Goal Line Stand vs Ravens

[Bills2022]

Our D played great, but Lamar does his job and that is a TD. He just didn't see a wide open receiver.  I think the D was huge on 3rd down.  I thought Lamar was going to just run it in. 

[Bob in STL]

2 hours ago, Airseven said:

The most valuable contributor in that sequence for the Bills was Harbaugh.

wrong on so many levels. 

20 minutes ago, Bills2022 said:

Our D played great, but Lamar does his job and that is a TD. He just didn't see a wide open receiver.  I think the D was huge on 3rd down.  I thought Lamar was going to just run it in. 

He didn't see them because of the pressure.  Rousseau is a big guy.  

[Bills2022]

1 minute ago, Bob in STL said:

He didn't see them because of the pressure.  Rousseau is a big guy.  

 

I have watched it a few times.  He never looked that way.  #28 was open. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yexb3YbCLC4

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, HoofHearted said:

Drops are based on QB eyes. If Jackson were to have looked Milano's side first the coverage would be a lot tighter backside. It's all about closing down passing lanes.

 

Thank you for saying this. Still photo QB analysis is my least favorite kind of analysis. By the time Lamar should have been looking to the other side of the field the pressure had already gotten to him. I don't think this was a horrible play from him, the defense covered his first read and got pressure before he moved on. Then Poyer made the instinctual play to take away the one open WR. The one thing you can criticize Lamar for is throwing a wobbler off his back foot in the red zone because an interception there is the worst possible outcome.

[fan_in_tx]

3 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

Great sequence here.  A little bit of everything... pass underneath, made tackle. Huge run stuff blowing up the RB for a loss. Jackson runs tackled short. Jackson scrambles and throws intercepted. 

 

Defense literally covered everything in those 4 downs.

 

Check out Bryant (93) on the 2nd down run.. slips block and pushes back second blocker / tackles him freeing up Milano!   Just awesome!

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, HoofHearted said:

 

Then this is a conversation no longer worth having. Everyone is more worried about being right on here than learning something I guess.

 

I dont think you get my meaning.  I know enough about football that I care to know.  I've played football and I have been watching football for 40 years.  I dont need to know every intricate detail about every facet of football to watch and enjoy the game.  I especially dont need to know what exactly is his reads are... hint unless you are him or greg roman you dont know either... to know a receiver is wide open, he didnt get him the ball or even look at him, and he doesnt read more than half the field almost ever.  Also that he locked on his target until he threw a flutter ball to Poyer.

 

I dont need to know everything about football to know what I see.  Im not a coach.  Im not an NFL player.  I know too many other things that are relevant to my life to have room to know stupid ***** that doesnt matter one iota to me.  If you want to be a football coach then go ahead and be all high and mighty that you think you know what you know and go apply.  Otherwise STFU with your epeen about it.  You're on a fan message board not a job interview.  People dont need to learn anything more than the basics.  I dont give two ***** what that play is called.  I dont give two ***** what exact routes those receivers were supposed to run.  I dont give two ***** about what his progressions are.  

 

He didnt even go through any progressions.  If he had then he would have found the open man and got him the ball.  You have said nothing to dispute that with all your football wisdom.

 

With that, I am done with this conversation with you.  Your knowledge about football is only impressive if you have a job in the field.  I have knowledge of industrial maintenance, plcs, electricity, machine repair, automated paint control, pumps, pneumatics, hydralics, automotive repair in all aspects because I was a master technician before switching fields, plumbing, HVAC, CNC repair, CNC coding, C++, Python, javascript, html, css, swift, swiftui, uikit, etc, etc, etc no room for mastering everything football.

Edited October 4, 2022 by Scott7975

[Scott7975]

31 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Thank you for saying this. Still photo QB analysis is my least favorite kind of analysis. By the time Lamar should have been looking to the other side of the field the pressure had already gotten to him. I don't think this was a horrible play from him, the defense covered his first read and got pressure before he moved on. Then Poyer made the instinctual play to take away the one open WR. The one thing you can criticize Lamar for is throwing a wobbler off his back foot in the red zone because an interception there is the worst possible outcome.

