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16 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

They all have proven track records, Cook does not.  He needs to make that catch when given the opportunity, and then he’ll get more chances.

That's not how it works.  Rookies are the ones who are learning and are expected to make mistakes.  Vets don't get a pass just because they're vets.

 

And considering Singletary is a vet of what has been a mediocre running game at best, I'm not sure why it is you think Singletary gets a pass.  He certainly has no history that makes him untouchable or should make him immune to scrutiny when he puts the ball on the ground, which leads to points for the other team.

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15 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

You trade the f up when you can get a stud in a SB run year - especially when your top RB will be a UFA

 

 

We could have drafted everyone we did plus Breece in RD 2 or late RD 1.  Would have cost a 2nd maybe in 2023.  And this year's 2nd.  

 

7 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:


Absolutely. I would have easily made moves to secure Hall. Pretty sad when a 5th round pick Shakir is playing better than Cook. 

“Cook can’t hold onto the ball. We should’ve traded up for the guy who also has a fumble AND leads the league in drops instead.”

 

Jfc you literally can’t make this stuff up

 

https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232
 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/receiving_advanced.htm

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1 hour ago, Aurelius said:

More reason he can’t be yanked after one mistake.  He’s a rookie and is on a big stage now.  How can any new player get any confidence that way?  I frankly think this is in McDermott.  It took both Singletary and Moss years to get going under McDermott as well and I don’t like how Cook is getting yanked forever after a mistake.  I think it’s partially the tough early season schedule as well, but we are gonna need him down the stretch.  Pittsburgh might be the right game to get him started a bit. 

You don't know anything about how Cook prepares, how he practices, his grasp the offense, or if he can help pass protect.  

 

He needs to stop dropping the ball the first time he touches it.  He looks like a guy that is not prepared when he is out there. 

 

He has to earn the right to play.  

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The only way we are going to see improvement from Cook is by getting him more game reps…..

 

I said from day 1, I wasn’t expecting to see much of him until after 10 games. So far he’s not getting the reps needed, but at the same time he hasn’t taken advantage of the minimal reps he’s got.

 

It may not happen this year, but there’s a lot of football left. The jump to the NFL is big, and I’m sure the staff isn’t putting much on his plate for a reason…. Still thinking 10-12 games is needed.

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When DROY front runner Devin Lloyd dropped to the Bills pick, I wanted the Bills to take him, immediately trade Edmunds, and then pick up a corner in the 2nd with that pick (Andrew Booth? Elam?)

Yes, I realize it would’ve been sort of Madden-like, but knowing we likely wouldn’t be able to afford Edmunds past this year and picking up a rookie who could potentially be an upgrade anyway - on a cost controlled contract - was enticing. What does this have to do with Cook? I probably would’ve waited until the 3rd to see if he was there. And no, I’m not going to use hindsight to point to the other rookie RBs selected later who have came in and made a difference. 

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18 hours ago, pigpen65 said:

It's definitely time to stop wasting 3 GameDay roster spots to RB's. Two of them ain't doing ***** and the lead rusher is always the QB anyways. Dress more receivers and DB's. 

What wrs would you like to dress.  I think Buff State has a couple healthy ones.

 

Tavon Austin has already shown that he is adequate at best in the NFL.  He has speed, so there is that.  Count me not in Isaiah Hodgins - love his effort, but he doesn’t get separation and he isn’t strong enough to be a dangerous possession receiver.  I think he is a figment of late preseason games.

 

I don’t think Marquez Stevenson is an answer, either.

26 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

You don't know anything about how Cook prepares, how he practices, his grasp the offense, or if he can help pass protect.  

 

He needs to stop dropping the ball the first time he touches it.  He looks like a guy that is not prepared when he is out there. 

 

He has to earn the right to play.  

We’ll, I agree that if he isn’t impressive in practice, then sitting is his role.  But, I also think the “rookie treatment “ for a mistake early is counterproductive unless backed up by failure in practices.

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1 hour ago, Billz4ever said:

That's not how it works.  Rookies are the ones who are learning and are expected to make mistakes.  Vets don't get a pass just because they're vets.

 

And considering Singletary is a vet of what has been a mediocre running game at best, I'm not sure why it is you think Singletary gets a pass.  He certainly has no history that makes him untouchable or should make him immune to scrutiny when he puts the ball on the ground, which leads to points for the other team.

Actually, it works how the coaches say it works.  Maybe, just maybe, Cook hasn't earned the confidence and trust of the coaches, whereas Singletary has.  You aren't at practice all week, so you don't know.

13 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

About as many as the other running backs are killing

Good, we're in agreement then.  About one.

9 hours ago, CoudyBills said:

As many as Zach Moss

Yes, about one and done.

