Two Head Injuries Within 4 Days For Tua - Does He Turn Out Like Trent Edwards?

[Manther]

33 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

What is going on in Miami?   
 

Tua “cleared concussion protocol “ and played the second half.  Lots of us are leary of back injury story.  Then we hear reports of the nflpa investigating the doctors.   He plays again four days later and Bamm.  
 

What is going on with that team?   This is terrible.  I wish him well.  

Crazy and so wrong.  The Dolphins should go to the box and feel shame.  For real, disgusting how these last days transpired.  Not fair to Tua and the impact this will have on his life.

[Big Turk]

27 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

It's this type of thing that will bring down the league for good and they only bring it upon themselves.

 

I doubt it...just may cost them a lot of money which they have plenty of.

[Best Williams Available]

The way the announcers were towing the company line with their “back” problem explanation made me physically yell at the tv like a lunatic. We know what we saw and they’re trying to tell us we didn’t see it. Sickening.

[Freddie's Dead]

19 minutes ago, Manther said:

Crazy and so wrong.  The Dolphins should go to the box and feel shame.  For real, disgusting how these last days transpired.  Not fair to Tua and the impact this will have on his life.

 

[GolfandBills]

Someone in the that organization had to face the consequences for this series of events.  Everyone with a brain in their heads knew last week he was concussed.  Back injury my ass lol

[Ralonzo]

4 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

 

you stupid when you do dat, just some English pig with no brain.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 minute ago, Ralonzo said:

 

you stupid when you do dat, just some English pig with no brain.

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[Lost]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

We all know last Sunday was not a back injury. He CLEARLY had a concussion, mild or whatever. Slammed his head on the ground, got up to walk, shook his head real quick trying to clear the cobwebs, then began to wobble when he walked, and teammates had to help him. Last night he has a head injury of a more gruesome variety. That one was scary. Laying there with his fingers all twisted up after being slammed to the ground by a 300+ lb man. It made me think of Trent Edwards and the Adrian Wilson hit. Trent was looking like the QB we had been waiting for until that day. That one hit changed everything. After that he was scared to death in the pocket. His career continued as a backup for a few years, but he was never the same. Tua was just starting his ascension after a couple of mediocre seasons and now this happens. He was definitely playing better. But now one has to wonder if this will change that trajectory. Will he be scared in the pocket? Will he see "ghosts" and be rattled at the first sense of pressure? Mentally, and physically, will he be able to overcome this? Sidney Crosby, different sport I know, has missed a ton of time due to head injuries and I don't believe he's been the same since that terrible concussion he had. I hope Tua returns to full health and doesn't have life altering effects from this. It still makes you wonder with how bad it looked last night on the field. 

 

Trent Edwards was never the QB we were waiting for..

 

[North Buffalo]

43 minutes ago, wjag said:

I have a hard time believing and independent neurologist cleared him to play if he was concussed.  I know what it looked like, but I just can't get there to be concussed and allowed to play.  There are too many checks and balances that would need to be betrayed for that to happen.  And it was so overt.  It's not like it happened and he was hidden away.  Coming back on the field when everyone was watching and asking and questioning..  Something ELSE is going on with him.  

If he did not have a CT scan... no way to tell... would love to see that CT

[ArdmoreRyno]

All that said... prayers for Tua. Dude seems like a class act and hate to see anything bad happen to the kid. 

 

I personally struggle to blame the coaches, it's on the doctors and medical professionals. As a former football coach, you listen to those who hold degrees to make those decisions. If a doctor/medical staff says "He's clear" and the kid is wanting to go back in, he 99/100 he goes back in. 

[Nuncha]

53 minutes ago, bmur66 said:

We don't know for sure that he suffered a concussion during the Bills game. Yes it appeared that way but I would be shocked if he was allowed to play if he was concussed. He didn't show any affects later in the game.

He W A S concussed Sunday.  There is no doubt.