 

Wrong.  It was 2.5 seconds before the pressure got to the point Lamar started to move.  Thats plenty of time for an NFL QB to scan the field. Never even looked because he is a half field QB.

[HappyDays]

Just now, Scott7975 said:

 

Wrong.  It was 2.5 seconds before the pressure got to the point Lamar started to move.  Thats plenty of time for an NFL QB to scan the field. Never even looked because he is a half field QB.

 

I do think he lingered on Andrews a tick too long, and in the NFL a tick is an eternity. Personally if I were a Ravens fan I would be more frustrated at the OL for allowing quick pressure without a blitzer. 

[Billsfan1972]

4 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

Great sequence here.  A little bit of everything... pass underneath, made tackle. Huge run stuff blowing up the RB for a loss. Jackson runs tackled short. Jackson scrambles and throws intercepted. 

 

Defense literally covered everything in those 4 downs.

 

Haven't read all the responses yet but he had a wide-open receiver on third down right in front of him check .23 in.  That's a pass the Mahomes makes.

Edited October 4, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[TH3]

3 hours ago, Airseven said:

The most valuable contributor in that sequence for the Bills was Harbaugh.

Another post in the vein of "Bills suck"? 

2 hours ago, bmur66 said:

Awesome ain't it? Bills came up big.

93 played great the whole game

[GoBills808]

20 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I dont think you get my meaning.  I know enough about football that I care to know.  I've played football and I have been watching football for 40 years.  I dont need to know every intricate detail about every facet of football to watch and enjoy the game.  I especially dont need to know what exactly is his reads are... hint unless you are him or greg roman you dont know either... to know a receiver is wide open, he didnt get him the ball or even look at him, and he doesnt read more than half the field almost ever.  Also that he locked on his target until he threw a flutter ball to Poyer.

 

I dont need to know everything about football to know what I see.  Im not a coach.  Im not an NFL player.  I know too many other things that are relevant to my life to have room to know stupid ***** that doesnt matter one iota to me.  If you want to be a football coach then go ahead and be all high and mighty that you think you know what you know and go apply.  Otherwise STFU with your epeen about it.  You're on a fan message board not a job interview.  People dont need to learn anything more than the basics.  I dont give two ***** what that play is called.  I dont give two ***** what exact routes those receivers were supposed to run.  I dont give two ***** about what his progressions are.  

 

He didnt even go through any progressions.  If he had then he would have found the open man and got him the ball.  You have said nothing to dispute that with all your football wisdom.

 

With that, I am done with this conversation with you.  Your knowledge about football is only impressive if you have a job in the field.  I have knowledge of industrial maintenance, plcs, electricity, machine repair, automated paint control, pumps, pneumatics, hydralics, automotive repair in all aspects because I was a master technician before switching fields, plumbing, HVAC, CNC repair, CNC coding, C++, Python, javascript, html, css, swift, swiftui, uikit, etc, etc, etc no room for mastering everything football.

He is a football coach, that's his profession I'm pretty sure

[Scott7975]

8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

He is a football coach, that's his profession I'm pretty sure

 

Well good for him then.  I'm not and dont care to be

Edited October 4, 2022 by Scott7975

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

4th down…He looks at his one read..then looks down at the linemen…no where to run, it is too late and starts to backpedal and under throws receiver.  

[Scott7975]

16 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I do think he lingered on Andrews a tick too long, and in the NFL a tick is an eternity. Personally if I were a Ravens fan I would be more frustrated at the OL for allowing quick pressure without a blitzer. 

 

At one point this season Josh avg time to throw on the season was 2.3x seconds.  He had 2.5 seconds there before he had to move.  He also had two gaping holes on the left side of the pocket that he could have gone through but he didnt look.  

