Poyer wins the game

[Matt_In_NH]

8 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

What happens if Poyer doesnt step into that pass and get the INT? He literally won us that game. Completely different outcome if Ravens get a TD there. At the very best we go to OT after going down the field and getting a TD.

 

 

The play was huge, but the answer to your question is we don't know.  If the Bills gain the 76 yards they did starting from the 20 they are well within FG range.  If it goes to OT, all things being equal 50/50 the Bills win.  Not sure how we can conclude "completely different outcome"  

[CoudyBills]

7 hours ago, ßookie_tech said:

Why did Lamar wait so long to throw it? Duvernay was WIDE open. It looked like he wanted to go to Andrews, but Poyer jumped on him, leaving that vacant spot in the zone. But yeah it was an insane play to make it to the ball. 

Pass rush

[Freddie's Dead]

8 hours ago, SCBills said:

Great play.  Great player.  Seems like a good person. 
 

Content creators once again urging the Bills to “Pay Po”… completely annoying.  
 

Who would they like us to sacrifice for an over 30 Safety?   Or are they just cool with kicking the can down the road and wasting an eventual year of Allen due to cap penance so we can extend anyone who plays well. 
 

If we let Oliver walk and/or don’t plan on paying Gabe Davis (not necessarily against this) then - by all means - extend everyone we’d like.  

 

Because he's the best safety we've seen since Henry Jones and he shows no signs of slowing down.  A decent 3 to 4 year deal can be worked out.  Not having him cost us the Miami game.

[GunnerBill]

What happens if Norwood's kick doesn't go wide right? 

 

 

Welcome to the N if L.

[Billsfan1972]

7 hours ago, billieve420 said:

Lamar stared down Andrews from the start and when it wasn’t there it was too late. 

Two plays were wide open and Lamar made the wrong read.  The fact he threw it and was in the direction of an open receiver was actually impressive, but was way too late and too much arc.

[NeverOutNick]

8 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I’d take a 30 year old All-Pro Poyer over Ed Oliver.

 

Besides, age may not bother Beane.  We just signed a 34 year old DE to a 6 year contract.

Wonder if we can just franchise tag him next year instead of giving him a long term deal if age is the concern. He’s definitely earned big money regardless but would love to keep him while still in his prime to help win a couple Superbowls this year and next 

[Long Suffering Fan]

35 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Because he's the best safety we've seen since Henry Jones and he shows no signs of slowing down.  A decent 3 to 4 year deal can be worked out.  Not having him cost us the Miami game.

 

I very much respect the reference to Hank, who I loved, but I think Poyer is better.  

 

The Poyer-Hyde combo at safety, which we may not see again, has to be the best duo at safety ever.  It is not just that they make big plays, people can't go deep on us even when we are fielding rookie corners.  It is like their play has scared QBs away from the deep half of the field.

[SCBills]

39 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

Because he's the best safety we've seen since Henry Jones and he shows no signs of slowing down.  A decent 3 to 4 year deal can be worked out.  Not having him cost us the Miami game.

A lot of things cost us the Miami game, not just Poyer.  
 

And I agree, he’s one of the best Safeties in the game, but we can’t resign everyone. 
 

I will say that I’ve been of the mindset that Gabe Davis would break out and we’d have to have money available for him, but given his injury history… maybe he’s the odd guy out after next year and we start drafting some WR’s high.  
 

One of the core players is likely on the outside looking in… Poyer, Edmunds, Davis and Oliver.  Potentially two of them.  

[Freddie's Dead]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

A lot of things cost us the Miami game, not just Poyer.  
 

And I agree, he’s one of the best Safeties in the game, but we can’t resign everyone. 
 

I will say that I’ve been of the mindset that Gabe Davis would break out and we’d have to have money available for him, but given his injury history… maybe he’s the odd guy out after next year and we start drafting some WR’s high.  
 

One of the core players is likely on the outside looking in… Poyer, Edmunds, Davis and Oliver.  Potentially two of them.  

 

The play to Waddle cost us the Miami game.  No way that ball gets there with Poyer or Hyde in the game.  GM ain't my job, but if it was, I figure out a way to keep Poyer.

[Beck Water]

9 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

What happens if Poyer doesnt step into that pass and get the INT? He literally won us that game. Completely different outcome if Ravens get a TD there. At the very best we go to OT after going down the field and getting a TD.

 

 

 

Sal Capaccio put up the nifty little moving diagram

 

 

6 hours ago, Freak-O said:

If i recall correctly he was marking another guy at first but then left him to go and get the interception. 

 

It's a good question to me who is supposed to be covering Duvernay

Dane Jackson is all alone over there with Andrews and Duvernay, and he's giving most of his attention to Andrews.

