Orlando Buffalo Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 1:59 AM, motorj said: Just what we need to get back to our old winning formula of run, run, pass from the 2000's or we could just use em as really expensive decoys in the backfield. These post always make perfect sense Expand Stop it, we did it once Sunday and I was furious, don't bring this garbage back into our world, some of us are sensitive after 17 years. Quote
Peter Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 On 10/8/2022 at 11:19 PM, Warriorspikes51 said: Someone tweeted at Joe Buscaglia claiming to have a source in the building at OBD that we are going to be making a blockbuster trade sending our 1st for an RB IF that were true, what do you guys think? 1st, Moss for Saquon Barkley, 4th 1st, Moss for Christian McCaffrey my darkhorse would be Dalvin Cook does anyone know if $ can be retained on a deal? Or how does that work Expand According to my eyes, our line is horrible at run blocking. According to PFF, we have the worst run blocking team. I know people like to automatically blame the running backs, but the line is not doing them any favors. P.S. Josh makes them look better than they actually are in pass blocking. 3 Quote
mrags Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 1:45 AM, Wayne Arnold said: He spent a 2nd on James Cook. It's not that far-fetched. Expand Imagine what we could have gotten with a 1st round pick. On 10/9/2022 at 3:18 AM, Peter said: According to my eyes, our line is horrible at run blocking. According to PFF, we have the worst run blocking team. I know people like to automatically blame the running backs, but the line is not doing them any favors. P.S. Josh makes them look better than they actually are in pass blocking. Expand Maybe, just like Josh makes them look better than they actually are. Our RBs make them look worse than they actually are. Quote
billsfan1959 Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 3:19 AM, mrags said: Maybe, just like Josh makes them look better than they actually are. Our RBs make them look worse than they actually are Expand I’m not sure that is possible… 1 1 Quote
BillsM@fia Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 I don't know why people think the Daboll/Giants are going to give up Barkley. Maybe I missed something. The way I see it, they are 3-1 with a weak schedule. When the trade deadline approaches, they are likely to be in the mix for a wildcard spot. I don't see why they would trade their entire offense. Daboll makes the playoffs his first year as a coach, he gets a lot of breathing room (see McDermott 2017). 3 2 1 Quote
Low Positive Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) On 10/9/2022 at 3:19 AM, mrags said: Imagine what we could have gotten with a 1st round pick. Maybe, just like Josh makes them look better than they actually are. Our RBs make them look worse than they actually are. Expand There is not a RB that i would trade elam for at this point. Edited October 9, 2022 by FrenchConnection 1 Quote
mrags Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 3:26 AM, billsfan1959 said: I’m not sure that is possible… Expand Are you positive? Because our RBs are absolutely horrendous Quote
Peter Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) On 10/9/2022 at 3:19 AM, mrags said: Imagine what we could have gotten with a 1st round pick. Maybe, just like Josh makes them look better than they actually are. Our RBs make them look worse than they actually are. Expand I don't see a lot of room to run. An example from last year: we needed to convert a fourth and one against the Titans at the end of the game. Our line got crushed. In particularly, our supposed best lineman (Dawkins) got blown up. That play was one of the most important plays last year as it turns out. You could pretty much insert any of the top RBs in the history of the NFL behind this line and they would perform worse than they otherwise would. I am not saying we have a bunch of all pros at RB, but the line has performed worse and limits any potential our RBs have. As I wrote in the post above, PFF ranks us dead last in run blocking with a grade of 47.5. To put that in perspective, KC has the top grade with 77.6 and the team ranked 16 is Detroit with 59.2. P.S. I know some have issues with PFF's grades and grading, but they have us dead last. Not in the top five or top half or stop 3/4. We are dead last. Not a recipe for success. And that is with one of the better offensive line coaches in the NFL. Edited October 9, 2022 by Peter 1 Quote
mrags Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 3:33 AM, FrenchConnection said: There is not a RB that i would trade a elam for at this point. Expand Normally I’d agree with you. But Dane Jackson has looked like a legit #2. And Benford was had for less than a family size pack of skittles in comparison. I’d rather go with that and a stud RB but that’s just me. 1 Quote
17islongenough Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 They will have a bunch of assets after trading Allen. So it won't seem like that much 1 Quote
Madmax09 Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 On 10/8/2022 at 11:19 PM, Warriorspikes51 said: Someone tweeted at Joe Buscaglia claiming to have a source in the building at OBD that we are going to be making a blockbuster trade sending our 1st for an RB IF that were true, what do you guys think? 1st, Moss for Saquon Barkley, 4th 1st, Moss for Christian McCaffrey my darkhorse would be Dalvin Cook does anyone know if $ can be retained on a deal? Or how does that work Expand I wouldn’t be surprised. Window is closing. 1 1 1 Quote
boyst Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 2:16 AM, ArtVandalay said: Sources tell me Bills are tired of losing to Mahomes in the playoffs. Bills are trading for him to bench him. Expand I did this back in the day on some football game. Took the players I hated them and put them on my practice squad. 2 Quote