 

I mean I dont really care.  Its not my QB and Im thankful for that.  He is a star athlete but not a star QB.  

Edited October 4, 2022 by Scott7975

[Bob in STL]

14 minutes ago, Bills2022 said:

 

I have watched it a few times.  He never looked that way.  #28 was open. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yexb3YbCLC4

He glanced that way and 28 was still behind the LOS, he quickly look that way again and saw Lawson breaking free (Lawson was held but contained Lamar in the pocket at least), plus the Bills linebacker was there near 28. 

 

It looks easy on Youtube and you can imagine it is much harder on field level.  Lamar got the ball out late because of pressure.  Poyer read Lamar and made the play.  Like Allen missing McKenzie in Miami, no one makes every play.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:

Disagree.  If you believe in the analytics or not, you assess what has happened to that point in the game and make a decision off that... I'd go for that as well. 

 

I could list out all the reasons as to why you go for it, but it was the INT that really caused the decision to backfire.  Pinning a team at their 2, in pouring rain is usually not a bad decision. 

 

I'm convinced Josh drives us for a TD, if they kick that FG.

well it was first and goal inside the 2, of hope that could’ve been a TD if needed

[Billsfan1972]

Maybe a bad call on second down, but a great play by Milano, but missed open receivers on third and fourth down.  See .23 seconds on third and wide open receiver receiver right in front of him.

[eball]

4 hours ago, SWATeam said:

That 3rd down run I thought for sure he was going to get in.  

 

Until that bust 1st round LB swallowed him up.

 

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, fan_in_tx said:

Check out Bryant (93) on the 2nd down run.. slips block and pushes back second blocker / tackles him freeing up Milano!   Just awesome!

 

Yeah Bryant made that play initially by taking on 3 blockers, then Edmunds freed up Milano to make the play by taking on the lead block and blowing him up.

[HoofHearted]

3 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I dont think you get my meaning.  I know enough about football that I care to know.  I've played football and I have been watching football for 40 years.  I dont need to know every intricate detail about every facet of football to watch and enjoy the game.  I especially dont need to know what exactly is his reads are... hint unless you are him or greg roman you dont know either... to know a receiver is wide open, he didnt get him the ball or even look at him, and he doesnt read more than half the field almost ever.  Also that he locked on his target until he threw a flutter ball to Poyer.

 

I dont need to know everything about football to know what I see.  Im not a coach.  Im not an NFL player.  I know too many other things that are relevant to my life to have room to know stupid ***** that doesnt matter one iota to me.  If you want to be a football coach then go ahead and be all high and mighty that you think you know what you know and go apply.  Otherwise STFU with your epeen about it.  You're on a fan message board not a job interview.  People dont need to learn anything more than the basics.  I dont give two ***** what that play is called.  I dont give two ***** what exact routes those receivers were supposed to run.  I dont give two ***** about what his progressions are.  

 

He didnt even go through any progressions.  If he had then he would have found the open man and got him the ball.  You have said nothing to dispute that with all your football wisdom.

 

With that, I am done with this conversation with you.  Your knowledge about football is only impressive if you have a job in the field.  I have knowledge of industrial maintenance, plcs, electricity, machine repair, automated paint control, pumps, pneumatics, hydralics, automotive repair in all aspects because I was a master technician before switching fields, plumbing, HVAC, CNC repair, CNC coding, C++, Python, javascript, html, css, swift, swiftui, uikit, etc, etc, etc no room for mastering everything football.

 

1) He didn't lock on to a target - you must have missed me explaining that on this reply:

2) See above where I talk about him looking (with screenshot proof) to the two receiver side.

3) I guess you'll be impressed to know that I do work in the field.

 

I thought this was a football message board - you know - where you talk football. Didn't realize only novice football fans were allowed to post here. That's on me. My bad.