Two Head Injuries Within 4 Days For Tua - Does He Turn Out Like Trent Edwards?

[machine gun kelly]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agree. There is like a 1% chance that what happened here is the doc screwed up. Either something went awry in the process and the independent examination did not take place or the Dolphins ignored it or, despite what it looked like to all of us watching on TV, Tua was not in fact concussed. 

Yeah bud.  These independent neuros report to the nfl, not the team or it’s both simultaneously.  I’ve known the team docs for Tampa, and they in no short measure are screwing with their license fudging an evaluation.

 

they do a neurological exam and benchmark to prior to te season to see if their are abnormalities and they stay in concussion protocol whether you’re NFL or a kid in HS.

 

they screw their career worth a ton.  The owners are not going to be able to influence their evaluation even if they tried.  That would be a non recoverable nightmare.

 

30 years ago, I’ll agree, but not now.  It’s why so many specialists are approached and they decline these contracts.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

 

Literally got benched for Fitzpatrick

 

And on top of that they literally tried to replace him for a serial sexual assaulter and a 45 year old QB this offseason. 

 

 

[Jerome007]

I know it's fun to blame the Dolphins for last week's "false concussion", as it sure looked very suspect, but it's an independent neurologist doing the tests, not the team itself.

 

While I personally  think he had a concussion against the Bills and thus was more vulnerable, that hit yesterday could cause damage all on its own, even to a man who never had one. It was nasty!

[PS 56]

9 hours ago, Azucho98 said:

He shouldn't have played the second half of the Bills game, plus the Dolphins didn't disclose his head injury and didn't list him on the injury report for it (had him listed for back/ankle).  He most likely had lingering effects of a concussion at the start of last nights game, and that hit finished him off.  

 

Obviously they couldn't have listed him for a head injury after hiding it the second half against the Bills Sunday.

 

 

Tua had no business finishing the Bills game.  He will be out for a while now if he comes back at all.  Dolphins staff should be under the microscope for letting him play.  

[Billz4ever]

How the whole thing went down from last week to this week's game seems real shady to me.  Miami has some explaining to do as this week simply looks like an extension of last week and what happens to a guy already concussed and gets a head snap back hit again.

[Chandler#81]

I think he’s already worse than Trent ever was. It’s to the punt now where just blowing on him gives him a concussion. He gets hurt frequently and with less impact. He’s washed up. How long it takes him and the Dolphins to realize it is his how we dominate the Division. jmo

[Marv's Neighbor]

Would those unusual helmets, used in camp, have prevented this?  If so, when will they be introduced?

[First Round Bust]

WGR radio had a physican assistant with neuro experience call-in today..says you dont have to hit your head on the ground as the whiplash effect would cause Tua brain to move and make contact with a solid...entirely possible a minor concussion was masked in and of itself with the back injury being the focus, if so two concussions...

[Nuncha]

19 minutes ago, PS 56 said:

Tua had no business finishing the Bills game.  He will be out for a while now if he comes back at all.  Dolphins staff should be under the microscope for letting him play.  

absolutely

[Dan Darragh]

9 hours ago, eball said:

Oh, and eff the stinking Fish. 

THIS

[IronyAbounds]

9 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

It's this type of thing that will bring down the league for good and they only bring it upon themselves.

It's probably an unpopular opinion, but I honestly wonder how any parent in good conscience can allow their kid to play football. Even guys who don't play past high school seem to end up with bad knees, hips and shoulders at a relatively early age, and the possible brain damage is frightening. Adults can make their own decisions, but you don't allow kids to do dangerous stuff and football seems to be close to if not in that category.

[boater]

...blah blah blah... Independent Doctor ...blah blah blah.

 

That's weak sauce as rationale to find Miami guilt free. Independent Docs make mistakes, or worse, they might be stealth-homers flown in with the team.

[BarleyNY]

3 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

Lol are you that naive? Sorry I don't mean that personally

 

The NFL is run by owners. One of them is the Mami dolphins owner. They are a profit driven enterprise.

 

They have a history of brushing head injuries under the rug.

 

So you do not think that maybe they have enough influence to make the outcome what they want?

Lol. Speaking of being naive, how many doctors are going to put their career on the line for that? And why would an owner even want a concussed player on the field? Not to mention exerting that influence on a doctor during the 15 minutes he had to get cleared. Do you seriously think that Ross carried a bag of money down and handed it to a doc so he’d clear a concussed Tua to play QB? And we’re not even considering the fact that Bridgewater is probably a better quarterback than Tua.

