H2o Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/13/2022 at 6:14 PM, Billz4ever said: Scary thought, eh? Expand The thought of Moss being our lead back makes me want to vomit 1 1 Quote
Pabstblueribbon Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 Lol yeah, it's definitely not Ideal but with the injury history it's a way we can still "make it by" in the future without spending additional capital to plan for the event that cmc misses games. Quote
Billz4ever Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/13/2022 at 6:15 PM, H2o said: The thought of Moss being our lead back makes me want to vomit Expand The vomit emoji was created for that thought. On 10/13/2022 at 6:16 PM, Pabstblueribbon said: Lol yeah, it's definitely not Ideal but with the injury history it's a way we can still "make it by" in the future without spending additional capital to plan for the event that cmc misses games. Expand Not ideal? It leaves us in a worse position than we are now and in salary cap hell. 1 Quote
Bray Wyatt Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/13/2022 at 5:50 PM, Billz4ever said: Ummm, no. Even with the opt out there's $18M dead cap that's clearly stated there. Expand For the panthers, not if he is traded to us. No dead cap for the team he is traded to 1 Quote
Pabstblueribbon Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/13/2022 at 6:18 PM, Billz4ever said: The vomit emoji was created for that thought. Not ideal? It leaves us in a worse position than we are now and in salary cap hell. Expand It's the gamble every potential trade partner will weigh. There's no disagreement that I would rather keep motor and unload Moss in this scenario if looking through the lense of 2022 sb or bust. However, next year that would leave us with an injury prone cmc and whomever we could scrounge up (that still admittedly might be better than moss) to go with Cook. I dunno. Quote
Bray Wyatt Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/13/2022 at 6:29 PM, Billz4ever said: Don't think so. The opt out and dead cap counts against next year. If we take on his contract, and the opt out option is triggered, that trigger would be under contract with the Bills, not the Panthers. Expand All guarantees stay with the team that signed the deal, which is what creates dead cap, they don’t transfer to the bills 1 Quote
BrooklynBills Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/13/2022 at 6:29 PM, Billz4ever said: Don't think so. The opt out and dead cap counts against next year. If we take on his contract, and the opt out option is triggered, that trigger would be under contract with the Bills, not the Panthers. Expand This is incorrect and not how NFL contracts work. Quote
Draconator Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/13/2022 at 6:51 PM, BrooklynBills said: This is incorrect and not how NFL contracts work. Expand Brandon? 3 Quote
Billz4ever Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) On 10/13/2022 at 6:43 PM, Bray Wyatt said: All guarantees stay with the team that signed the deal, which is what creates dead cap, they don’t transfer to the bills Expand Ok, so that's correct. So as some are suggesting, we should sign a guy for half a season and playoffs and give up a first-round pick for it and then not be able to afford him next year. Awesome plan. On 10/13/2022 at 5:46 PM, Cheektowaga Chad said: Do you actually know cmc's contract details? 1 mil this year, the rest going forward non guaranteed. Easy restructure or cut and move on with zero harm to anyone else going forward Expand Wait, you're actually suggesting we give up a first round pick to get him and then cut him next year? LMAOOOO, So we give up a first-round pick to get a player for half a season and playoffs? And you do understand that signing him doesn't guarantee us winning anything, correct? You act like the SB is in the bag if we sign him. I love how the answer from anyone when it comes to signing players with high price tags is always to simply "restructure". Care to explain how that actually works with the team's current and projected cap space next year? Edited October 13, 2022 by Billz4ever Quote
NewEra Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/13/2022 at 6:02 PM, Pabstblueribbon said: I don't know what Carolina would have to gain from taking Motor, but in the hypothetical situation where we get cmc we can't have both him and Singletary next season. Moss can operate as a starting back with Cook sprinkled in if cmc goes down. Expand And in the only hypothetical situation that matters right now, winning the SB this season, if Mccaffery gets injured, which is likely….Zack moss would be our starter…..that’s why you would have to keep motor. Motor has no value to Carolina. He has loads of value as mccaffery s backup. Quote
Billz4ever Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) On 10/13/2022 at 8:20 PM, NewEra said: And in the only hypothetical situation that matters right now, winning the SB this season, if Mccaffery gets injured, which is likely….Zack moss would be our starter…..that’s why you would have to keep motor. Motor has no value to Carolina. He has loads of value as mccaffery s backup. Expand So that means not only are we taking On CMC's, contract, we would need to re-sign motor this offseason, which is not going to be anywhere near as cheap as his rookie contract where he's making less than $1M this year. Up until now, motor's contract has been a GM's best friend. That ends this year. Spotrac has his market value at $5M/year. If CMC is assumed to be the starter, we would be paying motor $5M a year to come of the bench. I think he walks if that's what he wants $$ wise and he's not even starting. Edited October 13, 2022 by Billz4ever Quote
