jkeerie Posted September 30, 2022 Posted September 30, 2022 30 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: Re: Al Michael's comment, he said Tua asked coach (as he was being taken off on stretcher), what happened on the play, eg: complete or incomplete pass. The comment was made in regard that Tua was not only conscious, but also had his barrings to engage in conversation with his coach. Thank you. I missed the entire context which makes a huge difference. Quote
RocCityRoller Posted September 30, 2022 Posted September 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Breakout Squad said: Waiting to hear Tua is cleared for the 2nd half 😔 depends on who the Dr. apparently is. Disgrceful, Jet level bad Quote
Big Blitz Posted September 30, 2022 Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Again Buffaloes at Allen for five years… And we instantly got spoiled tua Would have been the best or second best quarterback here since Jim Kelly 100% unequivocally His durability is the only issue…. The guy plays perfectly within a system which is all you can ask for Bills fans get delusional with rivals I’ve seen Hoa and Joe Burrow close that 10 times live in college and the pros… Joe Burrow’s arm is not that much stronger than Tuas… if any His arm strength isnt the problem Tua is a meh QB that was handed the most lethal weapon in the NFL - and its made him decent. And Waddle might be a top 15 WR. Teddy looked almost just like him outside the last play. I admire Tua the competitor. 100%. He's just a decent QB. Tyreek Hill's impact on games - there is a reason the Dolphins gave all that draft capital and money. Edited September 30, 2022 by Big Blitz 1 Quote
RocCityRoller Posted September 30, 2022 Posted September 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: The Singer of Joywave looking rough after a loss..... Quote
Franco_92 Posted September 30, 2022 Posted September 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Again Buffalo has had Allen for five years… And we instantly got spoiled tua Would have been the best or second best quarterback here since Jim Kelly 100% unequivocally His durability is the only issue…. The guy plays perfectly within a system which is all you can ask for Bills fans get delusional with rivals I’ve seen Tua and Joe Burrow close to 10 times live in college and the pros… Joe Burrow’s arm is not that much stronger than Tuas… if any… They have the same level arm Strength .. Tua has a MUCH better arm than Matt Barkley… MUCH BETTER His arm strength isnt the problem It’s the ability to survive 17 games The video of him in the Ravens game where it was flipped so he looked right handed was pretty telling. His passes instantly looked way smoother and quicker. I think you're right, mostly because I think Burrow's arm isn't great either. But Tua's left-handedness makes an already soft pass look much worse than it is. I'd say both are slightly below league average in arm strength Quote
DrPJax Posted September 30, 2022 Posted September 30, 2022 24 minutes ago, Warcodered said: It's not about being malicious it's about being reckless. Neither of us really know the guy personally, so I guess it’s hard to really judge. It is Jmo , he seems like the type that would not disregard a neurologist etc telling him it was not safe to play Tua. He obviously has little medical knowledge , so I think he has to rely on what he is told. Fins are a shady org with a shady owner , so I guess it’s possible if he felt his job was at risk if the owner sent some message down, anything is possible. One thing is for sure , people can never be completely trusted if money or their livelihood is controlled by someone else. In this case reckless is really no different than acting maliciously. Seriously , if it was Belicheck, I would believe anything, this guy I would believe until something is conclusively proven otherwise. Time will tell I guess. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted September 30, 2022 Posted September 30, 2022 Just now, Big Blitz said: Tua is a meh QB that was handed the most lethal weapon in the NFL - and its made him decent. Teddy looked almost just like him outside the last play. I admire Tua the competitor. 100%. He's just a decent QB. Tyreek Hill's impact on games - there is a reason the Dolphins gave all that draft capital and money. Teddy looked dead for a drive last week I think Matt Barkley is one of the worst back up quarterbacks you could have… Teddies not that much better There’s 32 starters… Tua is not in the bottom 10 And he should be improving Maybe not after getting two brain injuries in 10 days Quote
