Boomer Esiason suggests the Bills should trade for Barkley

[Buffalo03]

16 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Because you don't know.  Yet here you are claiming they can without having the slightest clue whose possibly can and whose already was.  This is called BSing.

 

I'm not a GM and neither are you. That's Beane's job. You're under the assumption that it "can't be done" and it's "impossible". But you know nothing either which is what you call bsing. I'm telling you if Beane has plans for it, he will find a way. It can be done. We all know it

[Billz4ever]

43 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I'm not a GM and neither are you. That's Beane's job. You're under the assumption that it "can't be done" and it's "impossible". But you know nothing either which is what you call bsing. I'm telling you if Beane has plans for it, he will find a way. It can be done. We all know it

But you're the one claiming it can be done without knowing.  Unless Beane has personally told you that it can, you're BSing.  You don't know.

 

And FYI, it's not on me to prove a negative.  You are the one claiming something can be done, it's on you to prove it can be.  That's how logic works.

54 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

You should go re-watch the Titans game. 

Bills RBs had 20 carries for 89 yards in that game.

 

The passing game won us that game and it was the passing game that opened up the running game after the game was out of control.  We did not run particularly well in that game and certainly didn't in the Miami game.

Edited September 29, 2022 by Billz4ever

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

But you're the one claiming it can be done without knowing.  Unless Beane has personally told you that it can, you're BSing.  You don't know.

 

And FYI, it's not on me to prove a negative.  You are the one claiming something can be done, it's on you to prove it can be.  That's how logic works.

Bills RBs had 20 carries for 89 yards in that game.

 

Sorry I left you with this conversation.  I was talking to my brother in Buffalo.

Yes, I wanted him to say who to restructure (I did it because there really isn't much money left to do that).

 

Beane will need to do some moves just to get enough cash to get through the season, especially if these injuries don't stop.

I'm getting to be an old man, when it comes to finances the people who say "all you got to do" I have found are generally the

one's that end up at payday loans.  Generally.

[Billz4ever]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

Sorry I left you with this conversation.  I was talking to my brother in Buffalo.

Yes, I wanted him to say who to restructure (I did it because there really isn't much money left to do that).

 

Beane will need to do some moves just to get enough cash to get through the season, especially if these injuries don't stop.

I'm getting to be an old man, when it comes to finances the people who say "all you got to do" I have found are generally the

one's that end up at payday loans.  Generally.

These are the type of people who also think as long as they have checks in their checkbook, they have money.

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

These are the type of people who also think as long as they have checks in their checkbook, they have money.

 

Classic.

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Classic.

That's not an exaggeration either.  I've meet people that think that.

[purple haze]

On 9/28/2022 at 12:31 PM, uninja said:

I don’t like it. Injury prone RB in a contract year playing with a limited sample size. 
 

We’d be mortgaging future draft picks for a 1 season rental and then surely letting him walk in FA because we don’t have the cap space to pay him the kind of money he could fetch in the open market. 
 

It reeks of desperation and of making a move for the sake of making a move. 

If he’s injury prone, with a limited sample size, why do you think he could fetch a lot of money on the open market?  

Bills are in win now mode.  See Von Miller.  It’s not desperate, it’s putting all chips in.  Beane won’t do it just to do it.  If he could get Barkley at the right price he would consider it if there’s an injury necessity.

 

As it stands,  the running game issues are offensive line related, not RB related (at least this past Sunday).  So I doubt we see Beane trade for Barkley.

Edited September 29, 2022 by purple haze

[Billz4ever]

Just now, purple haze said:

As it stands,  the running game issues are offensive line related, not RB related.  So I doubt we see Beane trade for Barkley.

Exactly.  I don't know why so many people think if we just get Barkley, all our running game problems are solved.  

[Billz4ever]

28 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Sorry I left you with this conversation.  I was talking to my brother in Buffalo.

Yes, I wanted him to say who to restructure (I did it because there really isn't much money left to do that).

 

Beane will need to do some moves just to get enough cash to get through the season, especially if these injuries don't stop.

I'm getting to be an old man, when it comes to finances the people who say "all you got to do" I have found are generally the

one's that end up at payday loans.  Generally.

The Bills are $7.6M over the cap next season and this is the list of all our free agents.  People can't even explain how we hold on to all the good ones on this list, nevermind how we're going to be able to sign big name new ones.

Edited September 29, 2022 by Billz4ever

[Buffalo Super Fan]

No as a Buffalo Bills fan no we already embarrassed ourselves years ago choosing CJ Spiller with a number one pick same deal here. Except Saquon Barkley has more miles on his legs no thank you no draft picks. It isn’t even good for the New York Giants because nothing is reversing taking Saquon Barkley over Josh Allen the New York Giants embarrassed themselves like the Buffalo Bills management during the Bills draught years of bad drafting in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Edited September 29, 2022 by Buffalo Super Fan

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

The Bills are $7.6M over the cap next season and this is the list of all our free agents.  People can't even explain how we hold on to all these, nevermind how we're going to be able to sign big name new ones.