NewEra Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/13/2022 at 8:33 PM, Billz4ever said: So that means not only are we taking On CMC's, contract, we would need to re-sign motor this offseason, which is not going to be anywhere near as cheap as his rookie contract where he's making less than $1M this year. Up until now, motor's contract has been a GM's best friend. That ends this year. Spotrac has his market value at $5M/year. If CMC is assumed to be the starter, we would be paying motor a couple $5M a year to come of the bench. I think he walks if that's what he wants $$ wise and he's not even starting. Expand I’m not talking about the future. I’m talking about THIS season. Winning the super bowl THIS SEASON. The main reason we make a trade to for mccaffery to to help us win the super bowl this season. You’re not taking this season into account…when it’s the only thing that truly matters once you trade for a Mccaffery. The dude gets hurt a lot. We need a solid insurance policy. Moss is not that. Same can be said for Cook from what we’ve seen so far. of we trade for cmac, we’d be fools to trade motor. He has no value to Carolina 1 Quote
Billz4ever Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) On 10/13/2022 at 8:39 PM, NewEra said: I’m not talking about the future. I’m talking about THIS season. Winning the super bowl THIS SEASON. The main reason we make a trade to for mccaffery to to help us win the super bowl this season. You’re not taking this season into account…when it’s the only thing that truly matters once you trade for a Mccaffery. The dude gets hurt a lot. We need a solid insurance policy. Moss is not that. Same can be said for Cook from what we’ve seen so far. of we trade for cmac, we’d be fools to trade motor. He has no value to Carolina Expand Even if we sign him, there's no guarantee we win anything. People are even suggesting we give up a 1st rounder to get him. Not to mention, he's due $12M in base salary next season. Sounds like people are ready to sell the team's future and put us into salary cap hell to sign an oft injured RB. Edited October 13, 2022 by Billz4ever Quote
NewEra Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/13/2022 at 8:56 PM, Billz4ever said: Even if we sign him, there's no guarantee we win anything. People are even suggesting we give up a 1st rounder to get him. Not to mention, he's due $12M in base salary next season. Sounds like people are ready to sell the team's future and put us into salary cap hell to sign an oft injured RB. Expand Some people are. Some people aren’t. Doesn’t really matter. I don’t think there’s much chance Beane would part with a 1st or 2nd for him. Maybe a 3rd. My only point was, if we trade for him, trading motor in the deal makes zero sense. For either team. Quote
Perk71 Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 Should have kept Blackshear 😁 and they'd be ok if CMC were to get hurt. Go Bills!! Quote
Billz4ever Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) On 10/13/2022 at 9:07 PM, NewEra said: Some people are. Some people aren’t. Doesn’t really matter. I don’t think there’s much chance Beane would part with a 1st or 2nd for him. Maybe a 3rd. My only point was, if we trade for him, trading motor in the deal makes zero sense. For either team. Expand My only point was signing CMC and keeping motor, makes this off season and trying to re-sign our other FA's on this huge list will make it even more of a nightmare than it's already going to be. Edited October 13, 2022 by Billz4ever 1 Quote
NewEra Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/13/2022 at 9:18 PM, Billz4ever said: My only point was signing CMC and keeping motor, makes this off season and trying to re-sign our other FA's on this huge list will make it even more of a nightmare than it's already going to be. Expand Who cares about this off season? Motor is likely gone no matter what. What does trading him accomplish? He can help us win a super bowl THIS year. Or is next years super bowl your focus? 1 Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/13/2022 at 9:07 PM, NewEra said: Some people are. Some people aren’t. Doesn’t really matter. I don’t think there’s much chance Beane would part with a 1st or 2nd for him. Maybe a 3rd. My only point was, if we trade for him, trading motor in the deal makes zero sense. For either team. Expand I hear what you are saying, having the insurance policy. But Devin does make a lot of sense for Carolina. They still need someone to run the ball this year and Devin comes off the books after the end of the year. So IF these talks are real in terms of Car wanting Devin and a 2nd, its certainly because they get a solid RB back for this season that won't be on the cap next season. I still have doubts we trade for CMC anyway, but if we did and included Devin then I would be ok with it. But like you, for the same reasons, I would prefer to keep Devin for insurance reasons. 1 Quote
Billz4ever Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/13/2022 at 10:31 PM, NewEra said: Who cares about this off season? Motor is likely gone no matter what. What does trading him accomplish? He can help us win a super bowl THIS year. Or is next years super bowl your focus? Expand So mortgage the future for a maybe. See the two names on the top of our free agent list? They are more important pieces to this team than CMC will ever be and if signing CMC means we can't afford to sign both of them, signing CMC would be an epically stupid move. Quote
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/13/2022 at 11:12 PM, Billz4ever said: So mortgage the future for a maybe. See the two names on the top of our free agent list? They are more important pieces to this team than CMC will ever be and if signing CMC means we can't afford to sign both of them, signing CMC would be an epically stupid move. Expand They can cut McCaffrey for free after the season if it's really that serious. 1 Quote
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