Turning Point: Breaking down the Poyer endzone INT

[1ManRaid]

4 hours ago, Einstein said:

This was such an elite play by All Pro Po.

 

The ground he covered in less time than it took the football to travel through the air… just incredible.

 

 

 

A positive thread?  Who are you and what did you to with Einstein?

 

4 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

I can't really kill them for going for it for several reasons:

 

1) The Bills have been excellent at preventing teams from reaching the redzone but not great once they get there.  They allowed 8 RZ possessions by teams prior to that and 7 of them turned into TDs.  Granted, 2 of them started at the Bills 7 and 4 yard lines thanks to turnovers.

 

2) Allen was "hotted up" as they'd say in England.  Since the last drive of the first half where they scored a TD they had 4 drives of over 50 yards and scored on all of them.  The only possession where they didn't score was the first Poyer INT.  Basically there was a good chance the Bills were going to march down the field and score a TD(which is what would have happened if they needed it).

 

3) Lamar Jackson had never had a RZ turnover in the regular season.  Harbaugh basically figured they would score a TD or the Bills get the ball on their 2 yard line.  He never considered Jackson would throw an INT and the Bills would have it on their 20 and out of danger.

 

4) You have an MVP caliber player at QB, if you aren't going to trust him to get 2 yards, what message does that send to your team?

 

 

Sadly the seemingly vast majority of people online won't understand the analytics and base football knowledge that went into the objectively correct choice to go for it there.  All anyone cares about is box scores and stats without context.  I can't imagine how many people in the YouTube comments think I'm a Ravens fan this past week, with my defense of Harb.

[Ralonzo]

I'm just glad Poyer realized he was covering nobody before Lamar did.

[SoCal Deek]

28 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

Sadly the seemingly vast majority of people online won't understand the analytics and base football knowledge that went into the objectively correct choice to go for it there.  All anyone cares about is box scores and stats without context.  I can't imagine how many people in the YouTube comments think I'm a Ravens fan this past week, with my defense of Harb.

Okie Dokie….if you say so. I still kick the field goal. 

[Jauronimo]

I readily admit that I know very little about coverages but did Poyer let his man sit wide open in the endzone and then have to make a heroic effort to redeem himself?  Everyone else besides the linebackers has a man.

[RoyBatty is alive]

18 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I readily admit that I know very little about coverages but did Poyer let his man sit wide open in the endzone and then have to make a heroic effort to redeem himself?  Everyone else besides the linebackers has a man.

Yes, he was beat bad and got bailed out because Lamar was back pedaling and stressed under the rush.  A lot of assumptions on my part but unless I knew what the exact defensive call , there is no way to know for certain.  As one of the safeties. how he let one totally uncovered I assume has to be his fault or at least partially.

Edited October 7, 2022 by RoyBatty is alive

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Yes, he was beat bad and got bailed out because lamar was back pedaling and stressed under the rush

He doesn't look like a guy who was beat and then tried to recover which is why I ask?  Even after he loses sight of Duvernay he is still watching Lamar. 

 

Was Poyer supposed to hand off coverage to Dane Jackson who instead went to Andrews? Taron also went to Andrews then saw Dane and moved to cover the flat which is why I think Jackson might have taken the wrong man.  

[Einstein]

14 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Yes, he was beat bad and got bailed out because Lamar was back pedaling and stressed under the rush.

 

We’re the Bills playing man?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

The play sums up NFL so well. The teams are so closely matched. At the outset of the play the defense got burnt letting a wide open guy get to the corner of the endzone. Then not one but two Bills pass rushers put pressure on Jackson. Then Poyer makes an all-Pro play by recognizing the blown coverage and getting there in time for the INT. 

Everyone mocks Jauron for saying it, but it takes a lot of things to go right to win in the NFL. Having a potential league MVP at QB covers up for some stuff but not everything.  

[RoyBatty is alive]

10 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

We’re the Bills playing man?

does it matter, he was still responsible for the left hand of the end zone,  someone else probably Jackson lost coverage.   there is no one anywhere near, as Poyer said he was wide ass open, 

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

does it matter, he was still responsible for the left hand of the end zone,  someone else probably Jackson lost coverage.   there is no one anywhere near, as Poyer said he was wide ass open, 

 

It does matter. Just because a safety has a side of the field doesn’t mean that it’s not someone else’s guy.