 

[Awwufelloff]

6 hours ago, Bronxbomber21 said:

I would've payed Ed Oliver and or Poyer before Knox

100% those 2 are far more important than Knox is. 

[Neo]

8 hours ago, Rubes said:

True, though it was Shaq who was applying much of the pressure…

You are correct.   He was obviously held, too.  A fortuitous “no call.”  Shaq is making the most of his snaps.  Glad he’s here.  

[What a Tuel]

35 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

The play to Waddle cost us the Miami game.  No way that ball gets there with Poyer or Hyde in the game.  GM ain't my job, but if it was, I figure out a way to keep Poyer.

 

That was my thoughts during this game. No way they convert that 3rd and 22 with Hyde and Poyer in the game.

[Magox]

10 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

What happens if Poyer doesnt step into that pass and get the INT? He literally won us that game. Completely different outcome if Ravens get a TD there. At the very best we go to OT after going down the field and getting a TD.

 

 

 

Same can be said of Shaq Lawson, if he doesn't get pressure and cause Lamar to back peddle as much as he did then the throw he has to make doesn't have to go from as far with as lobbed of a throw which most likely means the pass goes for a TD.

 

Same can be said of Rousseau, if he doesn't have contain with his pass pressure, Lawson's pressure most likely would have caused Lamar to scramble out to the side where he threw the ball making it a much easier pass.

 

Often times we see a player "make the play" but in reality the teamwork involved helps that play become possible.

[clayboy54]

9 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

Without Poyer we likely lose that game.

Without Josh, we likely lose the game.

Without TBass we likely lose the game.

Without Milano we likely lose the game.

Good God, what's your point?

[Freddie's Dead]

4 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

Without Josh, we likely lose the game.

Without TBass we likely lose the game.

Without Milano we likely lose the game.

Good God, what's your point?

 

On a day where few Bills could make plays, Poyer made two plays that saved the game.  We lose that game without him.

[billsfan1959]

10 hours ago, ßookie_tech said:

Why did Lamar wait so long to throw it? Duvernay was WIDE open. It looked like he wanted to go to Andrews, but Poyer jumped on him, leaving that vacant spot in the zone. But yeah it was an insane play to make it to the ball. 

 

Jackson's first read was to his left and then he scans right (From All 22):

 

(1) The 1st set of photos is when Jackson first scans to the right and Duvernay isn't open yet (Not shown is Jackson then quickly scans back toward the middle and then back to Duvernay)

 

(2) The 2nd set of photos is when Jackson recognizes Duvernay is open

 

(3) The 3rd set of photos shows Jackson trying to set up at the 15 yard line to throw (the video shows it better), but Lawson is almost on him, so he retreats backward. If he would have been able to throw at this point, it is a TD

 

(4) The 4th set of phots shows Jackson finally making the throw at about the 20. You can see Poyer already heading over at this time. Jackson is never able to get set up because Lawson and Rousseau are chasing him and he can't step into the throw.

 

Because of Lawson and Rousseau, Poyer is able to make a great play

 

[Freddie's Dead]

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Jackson's first read was to his left and then he scans right (From All 22):

 

(1) The 1st set of photos is when Jackson first scans to the right and Duvernay isn't open yet (Not shown is Jackson then quickly scans back toward the middle and then back to Duvernay)

 

(2) The 2nd set of photos is when Jackson recognizes Duvernay is open

 

(3) The 3rd set of photos shows Jackson trying to set up at the 15 yard line to throw (the video shows it better), but Lawson is almost on him, so he retreats backward. If he would have been able to throw at this point, it is a TD

 

(4) The 4th set of phots shows Jackson finally making the throw at about the 20. You can see Poyer already heading over at this time. Jackson is never able to get set up because Lawson and Rousseau are chasing him and he can't step into the throw.

 

Because of Lawson and Rousseau, Poyer is able to make a great play

 

 

Poyer's recognition on this play was other*****in'worldly.  PAY THAT MAN HIS MONEY!!!

[The Jokeman]

10 hours ago, Special K said:

All the talking heads were talking about the decision of the Ravens to go for it on 4th down, but none of them mentioned how amazing of an INT that was.  Poyer ran from the middle of the field all the way to the sideline to make that play.

 

One of the best efforts on an interception you will see!

I didn't realize it live but watching the replay it definitely was a great snag, also lucky that the Ravens WR didn't try to bang Poyer harder to jar the ball loose. 

[Ta111]

Yes, without the pressure from Lawson and Rousseau it’s likely Jackson has enough time to get the ball to the receiver. While it was a nice recovery by Poyer, without the great pass rush it’s a TD. Complimentary football.