[benderbender]

The worst part of watching the replay is how many times he could have hit the eject button on the play but didn't. He could have thrown a lower percentage ball, then he could have thrown it away. He scrambled for a way out, by that time he did the math and I think he didn't feel he had the arm strength to get it past the LOS where it wouldn't get intercepted. At that point he could have done the Brady signature curl up in a ball and surrender.  

 

I'm surprised that the Bengal wasn't fined or flagged for the extra effort but that's probably because we've seen the slo mo replay too many times. It would be a way the NFL could try to shift blame from the Dolphins "independent" neurologist/back injury specialist to the defender. 

 

Did anyone else notice how they tried to keep a somber tone at the half, but by the end of the game they could sense the outrage and allowed the commentators to speculate? I was hoping Sherman at the least would have had the grapes to say what he felt at halftime.

[Bruffalo]

1 hour ago, bmur66 said:

We don't know for sure that he suffered a concussion during the Bills game. Yes it appeared that way but I would be shocked if he was allowed to play if he was concussed. He didn't show any affects later in the game.

He had a brain trauma response from what looked like a fairly routine sack 4 days later.  He was more likely than not concussed on Sunday. 

 

It's nice to give professionals the benefit of the doubt, but the Dolphins are one of the last orgs that I'd extend that to. 

Edited September 30, 2022 by Bruffalo
Double post.

[May Day 10]

Things like that seem to have an effect on players/humans after the fact.   

 

Tua as an NFL QB has a lot of durability questions though.  

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 hour ago, wjag said:

3 weeks in to the AFC East race: Tua knocked out, Mac the Knife knocked out, Wilson knocked out before it started.  Crazy..

 

Don't forget that the best team in the NFL has lost no less than 2 guys to game lost injuries each game of the season so far. 

 

My goodness you just pray that we get out of Baltimore without anything notable for the first time this season.

 

[strive_for_five_guy]

7 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

All that said... prayers for Tua. Dude seems like a class act and hate to see anything bad happen to the kid. 

 

I personally struggle to blame the coaches, it's on the doctors and medical professionals. As a former football coach, you listen to those who hold degrees to make those decisions. If a doctor/medical staff says "He's clear" and the kid is wanting to go back in, he 99/100 he goes back in. 

I agree.  In addition, it’s just a violent sport.  Career and life threatening injuries can happen to any player, on any given play.  Tua’s situation is just all the more shocking because of what happened last Sunday and the controversy already in place, coupled with the visually gruesome injury last night.  And with his size, he essentially was a rag doll for the guy bringing him down.  Assuming Tua recovers to play again, that might not be the last time he has a moment like that on the field.

[Ralonzo]

5 minutes ago, benderbender said:

I'm surprised that the Bengal wasn't fined or flagged for the extra effort but that's probably because we've seen the slo mo replay too many times. It would be a way the NFL could try to shift blame from the Dolphins "independent" neurologist/back injury specialist to the defender. 

 

 

Ian Rapaport on NFLN just alluded to Sunday saying Tua didn't go through concussion protocol because it was determined to be a neck injury and not a head injury. Now, that makes more sense than clearing it at halftime.

 

As for the Bengal, what do you want him to do? Can't hit em high, can't hit em low, can't drive em down, can't land on em. That was basically a perfect rugby form tackle, hands around the waist and take to the ground. A severe injury on something like that means NFL QB might be beyond your physical capability.

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, wjag said:

3 weeks in to the AFC East race: Tua knocked out, Mac the Knife knocked out, Wilson knocked out before it started.  Crazy..

May want to get a Josh a new uniform to be safe 

[GunnerBill]

I am sorry but we don't know that it was two head injuries. As far as we know the concussion protocol was followed to the letter which means an independent neurologist at the game cleared Tua to go back into the game on Sunday. Unless some evidence comes to light to say that is not what happened I'm not going to second guess an independent neurologist who had carried out a proper examination based on me as a layman looking at tv footage. 

 

If the protocol was NOT followed to the letter then people need to be held to account and the penalties should be severe. 

Edited September 30, 2022 by GunnerBill

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

It's this type of thing that will bring down the league for good and they only bring it upon themselves.

 

Can we add this to the list of things that "will bring down the league for good"?