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

It does matter. Just because a safety has a side of the field doesn’t mean that it’s not someone else’s guy.

re read what I wrote, "someone else probably Jackson lost coverage"  meaning it was probably  someone else's guy but as safety unless this is a very unique defense, that half the field  was his responsibility.

[AuntieEm]

6 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Excellent play by Poyer and a really bad decision by the Ravens to go for it. The Seahawks did the same thing last night with the same result. Not sure when coaches became such riverboat gamblers but I’d kick the field goal in both situations. 

 

 

  I think coaches became riverboat gamblers because there are several of the top teams with elite qbs that routinely go for 4 and short because they have the advantage and they succeed more often than not.  The Ravens and Lamarr say he's an mvp candidate and an elite Franchize QB they can hardly justify coaching or playing scared when there's a chance to win the game.  Not after they blew the lead in last game as well.  Just their bad luck the Bills have the superior and well seasoned team that has the offense and defense that can rally and make up for a bad start.  

 

[Utah John]

6 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Micah Hyde was asked about this and said something to the effect of "well Durrr".

 

Makes me wonder how many of these guys are being held back by battling personal demons/addictions

 

 

Bills got burnt in Tenn when we went for it instead of kicking a FG to tie - which I thought at the time was a statement of "No Confidence" in our defense.

In that Tennessee game, the defenses were really gassed.  Winning in OT was going to come down to the coin flip.  I never blamed McD for that call.

[Utah John]

The only comparable play I can remember is Hyde's interception of Mac and cheese in the playoff game last year.  In both cases, a strong throw by the QB, or a throw to the outside shoulder of the receiver, would have prevented the great Bills plays -- at least the interceptions, and possibly not even a pass breakup.

 

Something to consider about the Ravens kicking the FG and going up by 3.  When the Bills get the ball back, they're in four down territory all the way down the field.  As it was, if the Bills didn't convert a third down somewhere along the way, they'd have had to punt or try a FG of their own, putting the ball and the initiative back on the side of the Ravens.  Of course if the Ravens had scored a TD, the Bills would have been in four down play all the way, too, but that would have been to tie and not win.

[Big Turk]

6 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Micah Hyde was asked about this and said something to the effect of "well Durrr".

 

Makes me wonder how many of these guys are being held back by battling personal demons/addictions

 

 

Bills got burnt in Tenn when we went for it instead of kicking a FG to tie - which I thought at the time was a statement of "No Confidence" in our defense.

 

It was a statement that we have Josh F***ing Allen and we do things differently because of it.

[Ralonzo]

12 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

It was a statement that we have Josh F***ing Allen and we do things differently because of it.

 

They also do things differently because of it.

[Beck Water]

46 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

It was a statement that we have Josh F***ing Allen and we do things differently because of it.

 

Then we have to take the L when it doesn't work out in our favor.

 

If that's how you view it, then the Ravens were making a statement that they have Lamar ***** Jackson and they do things differently, and they too need to take the L when it doesn't work out in their favor.

 

[Big Turk]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

Then we have to take the L when it doesn't work out in our favor.

 

If that's how you view it, then the Ravens were making a statement that they have Lamar ***** Jackson and they do things differently, and they too need to take the L when it doesn't work out in their favor.

 

 

I am fine with it because on balance I expect to win with Allen in those situations much more than lose and they should feel the same way with Jackson.  I have no problems with them going for it. Pretty much whenever.

[JohnNord]

8 hours ago, Einstein said:

This was such an elite play by All Pro Po.

 

The ground he covered in less time than it took the football to travel through the air… just incredible.

 

 

Not having Poyer available on Sunday is going to hurt the Bills just like it against Miami

[Buffalo716]

7 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

I readily admit that I know very little about coverages but did Poyer let his man sit wide open in the endzone and then have to make a heroic effort to redeem himself?  Everyone else besides the linebackers has a man.

I really haven’t watched the play in depth 

 

But It shouldn’t be hard to decipher the coverage based on a few keys

 

ill check it out