Do we all see what Daboll is able to do with a real NFL running back?

[ArtVandalay]

47 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

4-1, but still exceeding expectations by a mile.

Once again acting like their O-Line doesn't exist and Barkley is creating everything on his own.

Wait... are we pumping the GIANTS oline????? Lmao

[Billz4ever]

Just now, ArtVandalay said:

Wait... are we pumping the GIANTS oline????? Lmao

Considering it's foolish to think you can run without one?  Yep.

[ArtVandalay]

4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Considering it's foolish to think you can run without one?  Yep.

Giants have had one of the worst lines for years and average at best right now. 

[ctk232]

4 hours ago, FireChans said:

So Dabs was killed here, often, about the lack of running game when he was out OC. Of course, he had Butterfingers Singles and Cement Block Moss at RB.

 

Now he goes to NY, and he gets a quality RB like Barkley (who isn’t even THAT quality considering his last few season after a great rookie campaign) and BAM. Leading rusher in the NFL. Career resurgence.

 

So maybe, just maybe, our lack of RB production wasn’t because of Daboll or Dorsey. And maybe our GM knows this which is why we have been dumping mid round picks to try to find SOMEONE decent at RB for the last 4 years. 

Well that’s a take and a half.

 

When you want to look at why your run game isn’t as prolific, there are several reasons but usually starts with your OL. Second, when you have Allen you’re doing something wrong when you’re running more often than not. But if you’re looking for more consistently higher yards/carry numbers look no further than your front 5. Singletary is a damn fine RB; not irreplaceable but very much not the “problem.” The blocking schemes also very much matter, zone v man, and what each lineman is familiar with. 
 

On that note, we’re sorely overdue for a first round OL pick, especially IOL/C. Would really like to see us go that way this year and in FA.

 

Edit: To add in reference to Daboll, I felt his knock wasn’t so much his lack of a developed run scheme/book, but was instead with the use of it and poor playcall timing that took us out of certain key drives, and hurt us in situations where we needed to better control pace and clock management. 

Edited October 9, 2022 by ctk232

[Starr Almighty]

4 hours ago, Bill Lewes said:

 

exactly --- we do what we do, they do what they do ... not exactly proof that Barkley is great and Daboll's a genius

sure, straight up, I'd take Barkley -- but you're trying to say Barkley/Daboll and the Giant's O is something we should want.   Seriously? 

I didn't say a word other than show you are comparing a large amount of carries vs a handful. I personally believe the Bills would blow the Giants out easily.

[Bill Lewes]

22 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

I didn't say a word other than show you are comparing a large amount of carries vs a handful. I personally believe the Bills would blow the Giants out easily.

My bad -

I was referring back to the OP

[Malazan]

So this thread wants the Bills to trade up for the 2nd overall pick and use it on a RB?

[without a drought]

If the Bills don't trade for Barkley, how are they going to stop him in the Super Bowl with the Giants.

[Big Turk]

Did you see what Ken Dorsey did with a real QB?

[HOUSE]

BAM?

[Kwai San]

9 hours ago, whorlnut said:

You are right about one thing in this post. The offense would not go through Barkley. However…don’t think for one second that the threat of Barkley wouldn’t open up much more with the offense. 

If they had Allen as the QB I would agree....

[Alphadawg7]

9 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Let me ask you a question.

 

If you had Barkley and Jones as your two main offensive players, which player would YOU rather have with the ball in their hands?

 

Pretty sure if he has a QB like Allen the offense wouldn't be going through Barkley.

 

He is doing it out of necessity.

 

When will people understand the Bills simply pay lip service to the running game and then put the ball in Allen's hand?

 

You should change the title to "See what you do when you have a great RB and no QB?"

Someone pin this post.  👏

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Someone pin this post.  👏

Why? That post is terrible.

 

Brandon Beane has been trying to get a good RB for 4 years. 

[Alphadawg7]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Why? That post is terrible.

 

Brandon Beane has been trying to get a good RB for 4 years. 

 

No this thread is terrible.  

 

When we didnt have a QB and we tried to be a running team to mask a bad QB when we had Taylor McD's first year here...all of you melted down, called McD conservative, said he was a mistake and needed to fired so we could hire an offensive minded coach.

 

Now Daboll leaves, has a weak QB and runs his offense through one of the best RB's in the league when healthy and all of a sudden you all want to change your tune.  

 

You know full well that if Josh Allen was the QB for the NYG with Diggs and Davis at WR they would be a pass first team.  So no offense, but this thread is terrible and lacks any real world context.

[FireChans]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

No this thread is terrible.  

 

When we didnt have a QB and we tried to be a running team to mask a bad QB when we had Taylor McD's first year here...all of you melted down, called McD conservative, said he was a mistake and needed to fired so we could hire an offensive minded coach.

 

Now Daboll leaves, has a weak QB and runs his offense through one of the best RB's in the league when healthy and all of a sudden you all want to change your tune.  

 

You know full well that if Josh Allen was the QB for the NYG with Diggs and Davis at WR they would be a pass first team.  So no offense, but this thread is terrible and lacks any real world context.

No man, you should re-read the OP. It’s about “getting the running game going.”

 

You used to cry up and down about how Daboll couldn’t get the running game going with Cement Shoes Moss. “Back of the OG for 1 yard.”

 

Now Daboll has a good running back and they have a good rushing offense. Not that hard to understand.

[Billz4ever]

On 10/9/2022 at 8:10 PM, FireChans said:

No man, you should re-read the OP. It’s about “getting the running game going.”

 

You used to cry up and down about how Daboll couldn’t get the running game going with Cement Shoes Moss. “Back of the OG for 1 yard.”

 

Now Daboll has a good running back and they have a good rushing offense. Not that hard to understand.

The Bills have the worst run block win % (65%) in the entire league.  (Ranked 32nd)

 

But keep thinking Barkley on this team makes a huge difference.

 

We aren't getting him anyway, so you might as drop it and actually post about this team, not someone else's.

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

The Bills have the worst run block win % (65%) in the entire league.  (Ranked 32nd)

 

But keep thinking Barkley on this team makes a huge difference.

 

We aren't getting him anyway, so you might as drop it and actually post about this team, not someone else's.

I posted about our bum RBs. 

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

I posted about our bum RBs. 

And when you statistically have the worst run blocking O-line in football, what are you expecting them to do?

[DCbillsfan]

On 10/9/2022 at 10:20 AM, Mango said:

 

I do think the Bills have a plan of going IOL early and often in the 2023 draft. For whatever reason we just seem to not be able to get it right the way we have been other position groups. 
 

Ive been wanting the Bills to draft an IOL the last 2 drafts so I hope you're right.  Hopefully a C/G who can likely start as a rookie.  I think they'll bring back Boettger and possibly Hart.