 

The NFL did bury the long term effects of head trauma on players for a lot of years. But that’s far different than an owner putting a concussed QB back on the field because, you know, QBs need to be able to think clearly and quickly to do their jobs. That’s the dumbest part of this whole conspiracy. That an owner or HC would even want a mentally impaired QB on the field. 

[Rat-boy]

8 hours ago, What a Tuel said:

Wait. We didn't play the dolphins this week and lose to them and there is still a thread about Tua and concussions.

 

I was under the impression such threads were only the result of us being sore losers and just wanted him to be benched so we could win.

Well, it seems now to have been hijacked by yet another Trent Edwards conversation and responses to a Dolphin troll if that is any consolidation Tuel. 😀

[sonyab1974]

12 hours ago, Azucho98 said:

He shouldn't have played the second half of the Bills game,

 

 

 

Nope he really shouldn't!!! That poor guy is worse now! How awful!!!

[Ralonzo]

6 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

Go visit PFF, Football outsiders ,etc if you want to see the metrics on Tua.

 

Or check out his stats yourself on NFL.com, ESPN, etc.

 

I really don't care how effective he is at screen passes or how he can throw to the first read 20 times in a row accurately. Crown him if you want, but he is who we thought he was.

[uticaclub]

Trent Edwards played for years after he left Buffalo. Trent was never the QB Tua is or was. He played 4 or 5 good games in beginning for 2008, he never even passed for over 300 yards in a game

[What a Tuel]

8 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Couldn't you say the same thing about Mahomes/Allen/etc?

 

Rarely do elite QB's play a great 4 quarters, week after week.

 

I get that I'm not going to convince some folks that Tua/Miami are a great team even though the evidence is right in front of the homers if they paid attention last week.

 

Either way I still see Miami as the division favorite right now until proven otherwise. If Tua is out for an extended period of time that obviously changes though.

 

Miami isn't a division favorite. By what metric are they a division favorite? Miami fans? Or because they have a 1 game lead 3 games into a 17 game season? 

 

Sheesh, you are the one showing homerism. 

[Nextmanup]

7 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Come on man this is silly.

 

The overall body of work is all that matters and again we can nitpick every HC, QB, skill position player, etc in the same way around the league and find less than desirable numbers to fit an agenda.

 

All I'm saying is the evidence is there that Tua has emerged as one of the leagues elite players at the QB position. And quite frankly this isn't a surprise considering his numbers in his first 2 NFL seasons were better than JA17 and many other of the top QB's in the league if you go back far enough.

I agree with you that Tua is a lot better than most of this board thinks he is, and the Dolphins are a lot better as a team this year than this board thinks as well.

 

But you mentioned that Miami has to be the favorite to win the AFC East this year.

 

That I can't agree with.  We massively outplayed them despite losing on the scoreboard in kind of a crazy game weather-wise and with our lineup completely decimated by injury.

 

I genuinely believe we will beat them by 2 or 3 TDs when we play them again in Buffalo, assuming our injuries are cleaned up by then.

 

Miami is a good team this year, but we still have to be the division favorite, and by a solid margin.

 

Also, some people are now saying Tua should not return this season.

 

If Tua misses 3 or 4 weeks, forget it.  Miami will lose all those games and fall behind.

 

If he is gone the whole season, Miami might have a shot at picking first in the draft next year.

 

 

 

[Sharky7337]

5 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Lol. Speaking of being naive, how many doctors are going to put their career on the line for that? And why would an owner even want a concussed player on the field? Not to mention exerting that influence on a doctor during the 15 minutes he had to get cleared. Do you seriously think that Ross carried a bag of money down and handed it to a doc so he’d clear a concussed Tua to play QB? And we’re not even considering the fact that Bridgewater is probably a better quarterback than Tua.

 

The NFL did bury the long term effects of head trauma on players for a lot of years. But that’s far different than an owner putting a concussed QB back on the field because, you know, QBs need to be able to think clearly and quickly to do their jobs. That’s the dumbest part of this whole conspiracy. That an owner or HC would even want a mentally impaired QB on the field. 

Doctors get things wrong all the time friend. If they lost their jobs for it, there would be no doctors.

 

If someone pays a person big bucks to be an independent consultant, no one is coming after them for malpractice for consulting work or taking their certification.

 

It's too difficult to prove and questionable whether they could even find anything criminal with it.

 

And in this case the patient was probably the number one person who wanted to go back in.

 

So who is gonna get in trouble?

Edited October 1, 2022 by Sharky7337