Buffalo Boy Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Mahomes and Wilson have taken advantage of defenders pulling up near the sideline to gain more yards for a few years now. Some are calling it dirty. This off-season they said they would be allowing a little more wiggle room near the sidelines for defenders on slides. To me, it was a clean play regardless as Hamlin and Pickett initiated their action at the same time….. a bang bang play. Also, Hamlin wasn’t head hunting but lead with his body and shoulder sideways and low and not spearing headlong. If you are going to run as a QB it SHOULD be your responsibility to get out of bounds and protect yourself when your are close to the sideline. Defenders should not be expected to protect the QB. Pickett was trying to pick up as many yards as he could and was going forward till the last second and got smacked for doing it. I applaud Hamlin for his clean hit. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/09/10/this-year-will-officials-treat-running-quarterbacks-like-running-backs/amp/ 8 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 I agree that it was a legal hit, and should be, but I couldn't really have argued with a flag. That's how the game is called these days -- you see it every week. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 In the replays you could see he went to tackle about the same time Pickett was going down 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stretch Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Agreed, it was a late slide and Hamlin dive at the same time. Pickett was the guy who did the fake slide in college and scored off if it. So he deserved this hit. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 It was right on the edge but I thought there were two subtle reason the flags didn't come out. 1) it was right at the sticks. You tend to get more leeway at the goalline and the first down marker, as it should be. 2) Pickett has some history of fake slides and you can bet stripes knows it Whatever the case, it was good to see an example of that auto call being de-emphasized just to get a better idea of where the line is drawn now. 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted October 9, 2022 Author Share Posted October 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, Stretch said: Agreed, it was a late slide and Hamlin dive at the same time. Pickett was the guy who did the fake slide in college and scored off if it. So he deserved this hit. NCAA changed the rule because of him. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag20 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Probably worth mentioning that they were college teammates, so Hamlin probably a) knew his tendencies b) wouldn’t attempt to behead him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Remember Pickett already has a fake slide in college career 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 3 hours ago, scuba guy said: In the replays you could see he went to tackle about the same time Pickett was going down That's exactly the way I saw it. Yes, these days it might get called so the D needs to be careful. But I thought it was a legal hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 It was clean. I got annoyed at the commentators afterwards trying to call for a penalty (and a little homerism with that on my part, too.) In particular, I hated how when Romo asked the broadcast ref (I forget his name) if the hit was legal and the ref was super vague about it. It really sums up NFL officiating for me: Romo: "Hey ref, was that actually a penalty?" Ref: "Well...you don't want a see a QB hit like that. We want to protect the QB as much as possible. And the defender...uh...the defender is expected to try to protect the QB in that scenario..." I was like, wtf just tell us if the hit was a penalty or not. Truth is the ref can't because he's used to making arbitrary calls on vague NFL rules. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 6 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: Mahomes and Wilson have taken advantage of defenders pulling up near the sideline to gain more yards for a few years now. Some are calling it dirty. This off-season they said they would be allowing a little more wiggle room near the sidelines for defenders on slides. To me, it was a clean play regardless as Hamlin and Pickett initiated their action at the same time….. a bang bang play. Also, Hamlin wasn’t head hunting but lead with his body and shoulder sideways and low and not spearing headlong. If you are going to run as a QB it SHOULD be your responsibility to get out of bounds and protect yourself when your are close to the sideline. Defenders should not be expected to protect the QB. Pickett was trying to pick up as many yards as he could and was going forward till the last second and got smacked for doing it. I applaud Hamlin for his clean hit. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/09/10/this-year-will-officials-treat-running-quarterbacks-like-running-backs/amp/ Funny cause I guarantee Hamlin was watching his Alma matter when this play happened lol mightve been in his head https://youtu.be/9Bb0n4pNwBw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 If Josh takes that hit I would want a flag and so would he. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 That hit was the prefect reason not to slide You’re too exposed and can’t protect yourself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Picker is overrated af and a B word. His best outcome is a tier two QB. He won’t ever come close to JA17s level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Bangarang said: If Josh takes that hit I would want a flag and so would he. Their would be outrage if that was Fitzpatrick hitting Allen the same way. The play was in no way dirty but maybe could have been a penalty. Penalty for unnecessary roughness does not mean it’s a dirty hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted October 10, 2022 Author Share Posted October 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Bangarang said: If Josh takes that hit I would want a flag and so would he. But would he get it? We have seen Josh get smacked in the pocket after throws and not get a flag so ….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 It was a clean hit. Close but good no call. If he led with head or hit higher up then it would have been illegal. Next time it happens to Allen we need to see it the same way. I really like how Allen isn't giving the defenders chances at taking cheap shots. He is finishing his runs or he is making the slides blatantly obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 11 hours ago, Simon said: It was right on the edge but I thought there were two subtle reason the flags didn't come out. 1) it was right at the sticks. You tend to get more leeway at the goalline and the first down marker, as it should be. 2) Pickett has some history of fake slides and you can bet stripes knows it Whatever the case, it was good to see an example of that auto call being de-emphasized just to get a better idea of where the line is drawn now. I agree and I would add that: #3 - the hit was no where near the head or in a spearing motion - allowing the Refs some Leeway. The only thing I was not sure I agreed with - was how the penalty was enforced. The Refs called it unsportsmanlike conduct as part of the action - therefore moving it back 15 yards and not giving the Steelers the first down. Which worked out for Buffalo. I think the correct call as Hamlin hit Pickett as he slide and was down and then after the play was over the unsportsmanlike conduct occurred - it should have been a dead ball foul with Pittsburgh awarded the first down and then the 15 yard penalty making it 1st and 10 from the 29 rather than 3rd and 15 from the 29. The outcome was better for Buffalo - just think based upon the play - the Refs did a poor job calling the foul on Pittsburgh. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Did you see at the end of the game Hamlin have words with Tomlin? I would guess he was telling coach "hey Man that play on Pickett was not intended to hurt/injure him, I am not a dirty player." Something like that. Only complete a-holes like Burfict would have zero qualms being labeled a cheap shots artist. I think most NFL players are Professional enough and saavy enough to realize getting that label is not a good look. What goes around comes around. The sport is violent enough when played legally much less with no qualms about being dirty. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Real slide or fake slide, the ball should be spotted there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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