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NFL WEEK #4 - Bills at Ravens - Post Game Thread


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2 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

@newcam2012 - know you were asking about ref decisions going against us as you felt the final call was soft. I'm watching the game back and, on our second drive back, we could have easily had a roughing the passer and DPI be given in our favour against Queen and Stephens. This was on the second offensive series, just before we kicked the field goal. A small sample, but shows how decisiosn went against us as well as for.

For sure the refs made some poor non calls. I felt there were several holds on the Ravens they missed. However, I'd prefer to move on as I beat a dead horse to a pulp. Not a good look. On to the Steelers who the Bills should smash. Oh how I would love to see a blowout, Cook development, Shakir catches, and several sacks, etc...

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4 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

Disappointing how ill informed GMFB was about the end game situation.  

 

Ravens absolutely did let us score once we got to their 10 yard line.  Singletary had a run where he realized that and went down at the 3 on his own.  Then Allen somehow executed a 2 yard sneak for a first down while making sure he didn't cross the goal line. 


 

Where they needed to let him score was the quick screen to Singletary.  They had already given up nearly 20 yards and another 1st down - once he broke free - the Ravens should of been grabbing him and trying to escort him into the end zone - do not let him go down, but they had multiple players from behind and the side finally come in and make a play to get him down.  That was with 1:50 left and they had to use a timeout.

 

I would like to think Devin knew because I totally agree on his 8 yard run - he was not scoring and Josh was not scoring unless either player was physically grabbed and pulled into the end zone.

 

It worked out in the worst possible way for Baltimore as he went down outside the 10 allowing the Bills to get another 1st down and use the rest of the clock.  

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25 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Not mention Bryant on that play.  Completely leveled the FB and Dobbins didn't have a blocker anymore.

Milano and Edmunds were instrumental in stopping the Ravens. I thought Shaq was an impact player. Von had a sack but he was a little off in his rushing. Saw him very wide a few times. Maybe I'm wrong. Also, on the fourth play I believe it was Shaw and Rosseua pressuring Lamar. My brother said Von wasn't even on the field for that play. Anyone have a guess why not? Maybe because of the run threat? 

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7 hours ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

After the Big Int by Poyer at the 50, I still want to question why a running play to Moss? It seemed to kill the momentum right off the start and eventually put the D right back on the field. 

We should just never run the ball, all it does is waste downs and put Josh in worse down and distance.

 

Just kidding but not really.

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4 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

Did Harbaugh says that this time he used analytics?

 

Anyway, two comments from my side.

 

1. If analytics says go for it, you go for it. Math is always right. The only problem is the data you put into it.

 

2. I really don't get why he is getting so heavily criticized. Even if we don't care what math says (I have no idea in this case), to me it seems like quite an easy decision to go for it. If you get it, you force Allen to march complete field which is twice as hard than to get just a FG. And if you don't, you force Bills to start at their own 2 with no running game.

 

Decision to go for it wasn't a problem. Lamar just needs to do better than throw an INT. That was the real killer.


 

To me it is the major problem with analytics.  
 

The math said go, but the math does not always take every probable scenario into account and make factors - along with things like the weather.

 

I don’t blame him going for it, but the scenario of him throwing a pick there did not really seem to be something that occurred to Harbaugh.  Basically after the game he was like either we score or we give them the ball inside the 2 and I trust my defense in that spot to stop them.  The Int destroyed that possibility.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:


 

Where they needed to let him score was the quick screen to Singletary.  They had already given up nearly 20 yards and another 1st down - once he broke free - the Ravens should of been grabbing him and trying to escort him into the end zone - do not let him go down, but they had multiple players from behind and the side finally come in and make a play to get him down.  That was with 1:50 left and they had to use a timeout.

 

I would like to think Devin knew because I totally agree on his 8 yard run - he was not scoring and Josh was not scoring unless either player was physically grabbed and pulled into the end zone.

 

It worked out in the worst possible way for Baltimore as he went down outside the 10 allowing the Bills to get another 1st down and use the rest of the clock.  

I could clearly see the Ravens letting Singletary score. However, I was upset he went down at the 3 or so because that didn't give the Bills a first down. If they stopped the Bills in the proceeding play(s)they still would have had some time on the clock to get a FG. When Allen got the 1st down then the Bills could and did run out the clock. Am I right in my assessment? 

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14 hours ago, K-9 said:

Per the bold, if Ravens fans are upset about the play Poyer made, they should acquaint themselves with the rule book. Poyer has just as much of a right to make a play on the ball as the receiver does, which is exactly what he did. Unlike Poyer, the Ravens DB who clocked McKenzie did no such thing. As far from a “mirror image” as can be. 

 

I was referring to the third down stop that Poyer defended. He did came through the back of the Raven receiver. Are you referring to the end zone interception? I mean, Poyer did make a lot of plays Sunday!

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5 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:


 

To me it is the major problem with analytics.  
 

The math said go, but the math does not always take every probable scenario into account and make factors - along with things like the weather.

 

I don’t blame him going for it, but the scenario of him throwing a pick there did not really seem to be something that occurred to Harbaugh.  Basically after the game he was like either we score or we give them the ball inside the 2 and I trust my defense in that spot to stop them.  The Int destroyed that possibility.

 

 

I don't think anyone had interception based into the equation. The old rule of math says at home you kick the FG and hope your defense makes a stop. 

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4 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I could clearly see the Ravens letting Singletary score. However, I was upset he went down at the 3 or so because that didn't give the Bills a first down. If they stopped the Bills in the proceeding play(s)they still would have had some time on the clock to get a FG. When Allen got the 1st down then the Bills could and did run out the clock. Am I right in my assessment? 


 

That is correct.

 

I believe Singletary went down because he felt the Raven coming and wanted to protect the ball and ensure he did not get pushed-dragged into the end zone.

 

At that point the Bills still needed a 1st down to ensure they could run the clock out.

 

 

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1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

I could clearly see the Ravens letting Singletary score. However, I was upset he went down at the 3 or so because that didn't give the Bills a first down. If they stopped the Bills in the proceeding play(s)they still would have had some time on the clock to get a FG. When Allen got the 1st down then the Bills could and did run out the clock. Am I right in my assessment? 

I think there was a worry he'd get tossed in, especially with how the Ravens defense reacted.

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1 hour ago, Ralonzo said:

 

I was referring to the third down stop that Poyer defended. He did came through the back of the Raven receiver. Are you referring to the end zone interception? I mean, Poyer did make a lot of plays Sunday!

Yes, I was indeed referring to the int in the endzone. Apologies if I missed any context. 

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