Nelius Posted September 30, 2022 Posted September 30, 2022 42 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Tony Gonzalez brings this post game show down Got a good group otherwise Watching the Burrow post game interview and poor Joe could barely hide his cringe when Tony went into that Lamar Jackson "kung fu jiu jitsu" stuff. Everybody has a look on their face like c'mon Tony. Agreed, he's not as crisp as the rest. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted September 30, 2022 Posted September 30, 2022 1 minute ago, arcane said: The video of him in the Ravens game where it was flipped so he looked right handed was pretty telling. His passes instantly looked way smoother and quicker. I think you're right, mostly because I think Burrow's arm isn't great either. But Tua's left-handedness makes an already soft pass look much worse than it is. I'd say both are slightly below league average in arm strength 2 minutes ago, arcane said: The video of him in the Ravens game where it was flipped so he looked right handed was pretty telling. His passes instantly looked way smoother and quicker. I think you're right, mostly because I think Burrow's arm isn't great either. But Tua's left-handedness makes an already soft pass look much worse than it is. I'd say both are slightly below league average in arm strength In terms of franchise QBs arm strength ? Yea slightly below average In terms of 110 quarterbacks in the NFL? Still above average 1 Quote
newcam2012 Posted September 30, 2022 Posted September 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Again Buffalo has had Allen for five years… And we instantly got spoiled tua Would have been the best or second best quarterback here since Jim Kelly 100% unequivocally His durability is the only issue…. The guy plays perfectly within a system which is all you can ask for Bills fans get delusional with rivals I’ve seen Tua and Joe Burrow close to 10 times live in college and the pros… Joe Burrow’s arm is not that much stronger than Tuas… if any… They have the same level arm Strength .. Tua has a MUCH better arm than Matt Barkley… MUCH BETTER His arm strength isnt the problem It’s the ability to survive 17 games Quick recap of Pre Draft Tua Weaknesses: Serious hip injury could limit his career Ability to play in his rookie season is in question Durability Numerous lower leg injuries Lack of elite arm strength Less than ideal height Could improve anticipation Could improve footwork Could improve mechanics Left-handed will cause acclimation time for receivers Will need to improve his preparation habits Quote
Buffalo716 Posted September 30, 2022 Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: Quick recap of Pre Draft Tua Weaknesses: Serious hip injury could limit his career Ability to play in his rookie season is in question Durability Numerous lower leg injuries Lack of elite arm strength Less than ideal height Could improve anticipation Could improve footwork Could improve mechanics Left-handed will cause acclimation time for receivers Will need to improve his preparation habits Lack of Elite arm strength? Yeah I don’t think anybody ever said he had elite arm strength Having a noodle arm and elite arm strength are completely different… He has a good arm just not elite arm strength I never said he had elite arm strength … There’s 110 quarterbacks in the NFL and only five or 10 have elite arm strength There’s a massive difference between elite arm strength and a noodle arm … Barkley has a noodle arm… Tua Doesnt have elite arm strength… Like most NFL quarterbacks And I’ve been scouting football players for 30 years making those scouting reports … I don’t see him Saying he has an under average arm … Just that he’s under sized and not a elite arm strength Edited September 30, 2022 by Buffalo716 1 1 Quote
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 30, 2022 Posted September 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Lack of Elite arm strength? Yeah I don’t think anybody ever said he had elite arm strength Having a noodle arm and elite arm strength are completely different… He has a good arm just not elite arm strength I never said he had elite arm strength … There’s 110 quarterbacks in the NFL and only five or 10 have elite arm strength There’s a massive difference between elite arm strength and a noodle arm … Barkley has a noodle arm… Tua Doesnt have elite arm strength… Like most NFL quarterbacks His throws always seem to have a lot of air under them…especially the outs. Idk if that’s covered by the definition of ‘arm strength’ though Quote
Ralonzo Posted September 30, 2022 Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) Flutie's arm, I realized in the season opener against the Colts, wasn't going to be good enough to win with. It was a harsh realization; I had so much hope. Tua is that but more pronounced. And without the scrambling. And made of tissue. Edited September 30, 2022 by Ralonzo Quote
