A Few Thoughts About the Ravens Game, in no particular order

[LeGOATski]

19 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

They were at a Bills game. 

So, being inconsiderate to those around you is a "Bills" thing. Got it.

 

Bills Mafia!!!

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 hours ago, Virgil said:

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair.

 

1 - Stadium Experience - Living in Baltimore made attending this game a no-brainer.  I recently discovered a light rail that comes every 10-20 and is $4 round trip.  Considering most parking is $40+ and traffic can be terrible, this made the experience so much better than in the past.  I was well prepared with rain gear, so I didn't get noticed as a Bills fan much.  Those who did notice, didn't seem to care.  I was surprised to see how much the threat of rain hurt attendance.  Tickets for lower bowl were $400 a week prior, but down to almost $75 on game day.  The upper deck was half full, and that may be generous.  In our section, we had some guys who tailgated a bit too hard, and watching the range of emotion on them as the game transpired was entertaining in itself.  I do appreciate the large hallways where the food is, but can't understand how an Italian Sausage is $5 less than in Buffalo.  They also do a great job of representing local restaurants in the stadium.  $16 for a tall cider is a bit much though.  From a game flow perspective, I was surprised when I saw the box score at home.  Obviously, we shut them out in the second half and came all the way back, but it felt like Lamar had way more yards in the second half than he did.  It really felt like the Ravens were going to put it away at any moment, but couldn't finish

 

2 - Questions - Not my normal format, but people don't typically read these whole things, so might as well ask now.  On the very first drive with the INT, who's fault was that?  From the replay I saw, the ball may have been tipped AND it went through Knox's hands.  Is that correct?   Also, on the Lamar scramble for the first down that was reviewed and called a yard short, did he not get the ball past the sticks?  It was really tough to see what was going on for some of these plays and the replays in the stadium were less than stellar.

 

3 - Take away their favorite Toy - In typical Hoodie 🤢fashion, the Bills have done a great job of shutting down the opposing teams favorite weapon.  Against the Dolphins, Hill was non-existent.  In this game, you almost never heard Mark Andrews name get called.  I was worried about him having a big day against us as I didn't know who was possibly going to cover him.  At times, it was comical to see TJ follow him around because of the size difference.  Overall, while the defense did a great job in coverage with everyone, I was surprised to see how little Lamar even targeted Andrews.  I saw a lot of post game comments about how the Bills D threw out a lot of confusing looks, but still.  Just a great job with making Andrews a non-factor.

 

4 - Lately, I've been thinking it's just someone else's job to care
Who am I to sympathize when no one gave a damn?
I've been thinking it's just someone else's job to care
Who am I to wanna try?

 

5 - Refs - I promise, I will get to the good stuff soon, but holy crap were these guys terrible.  I'm going to have to watch the replay of this game to make sure I'm not crazy, but there were a bunch of calls I saw on the screen that looks like they missed.  However, the lack of holding calls against the the Ravens OT's was insane.  There were multiple times where you could see the Bills DE being dragged to the ground, holding up their other arm, and getting their jerseys spun around.  It was really, REALLY bad.  I don't know how these weren't called and it was beyond "letting them play."

 

6 - Receivers - I know the ball was wet and we cleaned it up a bunch in the second half.  Seriously, Diggs, Shakir, and Knox all made beautiful sideline catches during the comeback.  However, I am getting really concerned with Knox and Davis.  It seems like both didn't commit to some catches, tried making body catches, or just got physically outplayed by the defender.  Similar to last year, Davis appears to be hurt and he's a mere shell of himself out there.  It's to the point where he might be better resting, as he doesn't seem to pose a threat at all.  Knox, I have no idea what's going on there.  I get that we are using him to block a lot, but still.  I don't get the contract if this is how we are going to use him.  I know Josh has a lot of faith in him, but from my seats, Knox killed that first drive.  With injuries as they are, and I'm not a trade guy, but I wonder if Beane should be making calls.  I heard someone mention DJ Moore from Carolina as a target and I think he'd be perfect here.  I don't think we can rely on OBJ bouncing back, maintaining his form, and learning the offense quick enough to be a real factor this season.

 

 7- Interior Defensive Line - Was anyone else concerned at the massive holes being opened up down the middle by the Ravens offensive line?  I knew our pass rush up the middle would suffer without Oliver and Phillips, but I figured Settle and Jones would be able to take up space.  There were a few plays were it was like the red sea parted.  We were useless on short yardage rushing situations (again, until when it mattered in the end).  Just a minor concern here, but noticeable.  I can't wait to get Jordan and Ed back.

