Christian McCaffrey rumors

[Buffalo03]

14 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

I would do a 2nd rounder for CMC.  

I have said this as well. Our 2nd round pick is gonna be pick 60-64. You would have to guarantee me that any player I take in that area of the draft is better than McCaffrey and if you can't, I'm willing to give that pick up for McCaffrey 

[Reed83HOF]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

There is no RB whose impact in the passing game is "enormous"...........the idea that throwing to a stud RB consistently leaves modern defenses vulnerable is not supported by fact...........there is still a defender assigned to a RB and now those defenders are often......if not usually..........faster than the RB's.    Hence the relatively pathetic returns on passes to even the best RB's compared to the days of young Thurman Thomas.

 

Not sure why this is hard to grasp on TSW but the extra WR has replaced the "3rd down back" concept in the modern NFL and it really doesn't matter what down you deploy them because defense's are base nickel now.

 

ACTUAL WR's are doing this too........not moonlighters like Alvin Kamara who is excellent "for a RB"........but really NOT some polished NFL WR.  

 

Those actual receivers can beat back-heavy coverages as well........but for 10-13 yards as opposed to 8.

 

As I said last week...........the problem with the Bills rush offense is that they are trying to run the ball from a position of ultimate weakness........out of shotgun and using simple zone concepts that allow them to play fast but don't allow the OL to either get into their run blocks or get in better blocking positions to wall off blocker like they are when they are allowed to be on the move.

 

Then what do ya' know?   They line up behind center with traditional play action in KC and Singletary puts up 5 yards per carry.

 

How much more than that do people think Christian McCaffrey is going to give you?    Recent history suggests a fraction of a yard less on the ground mixed with a yard or two more in receiving.

 

The Bills offense isn't and shouldn't be about moving down the field in those kind of small increments.

 

If people want to see a notable uptick on offense..........figure out a way to get a second boundary option at WR that would allow Diggs to play in the slot..........where he is unstoppable in the same way that Cooper Kupp is.    Or at least let Shakir replace McKenzie.   These are ways to make NOTABLE yardage gains per play.......potentially 3-5 yards per touch gains. 

 

 

I'm sure there are some on this board who want a better running attack, I have been on team give me IOL help for awhile now.  

 

When it comes to what the offense needs, not just because something is missing, but it should be another way to make a defense chose their poison. I do think an OBJ would be great as a 3rd WR for us and push Shakir, Crowder, McK to a 4th WR. They will very likely be better than the 4th db lined up on them.

 

To have a better receiving option out of the back field, might have some merit. It's hard to compare a player in 1 offense vs another based of different players and who the defense is trying to take away, but Yac/reception  is where I have looked. Singletary has a career average of 6.7 yac/r and cmc has 7.98 yac/r. That's a pretty good difference between them and I think adds a better attacking element to our passing offense and is someone who will command some attention and either free up diggs, Knox, davis, and wr3 based on the attention the defense has to pay to cmc over DS or if not, he is a more capable pass catcher. Cmc has a 80.9% catch rate vs DS 76.3%. He has also caught like 3x as many passes. I'm looking at this as how does it open our offense up more by recalling making the defense make a decision to stay in single coverage or to give us multiple players who can make you pay. 

 

I wouldn't break the bank for cmc as far as trade value goes, but it is something I would strongly look at for the right price. He does open some stuff up for us...

 

 

 

[SCBills]

15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

AKA they want a 1st rounder but ultimately they'll take the best offer they can get.

 

Carolina needs to calm down..  Unless CMC is willing to restructure with whoever he's traded to, this - in my opinion - is ridiculous.  

 

The Rams traded a 2nd and 3rd for Von Miller, knowing a new contract would need to be negotiated after the season.  Von. Miller.  An elite player at a premium position.

 

Carolina expects something similar for an elite player, with an injury history and a non-premium position.  A guy who no contender is going to pay 12M to next year, so he's either a rental or a restructure guy.  

 

I think it would be so short-sighted to trade anything higher than a 3rd for CMC, and even then, I'd be a little annoyed if it's only a one year rental with no restructure. 

 

 

[starrymessenger]

10 minutes ago, BananaB said:

CMC would be another player defences have to game plan for. I’m not sure they do much of it for Singletary. He’s Ok player but he’s not a game breaker, defences are probably pretty happy him getting a  lot of touches while facing our offense. CMC would completely change the way defences focus on our backfield. 

It's been 2 1/2 years since CMC has been a game breaker.

[Warriorspikes51]

21 minutes ago, BananaB said:

CMC would be another player defences have to game plan for. I’m not sure they do much of it for Singletary. He’s Ok player but he’s not a game breaker, defences are probably pretty happy him getting a  lot of touches while facing our offense. CMC would completely change the way defences focus on our backfield. 

This. No one is game planning for Devin.  CMC on the other hand is an elite threat as a back and a receiver with both speed and strength.
 

Devin would be a good complementary back and likely make the most of his touches due to his competitive nature. 

Take 5 targets away from McKenzie, 10 touches away from Devin.
 