newcam2012 Posted September 30, 2022 Posted September 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Again Buffalo has had Allen for five years… And we instantly got spoiled tua Would have been the best or second best quarterback here since Jim Kelly 100% unequivocally His durability is the only issue…. The guy plays perfectly within a system which is all you can ask for Bills fans get delusional with rivals I’ve seen Tua and Joe Burrow close to 10 times live in college and the pros… Joe Burrow’s arm is not that much stronger than Tuas… if any… They have the same level arm Strength .. Tua has a MUCH better arm than Matt Barkley… MUCH BETTER His arm strength isnt the problem It’s the ability to survive 17 games No one is talking about Allen here. So stop with that non sense excuse. Tua's strengths don't outweigh his weaknesses. The guy is too small, too fragile, poses no running threat to defenses, slow to go through his progressions, throws a mediocre at best long ball, lacks elite arm strength, and often has bad mechanics like throwing off his back foot. Strengths a quick accurate system QB. Shows good leadership. I mean look who he was throwing to. Ruggs, Juedy, and Waddle. Handing the ball off the Harris and offensive lineman who are now playing in the NFL. Tua was a product of a great Alabama team with elite Wrs, Rbs, and Offensive lineman. His supporting role was unbelievable. 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted September 30, 2022 Posted September 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: His throws always seem to have a lot of air under them…especially the outs. Idk if that’s covered by the definition of ‘arm strength’ though Compared to Allen or Stafford ? Yea Is his arm weak compared to Joe Burrow or Andy Dalton ? No 1 1 Quote
newcam2012 Posted September 30, 2022 Posted September 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Lack of Elite arm strength? Yeah I don’t think anybody ever said he had elite arm strength Having a noodle arm and elite arm strength are completely different… He has a good arm just not elite arm strength I never said he had elite arm strength … There’s 110 quarterbacks in the NFL and only five or 10 have elite arm strength There’s a massive difference between elite arm strength and a noodle arm … Barkley has a noodle arm… Tua Doesnt have elite arm strength… Like most NFL quarterbacks And I’ve been scouting football players for 30 years making those scouting reports … I don’t see him Saying he has an under average arm … Just that he’s under sized and not a elite arm strength Well I would think when you draft a QB 5th overall in an NFL draft you would want someone who has above average arm, can throw the long ball, and isn't a system QB. Kind of like Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, etc.. Tua looks to be a colossal mistake by the Dolphins. I'm not mad about that. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted September 30, 2022 Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: No one is talking about Allen here. So stop with that non sense excuse. Tua's strengths don't outweigh his weaknesses. The guy is too small, too fragile, poses no running threat to defenses, slow to go through his progressions, throws a mediocre at best long ball, lacks elite arm strength, and often has bad mechanics like throwing off his back foot. Strengths a quick accurate system QB. Shows good leadership. I mean look who he was throwing to. Ruggs, Juedy, and Waddle. Handing the ball off the Harris and offensive lineman who are now playing in the NFL. Tua was a product of a great Alabama team with elite Wrs, Rbs, and Offensive lineman. His supporting role was unbelievable. He has more strength than the two you listed And as Someone who has been coaching and scouting for 30 years I always have players backs Especially one who’s been nothing but class 1 minute ago, newcam2012 said: Well I would think when you draft a QB 5th overall in an NFL draft you would want someone who has above average arm, can throw the long ball, and isn't a system QB. Kind of like Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, etc.. Tua looks to be a colossal mistake by the Dolphins. I'm not mad about that. Most quarterbacks don’t pan out… Not for lack of trying Who knew Drew Brees would be Drew Brees? This tiny quarterback from Purdue except Drew and the people that believed in him Edited September 30, 2022 by Buffalo716 2 Quote
newcam2012 Posted September 30, 2022 Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Compared to Allen or Stafford ? Yea Is his arm weak compared to Joe Burrow or Andy Dalton ? No Burrows is superior to Tua in every category. Stop with your foolish comparasions. The guy led his team to the Super Bowl despite a porous Oline. Tua has done nothing. Stop while you are ahead. Edited September 30, 2022 by newcam2012 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted September 30, 2022 Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: Burrows is superior to Tua in every category. Stop with your foolish comparasions. The guy led his team to the Super Bowl despite a porous Oline. The has done nothing. Stop while you are ahead. That has nothing to do with arm strength… Which is what I’m arguing I saw tua in high school ,college and the pros close to 10 times… I’ve seen burrow in college and the pros close to 10 times Their arm strength are almost identical I’m comparing nothing else but the people saying he has a noodle arm… He does not have a noodle arm Edited September 30, 2022 by Buffalo716 1 Quote
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