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8 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

Actually, it works how the coaches say it works.  Maybe, just maybe, Cook hasn't earned the confidence and trust of the coaches, whereas Singletary has.  You aren't at practice all week, so you don't know.

Good, we're in agreement then.  About one.

Yes, about one and done.

You're not at practice either and since other players and the coaching staff have literally been singing this guy's praises since training camp, I really don't know what your point is here.

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Just now, Billz4ever said:

You're not at practice either and since other players and the coaching staff have literally been singing this guy's praises since training camp, I really don't know what your point is here.

I think the point is pretty self-evident.  Singing his praises, yet he gets one snap?  What's that saying about actions speaking louder than words?

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1 hour ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

He'd be playing in-game more if he was showing the coaches something in practice. Sorta how it goes... 

Are you at practice?  Did McD tell you this?  If not, that's pure speculation.

 

 

10 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

I think the point is pretty self-evident.  Singing his praises, yet he gets one snap?  What's that saying about actions speaking louder than words?

It's not self-evident at all.  You can speculate and claim correlation implies causation, but in the end, you're still left with nothing but speculation.

 

Unless you somehow happen to be on the ins with McD and he's personally told you the reason Cook doesn't get more reps is because he doesn't trust him, you're guessing.  Period.

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2 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

He'd be playing in-game more if he was showing the coaches something in practice. Sorta how it goes... 

not really the case…. Most times you read everything is implemented in training camp and preseason…. Game week is in preparation of players that are accounted for being in the game…

 

That being said, Cook already knows the personnel he could be in the game with and the plays he may be a part of.

 

During the season there’s not a lot of opportunities “to prove yourself”, that comes with game reps and making those reps count.

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3 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

He is a rookie from a major program, has been through camp and preseason, and been given touches, especially in garbage time.  He can be given time to develop, but not at the expense of the team.  No one rookie is bigger than the team.  Time to execute, make a play, and he gets more time.  If not, try again next week.  Maybe he can get some tips from his fellow draftee Shakir, who though he went 3 rounds lower doesn't seem to have a problem when given a chance.

How about at the expense of Moss running for -1 yards? Can we afford to give that up?

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9 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

How about at the expense of Moss running for -1 yards? Can we afford to give that up?

As I stated previously, Moss should not be given more drive killing opportunities, imho.  Cook, on the other hand, needs to earn his own reps, irrespective of others performance.  No need to conflate the two.

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12 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

As I stated previously, Moss should not be given more drive killing opportunities, imho.  Cook, on the other hand, needs to earn his own reps, irrespective of others performance.  No need to conflate the two.

He's not conflating anything.  We have running back by committee.  Discussing the contributions, or lack thereof of Moss, is a perfectly legitimate observation when the overarching theme here is playing time and the lack of playing time that our Rookie is getting.

 

If the goal here was to ensure the Bills are never able to develop a rookie RB, your thought process will definitely make sure that goal is achieved.

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21 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

Our WR core is shredded and Cook needs to stop making a few plays so that we can use him as our slot guy and move Shakir to the outside. Cook has been overwhelming so far but I truly have high expectations for him. 

 

I think you meant he needs to "start making a few plays" & "Cook has been underwhelming so far."

 

It would be nice if he could be spread out a bit more, but he's had a few timely drops which probably lower the staff's confidence in him.

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6 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

He's not conflating anything. 

Definition of conflate:

1: to bring together : BLEND

2: to combine (things) into a composite whole

 

Yep, that's what happened.  

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34 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

Definition of conflate:

1: to bring together : BLEND

2: to combine (things) into a composite whole

 

Yep, that's what happened.  

What exactly are we combining or "conflating" here?  We're talking about our running game and our running backs are already part of the conversation because they are quite literally what makes up our running game.

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1 hour ago, Billz4ever said:

What exactly are we combining or "conflating" here?  We're talking about our running game and our running backs are already part of the conversation because they are quite literally what makes up our running game.

Well they are two different players who bring different things to the table, so there's that.  And we're literally in a thread to discuss Cook.  And actually, we were specifically discussing Cooks development, not the overall running game.  So the conflation was bringing up Moss and -1 yards when the content being replied to was specifically in regards only to Cook.  So combining Cooks development and the veteran Moss are two separate things you see, might be a little nuanced for you.

 

Anyway, it's cute you following me around and all but this point you think you're making has deteriorated to the point of being silly.  So, Welcome to Ignore, have fun arguing with yourself🤣  Buh bye now 

Posted
22 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Until Singletary stops missing cutback lines the size of Texas, I think it’s fair for the blame to be shared between the O-Line and Running Backs equally.

 

 

 

 


You need the coach cut of the EZ view to see what was really happening here. I’m not abdicating him or responsibility but this view can be misleading 

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