CMC's share could be around 12 carries and 10 receptions  

Edited October 19, 2022 by Warriorspikes51

[L Ron Burgundy]

I've seen Singletary thrown out there as a trade option but I would not do that no matter what.

 

I was mentally throwing crap at the dart board.....what about Cook?  Would something featuring Cook and Cmc work?  Just curious not saying we should (or shouldn't).

[DCOrange]

2 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

I've seen Singletary thrown out there as a trade option but I would not do that no matter what.

 

I was mentally throwing crap at the dart board.....what about Cook?  Would something featuring Cook and Cmc work?  Just curious not saying we should (or shouldn't).

I think including Cook would make sense if Carolina is interested in him, but I imagine they're more interested in getting the best picks possible to position themselves for a QB.

 

At any rate, I personally don't really want CMC much, but I can at least understand why we might do it if it only cost one or two Day 2 picks. Anything including 1sts is just idiotic IMO. At the same time, I think short of getting 1st round picks for him, Carolina should probably just keep him to help their future QB.

[BuffaloBaumer]

nothing more than a 3rd. I want our team to keep building the right way. As long as KC does not add any firepower of their own, nobody is beating a healthy Bills team in the playoffs as it stands now.

[Logic]

I liked Buscaglia's pitch:

They can choose between either Moss and a 2nd or Cook and a 3rd. This allows the Panthers to get a young RB in return to replace CMC, as well as getting a day two draft pick.

While I don't WANT to give up Cook, I would do so for CMC.

As Buscaglia points out, the Bills can afford CMC with no problem this season, and since only $1million of future money is guaranteed, they could re-structure future years. At the end of the day, they should be able to roster him without gut wrenching cap implications for at least two seasons.

In my mind, the Bills are as close as they've ever been to a Super Bowl trophy, which puts them in "all-in" mode. Push your chips into the center of the table. Go get that Lombardi.

Singletary can continue to get a decent amount of snaps and help keep McCaffrey fresh. Both can be deployed in the same formation, with McCaffrey splitting out wide or operating as more of a passing game piece.

I'm not sure people fully grasp how much CMC could bring to this offense. As great as the Bills have been, adding CMC would basically cause opposing defensive coordinators to throw their hands up in the air and say "forget it. We're *****. Why bother?"
 

[thenorthremembers]

The Bills are the only team out of SF, LAR, and Buffalo that has a first round pick in 2023.    SF traded theirs to Miami to move up for Trey Lance, and the Rams traded theirs to Detroit for Stafford.  Miami had two, until they messed around with Marcia and lost one.

Edited October 19, 2022 by thenorthremembers

[Warriorspikes51]

37 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

It's been 2 1/2 years since CMC has been a game breaker.

He just had over 150 yards of offense last week on an awful team. 
 

He's 4th in Scrimmage yards this year.....

Edited October 19, 2022 by Warriorspikes51

[L Ron Burgundy]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

nothing more than a 3rd. I want our team to keep building the right way. As long as KC does not add any firepower of their own, nobody is beating a healthy Bills team in the playoffs as it stands now.

I dont get this mentality at all.  If a player is out there you think puts you over the top you do it.  If a contender adds a big piece that could mean them beating us.  Without adding Vonn LA does not get a ring last year.  Kc is about to make a move, bank on it.

 

Would you do a 1st if it gives you say an 80% chance at a ring?  I say yes all day.  I know it's all speculation but people are overvaluing picks.  I'll do multiple high picks if I get that one ring.  There's risk in everything. 

2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

He just had over 150 yards of offense last week on an awful team.  He's in the top 7 in scrimmage yards per game this year 

People keep saying the same crap without checking stats or context.

[Warriorspikes51]

5 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

I dont get this mentality at all.  If a player is out there you think puts you over the top you do it.  If a contender adds a big piece that could mean them beating us.  Without adding Vonn LA does not get a ring last year.  Kc is about to make a move, bank on it.

 

Would you do a 1st if it gives you say an 80% chance at a ring?  I say yes all day.  I know it's all speculation but people are overvaluing picks.  I'll do multiple high picks if I get that one ring.  There's risk in everything. 

People keep saying the same crap without checking stats or context.

Did you watch him against the Rams? And you're right, I was wrong. He's 4th in Scrimmage yards....

[Logic]

7 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

 

Would you do a 1st if it gives you say an 80% chance at a ring?  I say yes all day.  I know it's all speculation but people are overvaluing picks.  I'll do multiple high picks if I get that one ring.  There's risk in everything. 

 

The overvaluing of draft picks is a leftover mentality from the drought years, in my opinion.

The draft used to be in constant rebuilding mode, and the draft was like the Super Bowl for Bills fans.

Now, the Bills have finally rebuilt. They already HAVE an amazing roster. The Super Bowl for Bills fans this year should be, well...THE ACTUAL SUPER BOWL! And adding a star player could hugely help them to reach that game.