billsfan1959 Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 3:36 AM, mrags said: Are you positive? Because our RBs are absolutely horrendous Expand I’m pretty sure the run blocking from Guard to Guard can’t be much worse. And it’s not a good sign for the running game when it is legitimate debate about who is worse, the RBs or the line 1 Quote
mrags Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 3:36 AM, Peter said: I don't see a lot of room to run. An example from last year: we needed to convert a fourth and one against the Titans at the end of the game. Our line got crushed. In particularly, our supposed best lineman (Dawkins) got blown up. That play was one of the most important plays last year as it turns out. You could pretty much insert any of the top RBs in the history of the NFL behind this line and they would perform worse than they otherwise would. I am not saying we have a bunch of all pros at RB, but the line has performed worse and limits any potential our RBs have. As I wrote in the post above, PFF ranks us dead last in run blocking with a grade of 47.5. To put that in perspective, KC has the top grade with 77.6 and the team ranked 16 is Detroit with 59.2. P.S. I know some have issues with PFF's grades and grading, but they have us dead last. Not in the top five or top half or stop 3/4. We are dead last. Not a recipe for success. And that is with one of the better offensive line coaches in the NFL. Expand Good players make things happen. Our RBs aren’t good. End of story On 10/9/2022 at 3:54 AM, billsfan1959 said: I’m pretty sure the run blocking from Guard to Guard can’t be much worse. And it’s not a good sign for the running game when it is legitimate debate about who is worse, the RBs or the line Expand Yeah I know. It’s a terrible sign for the running game. Maybe if we had some actual NFL RBs we might actually be able to actually have a running game. Quote
Buffalo03 Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 On 10/8/2022 at 11:36 PM, Rc2catch said: I get the running back part, but in some cases like CMC if Carolina is eating a lot of the money it’s not the worst idea. I highly doubt he’s worth a 1st rounder right now though. I don’t see how they maneuver the cap mid season to fit any contract of significance in though. I know they can free some space up, but I don’t think that’s something they’re gonna unless it’s an emergency. Expand There was a report by Jason LA Canfora that said he has heard rumblings that if the Panthers keep losing and are 1-6 at the deadline that Matt Rhule gets fired and they trade McCaffrey and eat over $20 million of his salary to make it happen. 1 Quote
Richard Noggin Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 On 10/8/2022 at 11:54 PM, Dablitzkrieg said: I'm not giving a first for "an" RB Expand What if you sound out the letters R-B rather than saying "running back?" Does that sway you at all? Quote
That's No Moon Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 4:48 AM, Buffalo03 said: There was a report by Jason LA Canfora that said he has heard rumblings that if the Panthers keep losing and are 1-6 at the deadline that Matt Rhule gets fired and they trade McCaffrey and eat over $20 million of his salary to make it happen. Expand NFL teams are allowed to retain salary in trades? I thought that was just a hockey thing to lower cap hits. Quote
mannc Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 1:06 AM, Alphadawg7 said: I get where you are coming from...but GM's don't (and shouldn't) think that way. I am not even talking about the RB spot or if we will or not make a trade. In general, the goal is to win a SB...what we have or haven't used draft picks on prior to today has no relevance to what they see today as a need to upgrade to increase our chances for a SB. And we already know Beane doesn't think like this because if he did he wouldn't have used a 2nd round pick on a DE one year and then the next used a 1st and a 2nd back to back again on DE. Same with RB...he is taken a RB in 3rd, 3rd, and 2nd rounds in each of the last 3 drafts. You do what you need to do until you have filled that hole the way you wanted to. Now none of this means we are making a trade, I don't know how McD and Beane feel about the RB position here right now. What I do know is that they are not using our personnel correctly thus far...too few rush attempts for our best RB in Devin, too many snaps for Moss, and not enough opportunities for Cook. Before I would make a trade, I would make Moss inactive, give Devin 15 carries and cook 5-7 targets in a game and see what they do with them. Because Devin has been effective consistently when given chances his whole career, but they keep forcing this 2 headed non-sense with Moss who is inferior to Devin in every facet of the game. And Cook has not been give much chance to shine yet other than garbage time against Titans where he did pretty well. But that is also because he fumbled his first snap and then dropped an easy pass too. But let the kid get some rhythm and confidence before we know if we need to make a trade. Expand I get what you’re saying…sunk cost fallacy, etc..but my point is that you just drafted a guy high who’s expected to bring McCaffrey-like skills to the table and you’re going to cut bait before you even give him a chance? That makes no sense, and there’s no way Beane does it, especially at RB. 1 Quote
Buffalo03 Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 4:59 AM, That's No Moon said: NFL teams are allowed to retain salary in trades? I thought that was just a hockey thing to lower cap hits. Expand It was part of the report. I don't know if it can actually happen or not Quote
Malazan Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 I heard the Bills are trading for Aaron Rodgers from cashier at my grocery store which is a self checkout. Quote
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