can outplay them, but I think we all knew, once the Chiefs scored that first TD to make it 17-7, they weren't going to be stopped the rest of the night. 

 

Certainly at 20-10 I knew the Raiders were going to lose. 

I'm not going to argue that the Chiefs are not a great team, but It wasn't like the Chiefs blew the doors off of them after finding the higher gear. The 1-3 Raiders forced them to punt at the end of the game and had the chance to drive to kick the game winner. They got all the way to the LV 47. If Adams doesn't bobble that ball, the Raiders win that game. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

14 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

If McD and Frazier go into this game with the same gameplan from last year I am going to be supremely disappointed.  Need to play them the way we played the Ravens in the second half.....Bills contained Lamar, stopped the run and took away the TE and let the DB's and Safety's do their thing. 

 

Its going to be huge not having to worry about Tyreek....Besides....we already played Tyreek this year and kept him in check then.

 

Bills by 40 

Can they stop Kelce?

[aristocrat]

20 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

KC just has a high gear.

 

We saw this against the Raiders. 

 

You can outplay them, but I think we all knew, once the Chiefs scored that first TD to make it 17-7, they weren't going to be stopped the rest of the night. 

 

Certainly at 20-10 I knew the Raiders were going to lose. 

when the raiders kicked gf 4th and 1 on the 34 it was over for them. Can’t blink 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Just now, FrenchConnection said:

I'm not going to argue that the Chiefs are not a great team, but It wasn't like the Chiefs blew the doors off of them after finding the higher gear. The 1-3 Raiders forced them to punt at the end of the game and had the chance to drive to kick the game winner. They got all the way to the LV 47. If Adams doesn't bobble that ball, the Raiders win that game. 

You're right on that. 

 

Same thing with the Chargers, Herbert doesn't throw a pick-6 there and the Chiefs run out of time most likely. 

 

The Chiefs just scored 24 points from the 2nd Quarter to 3rd Quarter, and once the Raiders had to really score once they were behind they couldn't do this. 

 

Mahomes thrives in these "whoever has the ball last" games. 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

4 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

I'm not going to argue that the Chiefs are not a great team, but It wasn't like the Chiefs blew the doors off of them after finding the higher gear. The 1-3 Raiders forced them to punt at the end of the game and had the chance to drive to kick the game winner. They got all the way to the LV 47. If Adams doesn't bobble that ball, the Raiders win that game. 

You're right on that. 

 

I was shocked the Chiefs were stopped at the 4-minute mark and had to punt the ball away. 

 

We also have to remember the Chiefs missed a FG, and got bailed out by the Raiders on another miss. 

 

End of the 1st-Half was Touchdown - FG - 2nd Half - Touchdown - Touchdown - Touchdown - then the Punt. 

 

It just seems that at some point in the game you're going to have to trade TDs and once again the Raiders weren't up to it. 

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

11 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Can they stop Kelce?

Can the Chiefs secondary stop Diggs, Knox and Davis?

[Greg S]

4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

You're right on that. 

 

I was shocked the Chiefs were stopped at the 4-minute mark and had to punt the ball away. 

 

We also have to remember the Chiefs missed a FG, and got bailed out by the Raiders on another miss. 

 

End of the 1st-Half was Touchdown - FG - 2nd Half - Touchdown - Touchdown - Touchdown - then the Punt. 

 

It just seems that at some point in the game you're going to have to trade TDs and once again the Raiders weren't up to it. 

 

Also to add the Raiders going for the 2 point conversion was dumb at that point in the game. Kick the extra point. There was 4 minutes left. The Raiders were going to have play D so might as well play D with the game tied instead of trailing by one. Who knows how it turns out. Maybe it goes to OT and the Raiders end up winning. We will never know.

[Low Positive]

BTW, here is the rule that the refs called on that Chiefs FG miss: https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/defensive-holding/

 

It's point b here.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

5 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

Can the Chiefs secondary stop Diggs, Knox and Davis?