 

8 - Dorsey/Kromer - I know I keep going negative, and I'm sorry, but it's what I saw.  Our play calling for running plays, and subsequent blocking support is getting worse each game it seems.  After the first Poyer interception, Dorsey called some terrible plays and basically wasted the opportunity.  Yes, Dorsey also gets credit for the winning drive, which was perfect, but the run play calling was terrible.  I was hopeful after the Rams game, as we showed so many different looks.  But now, it's shotgun handoffs between the G/T for no gain on second down.  There's no creativity, no push up front, nothing.  Where's the jet sweep?  Where's the toss play?  Where's anything else?  The Chiefs right now are scary on offense because they are finding a rushing attack that you have to respect.  Right now, I don't know if we could run the ball if the defense only had 3 in the box.

 

9 - The Tampa Affect - As we came back in this game, all I could think about was the Bucs game from last year.  The Bills were a shell of their former selves that season and couldn't really get anything going until halftime at the Bucs game.  While we didn't win that game, our offense finally woke up and we were a different team after.  Granted, I thought we'd come out swinging after the Dolphins loss, but I was insta-depressed to see the same crappy execution in the first quarter of this game.  The Ravens seemed faster, hit harder, and actually wanted to be on the field.  We gave up another short field turnover and were down 20-3 early.  However, we have Josh and that man doesn't go down easily.  To see this team pull themselves back together and execute at the level they did...Wow.  It wasn't an explosive performance nor all at once.  It almost felt like the Patriots Superbowl comeback, slow and steady.  Either way, just an amazing job by the defense to mostly keep Lamar contained (Seriously, what was the spy plan?)  Poyer continues to earn more money on that extension.  And many guys made the most of their opportunities; I'm looking at you Hamlin and Shakir.  Hopefuly, this will carry over into our next game, we can get up by 21 so Cook can get more carries and confidence.  I'm sorry, but he's just killing me right now for a 2nd round pick.  He played at Georgia, this shouldn't be too much for him.

 

10 - The Boys - There were moments when I wanted to walk onto the field an punch Edmunds in the face for running into blocks as if he got a bonus from it.  However, those moments weren't nearly as outstanding as the positive plays.  For a team that doesn't blitz, we sent our guys a few times and Edmunds was able to make some great plays in the backfield, solo even.  The blitzing didn't always hit home, and Lamar had way too much time and escape routes sometimes, but you can't argue with the end result.  Edmunds made some great tackles, covered the middle of the field well, and really is turning in some nice consecutive games.  Milano was just a stud.  I don't think he was fully healthy last year, because he was FAST out there.  Milano was a wrecking ball out there at times and should have had another interception on a really bizarre play.  I can't give enough credit to what this defense did, and the linebackers were a huge part of it.

 

11 - Bonus Random thoughts:

• The Ravens played mainly man cover-2 against us in the first half.  In the second, they adjusted to more of a Cover 1 at times.  While they had more guys in the box, that's when we started moving the ball a lot more.  It shouldn't work that way, but it did.  I love being able to see the whole field when at games, just to watch the coverages.  For the Bills, Lamar has proven he likes to throw deep down the middle, and we didn't give him that chance all game.  It was impressive how much we kept them to short field plays
• Holding aside, Von and Groot were non-stop in this game and I expect more 7 sack games once Ed and Jordan are back.  Watching Lamar get swarmed at times felt great.  On Lamar's last interception, it was like a wall of defenders coming at him that only allowed him to back peddle and make a poor throw.
• I was able to see the replay when I got home, but it didn't do this play justice. The sideline throw to Knox in the 4th was absolutely amazing.  Josh was on his back foot and put that ball on a perfect trajectory to Knox.  Seeing it live, my mouth dropped open.  For those there, please tell me you saw the same thing
• Special teams has to get a game ball for all facets of their play.  In wet conditions, they were perfect and a difference maker
• Before you gang up on me, Josh is Josh.  He doesn't need a thought every single week.  He was a little off again on crossing routes, but really pulled it together on the comeback.  Seeing the Ravens fans get quieted by some of Josh's runs was hysterical.  The Bills fans in my section kept saying "Yeah, we got one of them too."
• The conversation of when it's appropriate to stand really hit in this game.  In the lower section, we were the only area standing almost the entire game.  Why?  Because of 5 Bills fans.  A pair of 2 in one row, and a group of 3 in another refused to sit down, making everyone behind them have to stand to see the field.  I was embarrassed by them, as they didn't seem to care about their surroundings at all.  I get big plays and whatnot, but when you are literally the only people standing around you, read the room.

 

Go Bills!

I was there behind Bills bench @ 50 under the upper deck….

 

That throw was right in front of us… incredible over two defenders and dropped so knox could catch it in bounds. This running touch pass stuff is otherworldly.  Agree with the drops and also Josh seemed off target on a bunch of passed. you could see Davis seemed hobbled. 
 