 

Beane is not going to do anything crazy until he sees what the new TV contracts bring to the Cap Space.

Spotrac already did its "add $10M" to its 2023 figures.  No one knows yet what it will end up being.

 

If I was to describe Brandon Beane when it comes to the cap it's this.

He pushes the money as far it can go BUT he isn't reckless about it.  I totally like how he handles the money in general.

 

[LABILLBACKER]

After the first 3 games, our RB1 has a total of 80 yards rushing. A 3.5 average. If we’re dropping back to pass on 90% of the plays Josh will eventually get hurt. It's just a matter of time. Daboll and now Dorsey are just set in their ways on ignoring a run attack. Play action is rendered worthless if the opposing team doesn't even fear your runs.

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, Billz4ever said:

But you're the one claiming it can be done without knowing.  Unless Beane has personally told you that it can, you're BSing.  You don't know.

 

And FYI, it's not on me to prove a negative.  You are the one claiming something can be done, it's on you to prove it can be.  That's how logic works.

Bills RBs had 20 carries for 89 yards in that game.

 

The passing game won us that game and it was the passing game that opened up the running game after the game was out of control.  We did not run particularly well in that game and certainly didn't in the Miami game.

It can be done. There are 53 players on this roster. Any one of them can have a contract restructure or conversion of money to a bonus at any time. You seem to think that because we have restructured a couple contracts that those are the only ones we can do. We have more than 4 players on our team

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

It can be done. There are 53 players on this roster. Any one of them can have a contract restructure or conversion of money to a bonus at any time. You seem to think that because we have restructured a couple contracts that those are the only ones we can do. We have more than 4 players on our team

 

That statement alone proves you know nothing about NFL contacts.

You are so wrong, and evidently don't want to learn why, that it's not worth conversing with you about it.

[BigDingus]

Would Barkley be a clear upgrade for us? Obviously.

 

Would it cost the Bills way too much in the process? Absolutely.

 

Every trade is a risk, but considering the injury history & what the Giants would want in return, hellllllllll no

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

That statement alone proves you know nothing about NFL contacts.

You are so wrong, and evidently don't want to learn why, that it's not worth conversing with you about it.

 

Can you explain for those of us who are curious but also don't understand NFL contracts well? I'll say "please!"

 

PLEEEEAAAASEEE 😘

[Buffalo03]

6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

That statement alone proves you know nothing about NFL contacts.

You are so wrong, and evidently don't want to learn why, that it's not worth conversing with you about it.

And you know about NFL contracts? All the ins and outs?

[ColoradoBills]

32 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

Can you explain for those of us who are curious but also don't understand NFL contracts well? I'll say "please!"

 

PLEEEEAAAASEEE 😘

 

LOL.  I shouldn't have let the conversation get to where it's at.  If you're giving me some sarcasm, I probably deserve it.

If it's not it should have its own thread.  I'm not the only one who enjoys that kind of stuff.

 

Just in case, I will say, there are only 6 players (not 53) with salaries above $2M who could MAYBE be restructured right now.

I use $2M because you can't restructure Base Salary to zero.  It has to be at least player minimum.

 

4 of them are on the last year of their contracts so any restructure goes to dead cap next year.

That leaves Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs (and Diggs has already restructured and had his money pushed out).

 

Open up the Spotrac site and click to sort on "Base Salary".  Edmunds will be on top.  He's not restructuring without a new contract.

Same goes with Poyer, Keenum and Oliver.  There's a lot more to this stuff, but that is the basics.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

 

EDIT:  Sorry, linked wrong site.  This is right.

Edited September 29, 2022 by ColoradoBills

[BigDingus]

6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

LOL.  I shouldn't have let the conversation get to where it's at.  If you're giving me some sarcasm, I probably deserve it.

If it's not it should have its own thread.  I'm not the only one who enjoys that kind of stuff.

 

No no, I was being goofy about it, but I really was wanting an explanation. I also thought any players could have salaries converted to bonuses, but I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to contracts, what qualifies as "dead cap," or what options the Bills have when trying to keep cornerstone players when cap-strapped.

 

So thanks for detailing some of that! 

[pennstate10]

On 9/28/2022 at 1:38 PM, The Red King said:

Problem is o-line.  Defenders are in our backfield on runs up the middle.  I don't care who you have at running back, it's not gonna work.

Barkley is used to this from his PSU days. 
 

Seriously, 3 of 4 runs he’d be hit in the backfield. Three of those runs would be -3 to +2 yd gains. 
 

The 4th would be a 10-80 yd gain. 

[pennstate10]

2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

That statement alone proves you know nothing about NFL contacts.

You are so wrong, and evidently don't want to learn why, that it's not worth conversing with you about it.

C’mon man.  
josh Allen’s salary is ~$18 million. After 3 games probably $15 million. Convert that to $6 million bonus and $9 million salary. Done. 
 

Yes, it might not be wise because you’re making the cap in 2023-2028 that much worse. 
 

But it can be done. It’s not rocket science.