Diggs I feel confident they can. 

 

He's been a contributor in the Chiefs game, but hasn't produced his usual outside of the 60-yard catch. 

 

Knox hasn't done anything of note this year. 

 

Gabe on the other hand? 

[Beck Water]

31 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Kelce is 33 now, has there been any signs that he is easier to cover? 

 

In a word:

No.

 

He's right on pace for where he was last season.  6-7 receptions per game, 70 Y/G

 

31 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

And to your point, if Mahomes is getting the ball out in less than 2-seconds, I think the most direct path that the Bills can take is to play more man, and press man at that.

 

Who are these Bills CB who are going to excel at press man coverage vs. Kelce?

 

Dane Jackson can not play press man.

 

Tre White can play press man, he is not gonna play.

 

Elam may be able to play press man against KC eventually.  He was drafted to provide that ability with the hope he could develop into a quality off ball corner.  But right now, if you put Elam alone on Kelce I think Kelce will shake him off like your pesky 7 year old sister.

[Warcodered]

54 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

My biggest concern with this matchup is coaching, I still don't trust McD against his former mentor and boss when it really matters and the 13 seconds debacle was a microsm of that.

 

I also wonder about the fact that Mahomes has been great his entire career with varying degrees of talent around him, while the Bills pretty much have needed to assemble a superteam just to have a chance to finally get past KC this year.

 

In the end the 2022 is going to be a defining season for this franchise in that we either finally climb the mountain and throw the chiefs over the side of it on the way, or the realization sets in that the Bills are always going to be 2nd fiddle to the Chiefs and Mahomes as another Brady/Pats situation manifests itself the next 15+ years.

I don't know that 2pt conversion Reid went for against the Raiders was pretty stupid.

[newcam2012]

21 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

You're right on that. 

 

Same thing with the Chargers, Herbert doesn't throw a pick-6 there and the Chiefs run out of time most likely. 

 

The Chiefs just scored 24 points from the 2nd Quarter to 3rd Quarter, and once the Raiders had to really score once they were behind they couldn't do this. 

 

Mahomes thrives in these "whoever has the ball last" games. 

 

I mean who is going to be comfortable if the Bills go up 17-0 in the first quarter? I'll be happy but I'm not going to lie and say I won't be thinking about a probable Chief comeback. 

[Beck Water]

24 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

when the raiders kicked gf 4th and 1 on the 34 it was over for them. Can’t blink 

 

Let's keep in mind that if McDaniels had gone for the kick instead of the failed 2 point conversion, it woulda been a tie game and OT

[newcam2012]

18 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

You're right on that. 

 

I was shocked the Chiefs were stopped at the 4-minute mark and had to punt the ball away. 

 

We also have to remember the Chiefs missed a FG, and got bailed out by the Raiders on another miss. 

 

End of the 1st-Half was Touchdown - FG - 2nd Half - Touchdown - Touchdown - Touchdown - then the Punt. 

 

It just seems that at some point in the game you're going to have to trade TDs and once again the Raiders weren't up to it. 

The Bills aren't the Raiders. Allen and our receivers are more than capable of " lighting up" tTthos Chief defense.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

13 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Can they stop Kelce?

 

 I think, by far, the most important question is do the Chiefs have an answer for Josh, not can the Bills stop Kelce. Through the first 5 weeks the Chiefs have 1,907 total yards. Josh has 1,876 total yards by himself, only 31 yards less than the entire Chiefs offense. He's on pace to shatter Drew Brees record for the most total yards per game average for a season by a QB(347.63 vs 375.2). And is really close to Peyton Manning's record of most total TDs per game average for a season by a QB(3.5 vs 3.2). Add to that the most passing yards this year, 2nd most passing TDs, most total TDs and 4th best QB Rating and it's clear to see KC coming up with ways to stop him is the most important aspect of this game. 

 

GO BILLS!!!