Do we all see what Daboll is able to do with a real NFL running back?

[Sherlock Holmes]

Hear me out...

[Billz4ever]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

So Dabs was killed here, often, about the lack of running game when he was out OC. Of course, he had Butterfingers Singles and Cement Block Moss at RB.

 

Now he goes to NY, and he gets a quality RB like Barkley (who isn’t even THAT quality considering his last few season after a great rookie campaign) and BAM. Leading rusher in the NFL. Career resurgence.

 

So maybe, just maybe, our lack of RB production wasn’t because of Daboll or Dorsey. And maybe our GM knows this which is why we have been dumping mid round picks to try to find SOMEONE decent at RB for the last 4 years. 

The OL plays a big factor in that.  The Giants OL run blocks pretty well and pass blocks not so well.  Ours is the opposite.

[Bills2022]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

So Dabs was killed here, often, about the lack of running game when he was out OC. Of course, he had Butterfingers Singles and Cement Block Moss at RB.

 

Now he goes to NY, and he gets a quality RB like Barkley (who isn’t even THAT quality considering his last few season after a great rookie campaign) and BAM. Leading rusher in the NFL. Career resurgence.

 

So maybe, just maybe, our lack of RB production wasn’t because of Daboll or Dorsey. And maybe our GM knows this which is why we have been dumping mid round picks to try to find SOMEONE decent at RB for the last 4 years. 

 

The Bills have an elite pass blocking offensive line.  They are a passing team with an elite passing QB. That same offensive line can't run block.  It would not matter if Barry Sanders was running behind the Bills offensive line.  Good luck finding an elite pass blocking and run blocking line.  They don't exist. 

 

[CircleTheWagons99]

Look at that. Giants tried to throw and got sacked. Saved by a def hold. I wonder why they run the ball so much. 

[LyndonvilleBill]

3 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Hear me out...

Hold my beer!😉

[Billz4ever]

1 hour ago, Breakout Squad said:

The o-line got destroyed against the Cowboys. And Feliciano looked pretty bad. 

The Giants lead the league in rushing yards and average 5.8 YPC.  You aren't getting that with a bad run blocking O-line.

[RochesterLifer]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

So Dabs was killed here, often, about the lack of running game when he was out OC. Of course, he had Butterfingers Singles and Cement Block Moss at RB.

 

Now he goes to NY, and he gets a quality RB like Barkley (who isn’t even THAT quality considering his last few season after a great rookie campaign) and BAM. Leading rusher in the NFL. Career resurgence.

 

So maybe, just maybe, our lack of RB production wasn’t because of Daboll or Dorsey. And maybe our GM knows this which is why we have been dumping mid round picks to try to find SOMEONE decent at RB for the last 4 years. 

Cool! Something new to be outraged about.

[Starr Almighty]

54 minutes ago, Bill Lewes said:

YPC:

Barkley   5.5 
Moss       5.3 

 

 

 

 

Barkley 84 carries

Moss 16 carries

 

 

[FireChans]

58 minutes ago, Bill Lewes said:

YPC:

Barkley   5.5
Moss       5.3 

 

 

 

 

good running backs
 

Barkley: yes

Moss: no

[Peter]

According to PFF, the Bills have the worst run blocking line in the NFL while the Giants line is rated 13th best in the league.

 

That also might have something to do with it.  

 

🤔

[FireChans]

17 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Partially. And partially he is fully healthy following the ACL. It's also a 4 game sample size, things can change.

Okay.

 

So right now, today, teams know that the Giants are rushing and they STILL lead the league in rushing and Barkley has turned back the clock to be the best RB in football,

 

So the point remains, that maybe, just maybe, personnel is holding back the Bills run game.  Not Daboll or Dorsey

Edited October 9, 2022 by FireChans

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Okay.

 

So right now, today, teams know that the Giants are rushing and they STILL lead the league in rushing and Barkley has turned back the clock to be the best RB in football,

 

So the point remains, that maybe, just maybe, personnel is holding back the Bills run game.  Not Daboll or Dorsey

 

Well I mean obviously Barkley is a better back than what we have, but you still seem to miss the bigger point is that the offense is going through Josh Allen and the run game is an afterthought. I doubt that would change regardless of who we had back there.

[Billz4ever]

29 minutes ago, FireChans said:

And now he has 7 rushes for 55 yards lmao

 

thats why we don’t live in the moment

Without looking, could you seriously name 1 WR on the Giants?

[IndyMark]

And to be fair, Daboll earned much of the flak and critique he got here. Sure, let's "neutralize" the lack of running game while he was OC here and where the blame should fall, that not withstanding, he earned a lot of the criticism he received. 

 

He is not the Giants OC. He was blessed with having Allen (not visa versa) and as evidenced by our OFF output currently, seems like an argument could be made that Dorsey is an upgrade.

 

Not sure of your original point, but it is clear ol' Dabs is not missed here from an OC viewpoint.

 

 

[Billz4ever]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Okay.

 

So right now, today, teams know that the Giants are rushing and they STILL lead the league in rushing and Barkley has turned back the clock to be the best RB in football,

 

So the point remains, that maybe, just maybe, personnel is holding back the Bills run game.  Not Daboll or Dorsey

Are you including the O-line under personnel?

 

The counter to your argument is the Giants would be a better passing team if their O-line could pass block better and they had better WRs.

[Bills2022]

11 minutes ago, FireChans said:

good running backs
 

Barkley: yes

Moss: no

 

Moss is a much better value.  Giants have $32 million invested in Barkley over 4 years.  The Bills have $4 invested in Moss over 4 years.

 

I rather save the $28 million to pay players in much more important positions than running back.

 

[Bill Lewes]

 

16 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

Barkley 84 carries

Moss 16 carries

 

 

exactly --- we do what we do, they do what they do ... not exactly proof that Barkley is great and Daboll's a genius

12 minutes ago, FireChans said:

good running backs
 

Barkley: yes

Moss: no

sure, straight up, I'd take Barkley -- but you're trying to say Barkley/Daboll and the Giant's O is something we should want.   Seriously? 

[Billz4ever]

13 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Okay.

 

So right now, today, teams know that the Giants are rushing and they STILL lead the league in rushing and Barkley has turned back the clock to be the best RB in football,

 

So the point remains, that maybe, just maybe, personnel is holding back the Bills run game.  Not Daboll or Dorsey

The Bills average close to 100 yards and almost 10 pts per game more than the Giants.  Who's offense would you rather have?

Edited October 9, 2022 by Billz4ever

[FireChans]

9 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Well I mean obviously Barkley is a better back than what we have, but you still seem to miss the bigger point is that the offense is going through Josh Allen and the run game is an afterthought. I doubt that would change regardless of who we had back there.

Would our YPC change? 
 

Because on limited touches with Allen being the focus of defenses, Singles is averaging 3.8.

 

Barkley, with the run game being the focus of the opposing defenses, is averaging 5.5.

8 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Without looking, could you seriously name 1 WR on the Giants?

Darius Slayton

Sills V

Previously Shepherd (RIP)

Kenny Golladay (trade candidate)

[RocCityRoller]

Daboll is not the OC in NY, Kafka, who came from KC is.

 

I'm sure Daboll has input, but the NY offense is a blend of ideas from NY and KC. Neither OL is above average.

 

The Giants are playing to their strengths which is Barkley. Their OL does seem better at run blocking than pass blocking.

 

The Bills play to their strength which is Josh Allen. He makes a leaky OL look better than it is.

 

my 2 cents