Yes, draft picks are valuable, and yes, Beane will continue to build through the draft and follow his mantra of "draft, develop, re-sign". But that doesn't mean that the Bills should be hording future draft picks at the expense of improving their team NOW, in the midst of a Super Bowl push. 

The fact that the Bills have been mentioned as the primary suitor for McCaffrey tells me that Beane feels the same way.

Edited October 19, 2022 by Logic

[Rochesterfan]

49 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I have said this as well. Our 2nd round pick is gonna be pick 60-64. You would have to guarantee me that any player I take in that area of the draft is better than McCaffrey and if you can't, I'm willing to give that pick up for McCaffrey 

 

Is 4 years of that player at a cost controlled price better than 10 games of McCaffrey.

 

That 2nd round pick may not be better right away, but may have significantly more long term help to maintain the team we have.

 

 

[Nihilarian]

When you add a player like CMC you take away touches from the current stars on the Buffalo offense.

 

Last game, Diggs, 10 receptions for 148 yards, 1 TD. Davis, 3 for 74 yards, 1 TD, Knox 3 for 37, 1 TD.

 

With Singletary finally getting a decent amount of carries in this game, 17 for 85 yards, a 5.0 YPC AVG. 

 

If the Bills had an ordinary franchise QB behind center a trade for an elite RB might make sense...they don't! The Bills have an "alien unicorn" who does things the entire NFL world marvels at...he can hurtle tall defenders in a single bound! 

 

Give Cook time to develop and there will be no need for CMC is my take...a younger, healthier, faster player. CMC 4.48-40. Cook 4.42-40. JMO

 

 

[ArtVandalay]

3 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Is 4 years of that player at a cost controlled price better than 10 games of McCaffrey.

 

That 2nd round pick may not be better right away, but may have significantly more long term help to maintain the team we have.

 

 

Why only 10 games.  That's absurd. He's under contract for future years and his contract isn't that big you can't fit him. Cap is crap, restructure a couple guys and you're good. No big offensive FA signing. 

 

2nd Round Picks of recent years:

James Cook 63

Boogie Basham 61

AJ Epenesa 54

Cody Ford 38

Zay Jones 37

Dion Dawkins 63

Reggie Ragland 41

Cyrus Kouandjio 44

 

That's going back to 2014.

 

Draft picks are not as valuable as people think once you start putting faces to the picks. What you do have to be careful with is overall roster depth and not depleting picks, but to trade once in a while or manageably is okay. 

[Saint Doug]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

When you add a player like CMC you take away touches from the current stars on the Buffalo offense.

 

Last game, Diggs, 10 receptions for 148 yards, 1 TD. Davis, 3 for 74 yards, 1 TD, Knox 3 for 37, 1 TD.

 

With Singletary finally getting a decent amount of carries in this game, 17 for 85 yards, a 5.0 YPC AVG. 

 

If the Bills had an ordinary franchise QB behind center a trade for an elite RB might make sense...they don't! The Bills have an "alien unicorn" who does things the entire NFL world marvels at...he can hurtle tall defenders in a single bound! 

 

Give Cook time to develop and there will be no need for CMC is my take...a younger, healthier, faster player. CMC 4.48-40. Cook 4.42-40. JMO

 

 

The problem with the argument is that even players on the same team take touches away from each other. A throw to Knox is one less throw to Diggs. We tolerate this because it doesn’t really matter who is touching the ball to move chains or scoring TDs. We just care that someone does. So, if CMC comes in and produces at a high level (not necessarily saying he would), it really wouldn’t matter as long as we’re scoring and winning. 

Edited October 19, 2022 by Saint Doug

[Reed83HOF]

3 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

When you add a player like CMC you take away touches from the current stars on the Buffalo offense.

 

Last game, Diggs, 10 receptions for 148 yards, 1 TD. Davis, 3 for 74 yards, 1 TD, Knox 3 for 37, 1 TD.

 

With Singletary finally getting a decent amount of carries in this game, 17 for 85 yards, a 5.0 YPC AVG. 

 

If the Bills had an ordinary franchise QB behind center a trade for an elite RB might make sense...they don't! The Bills have an "alien unicorn" who does things the entire NFL world marvels at...he can hurtle tall defenders in a single bound! 

 

Give Cook time to develop and there will be no need for CMC is my take...a younger, healthier, faster player. CMC 4.48-40. Cook 4.42-40. JMO

 

 

Meh, not sure you necessarily take touches away from other players, I actually think it may allow some other players to have more touches by having the defense roll more coverage to take cmc away or at least pay more attention to him that Devin and certainly Moss. This of course relies upon cmc making more plays than our current stable of rbs for the DC to even care. 

 

It's not about taking touches from other position groups, again unless he is left in favorable matchups. It just makes the offense even harder to defend, could even open the screen game up a bit more. 

 

 

[Buffalo03]

22 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Is 4 years of that player at a cost controlled price better than 10 games of McCaffrey.

 

That 2nd round pick may not be better right away, but may have significantly more long term help to maintain the team we have.

 

 

10 games? I'm sure if we give up a 2nd, we will find some way to keep him past this season.