 

Some were too hot, a couple off target. Seems in particular with crowder he’s never quite at the depth and taking the angle Josh expects… everyone dropped passes in early. 

 

Feels like it was 40-50% bills fans. Seemed pretty full early but then slowly dropped through out the game. 
 

 It was fun when the ravens fans talking smack the whole game realized the momentum had shifted. 
 

officials weren’t wonderful but seemed to spread it around. 
 

id say the one other thing you notice live is just how insanely good at open felid tackling guys like Milano and the safeties are.  Phew… glad they won

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, Virgil said:

I mean, what don’t you understand.  Would RPO out of the shotgun paint a better pic for you?

 

Shotgun, 12 personnel, run handoff up the middle….

 

I think the Bills do a much better job when running to the edges, but I don't know why they don't do it more often.  The inside runs are usually not very good, and there is almost always a defender in the backfield before the handoff

[BillsfaninSB]

2 hours ago, Dukestreetking said:

Not sure where to put this but, seems to me, Elam not getting his props:

 

Kaiir Elam vs Ravens:

 

43 coverage snaps

1 target 0 receptions allowed

 

The Bills rookie CB was LOCKDOWN.

 

(Twitter: NFL rookie watch)

I was lukewarm on him when drafted but felt like the Bills had no choice so okay with it at the end of the day.   So glad he is settling in.  KC game will be really interesting to see on this secondary performs. 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I was there behind Bills bench @ 50 under the upper deck….

 

That throw was right in front of us… incredible over two defenders and dropped so knox could catch it in bounds. This running touch pass stuff is otherworldly.  Agree with the drops and also Josh seemed off target on a bunch of passed. you could see Davis seemed hobbled. 
 

 

Some were too hot, a couple off target. Seems in particular with crowder he’s never quite at the depth and taking the angle Josh expects… everyone dropped passes in early. 

 

Feels like it was 40-50% bills fans. Seemed pretty full early but then slowly dropped through out the game. 
 

 It was fun when the ravens fans talking smack the whole game realized the momentum had shifted. 
 

officials weren’t wonderful but seemed to spread it around. 
 

id say the one other thing you notice live is just how insanely good at open felid tackling guys like Milano and the safeties are.  Phew… glad they won

 

Crowder seems to still be having trouble catching Josh's fastballs...balls hit him in the hands and bounce away, but yesterday was a rough game...at least 6 passes by my count, and maybe more, that went through receivers hands that should have been caught, including Diggs for a TD which almost never happens...then he made up for it with a ridiculous catch on the last drive on 3rd and 2.

2 hours ago, Dukestreetking said:

Not sure where to put this but, seems to me, Elam not getting his props:

 

Kaiir Elam vs Ravens:

 

43 coverage snaps

1 target 0 receptions allowed

 

The Bills rookie CB was LOCKDOWN.

 

(Twitter: NFL rookie watch)

 

Teams seem to be shying away from Elam and not throwing at him...which is probably why I haven't really seen him much or heard his name called.  That's a good thing, BTW

[SectionC3]

36 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

So, being inconsiderate to those around you is a "Bills" thing. Got it.

 

Bills Mafia!!!

It’s passion.  And interest.  It’s what people do at sporting events when tension is high.  I don’t see it as inconsiderate.  

[thewookie1]

I think we see that Davis has serious issues playing through any leg or arm injury. When healthy he’s a dynamic TD scoring machine. When hobbled, he plays scared and loses his sure-handiness for some reason.

 

Knox is also hobbled but in his case I’m guessing he just can’t sprint well enough to to stretch the field like we are used to thus limiting his use. 
 

Crowder can’t seem to handle Josh’s harder throws if anywhere outside his body. Which adds to Allen’s issues with crossers; one of his favorite ways to get them completed is with slightly high or wide bullets that are often difficult to react to for an opposing player. Remember the many times Beasley made those high catches. Allen tries to avoid DL’s tipping the ball by shooting the ball through to a receiver.

 

 

On the Ravens’ INT, Allen’s pass was intended for a stationary Knox. The ball hit Campbell’s arm and ended up fluttering left of its intended destination. Knox was stationary and thus couldn’t move quick enough to get more than fingertips on it and in the end it landed in Humphrey’s arms by near happenstance. 

[LeGOATski]

19 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

It’s passion.  And interest.  It’s what people do at sporting events when tension is high.  I don’t see it as inconsiderate.  

Reread his post and then think about it a little longer, I guess. There's not much else to say. Maybe you're just that person.

[Virgil]

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Except that is not true.  If a lead blocker is coming through a potential hole - it is Edmunds job to go hit that blocker in the hole. 
 

The idea is to fill the hole and ensure the blocker is removed and there should be a free defender to attack the hole and make the tackle. That defender is usually Milano or Taron Johnson.

 

That was what happened at the goal line TFL by Milano.  Edmunds met Ricard in the hole closing the inside lane and forced the outside path.  The DL took out the the pulling Raven - allowing a free Milano to attack the play and make the tackle.

 

To man people think LBs should always avoid the blockers, but in this defense - each player has a role and when done properly - there should be 1 free defender the majority of the time to make a play - the difficulty is against a running QB like Jackson (or Allen) the QB is no longer a non entity and it potentially takes away the free player advantage.

Agreed in a blitzing situation or plays targeted behind the line.  
 

I’m referring to runs where the blocker comes at Edmunds 3-5 yards after the line of scrimmage 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

I mentally had this chalked up as a loss because of how well the Ravens play at home, especially against us.  I was at the Dolphins game there too.  Maybe I'm the Jinx

😝 

Keep it up!!!

 

[Saxum]

Ravens appeared to only fear two receivers - Diggs and Isaiah McKenzie.  When McKenzie went out they went to Cover 1.

Davis seemed to be in there in Jake Kumerow - to block - and it shows why Bills kept Kumerow.

The Bills had a plan for first half, it was not working and they adjiusted it including new personel and executed in 2nd half; this was something they were not able to do previous years.

[BFLO]

5 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

They were at a Bills game. 

It's a tradition from the drought years that I wish we would move on from. There's no reason to stand for an entire game. 

 

 

[SectionC3]

4 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Reread his post and then think about it a little longer, I guess. There's not much else to say. Maybe you're just that person.

I’ve thought about it plenty.  My position remains the same.   I don’t see it as materially different from fans being loud or engaging in another activity of which one might find disruptive to the game day experience.  

[SectionC3]

54 minutes ago, BFLO said:

It's a tradition from the drought years that I wish we would move on from. There's no reason to stand for an entire game. 

 

 

It’s been this way for so long that I know no different.   There’s things that people do at games that I don’t like.  Drinking, chief among them.  It leads to all sorts of boorish behavior.  But that’s what happens at Bills games.  And, part of the experience for Bills fans is to stand to watch their team.  They’re intense and into the game.  So they stand.  It’s how it goes.  

[Einstein]

10 hours ago, Einstein said:

Yes it was tipped. 
 

It was actually the 2nd tip (Knox’s tip) that put the ball right into the defenders hands.

 

 

 

Someone just mentioned to me that McKenzie was wide open on this play - And he does appear to be. Right in the middle of the field.

[Big Blitz]

I can't stop thinking about trading for DJ Moore now...

 

Makes a lot of sense - he himself should demand it.  

 

That is the worst team in the NFL with the worst coach.   

 

[BobbyC81]

12 hours ago, Big Turk said:

On the last INT it was Shaq who ended up forcing it by literally powering through a hold that wasn't called to get in his face and then was joined by the other defender from the right(Groot maybe).  

 

Without Shaq, Jackson has an easy escape to his left and likely walks into the endzone

Honestly, I don't really think a spy works on Jackson...he is simply too fast and can just run away from the player spying on him.

There was a previous game vs the Ravens where Trent Murphy, of all people, was mirroring Jackson and did a good job.

[freddyjj]

12 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

That was what happened at the goal line TFL by Milano.  Edmunds met Ricard in the hole closing the inside lane and forced the outside path.  The DL took out the the pulling Raven - allowing a free Milano to attack the play and make the tackle

It was actually #93 Brandon Bryant who blew that play up by fork lifting their 307 lb fullback a full 3 yards back and pancaking him!  Edmunds plugged his hole by engaging pulling H back.  Here is great video breakdown of play by Geoff Schwartz 

 

 

[Brit]

15 hours ago, Big Turk said:

On the last INT it was Shaq who ended up forcing it by literally powering through a hold that wasn't called to get in his face and then was joined by the other defender from the right(Groot maybe).  

 

 

It was Groot. And the blocker was holding as well (Groot was past him and he had a handful of Groot's jersey, pulling it back). 

[GunnerBill]

12 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Except that is not true.  If a lead blocker is coming through a potential hole - it is Edmunds job to go hit that blocker in the hole. 
 

The idea is to fill the hole and ensure the blocker is removed and there should be a free defender to attack the hole and make the tackle. That defender is usually Milano or Taron Johnson.

 

That was what happened at the goal line TFL by Milano.  Edmunds met Ricard in the hole closing the inside lane and forced the outside path.  The DL took out the the pulling Raven - allowing a free Milano to attack the play and make the tackle.

 

True except it was not Ricard it was rookie tight end Isaiah Likely that Edmunds stoned in the goalline stand.