Nextmanup Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 This podcast has been discussed here before and is generally an excellent watch/listen. A few days ago, John Fina's mom passed away and so former Bills O-lineman Jerry Ostroski stood in for him after the Miami game. Jerry picked up where John left off, getting into a lot of nitty gritty technical line play discussion. I eat this stuff up with gravy! The whole podcast is worth your time, but I wanted to make this thread to discuss the video/discussion starting around 40:30 specifically. Jerry breaks down Greg Van Roten's silent count procedure, and how he was making a rookie mistake giving away the timing of the snap to the defensive line every time. He mentioned that if he (Ostroski) was the one doing that, John Fina would be in the huddle yelling at him and telling him to change it up on every snap. This gave Miami's pass rush a huge edge and they were just teeing off as a result. Just a very interesting little piece of the game that only ex-players are going to identify and discuss in this manner. I highly recommend this podcast regularly with John Fina, but I thought Jerry was fantastic this week! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5FHnBNcmnk Go to 40:30 3 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 you eat this stuff up with gravy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, teef said: you eat this stuff up with gravy? Yeah! Real discussion about the game of football as actually played at the NFL level. Almost all talking head commentary is not about ANY of this. Edited September 28, 2022 by Nextmanup 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 I wonder if Josh did say something, or whether he thought it might mess the snap up even more if Van Roten kept adapting the call, so left him be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, teef said: you eat this stuff up with gravy? He eats pieces of crap like you for breakfast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: He eats pieces of crap like you for breakfast. some of us try to be playful. others try to be mean. guess what side you are on? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, UKBillFan said: I wonder if Josh did say something, or whether he thought it might mess the snap up even more if Van Roten kept adapting the call, so left him be? He may not even have been aware of what Van Roten was doing...but this commentary is coming from a guy who used to play center (for a little while at least) in the NFL. So he's tuned into different things on a different level. Just now, teef said: some of us try to be playful. others try to be mean. guess what side you are on? Can you please stop filling the thread up with garbage? Is your free time that valueless? Have you nothing better to do with your time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: He may not even have been aware of what Van Roten was doing...but this commentary is coming from a guy who used to play center (for a little while at least) in the NFL. So he's tuned into different things on a different level. Can you please stop filling the thread up with garbage? Is your free time that valueless? Have you nothing better to do with your time? Presumably the coaching staff will pick up on this. Hopefully Morse might be fit for Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: Can you please stop filling the thread up with garbage? Is your free time that valueless? Have you nothing better to do with your time? i was really trying to reach out to you and create a relationship. i guess i know what side of the playfull/mean line you lean towards. did something go wrong today to make you upset? you're typically level headed and pleasant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, UKBillFan said: Presumably the coaching staff will pick up on this. Hopefully Morse might be fit for Sunday. I would think the O-line coach would, but who knows! Getting Morse in there would be fantastic, and this clip I'm trying to share with people is just one of a million little reasons why...and why it sucks to have injuries and have to play players who shouldn't be on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I would think the O-line coach would, but who knows! Getting Morse in there would be fantastic, and this clip I'm trying to share with people is just one of a million little reasons why...and why it sucks to have injuries and have to play players who shouldn't be on the field. Or at least playing players out of position. Van Roten would have probably been OK at Guard, but not at Centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) If you watch the sack/fumble Dawkins wasn't even ready for the snap...he was looking inside at a Dolphins player and then the guard signals for the snap almost immediately once he gets into his stance and before Dawkins can even turn his head back towards Ingram he is already by him...I am not sure who is at fault there...Dawkins for not being ready and turning his attention away from the outside player(I am assuming he was trying to point out to the guy next to him that he should take the inside player) or for the ball being snapped so quickly which appeared to catch his own teammates off guard and not ready. That was one of those WTF just happened plays that we almost never see. Ostrowski also feels Spencer Brown is still bothered by his back a little bit because he isn't as aggressive as normal in pass protection. Also...watching a few of the stuffed runs... am starting to wonder if Allen is not audibling out of runs that are almost doomed to fail based on defensive numbers towards the play side meaning they have more defenders than we have blockers, which means the play needs to be changed or they need to flip it to the other side. Could the run game be getting stuffed because Allen may be poor at audibling out of bad runs based on the D? Edited September 28, 2022 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Jim Kelly was snapping the ball on the same count in the first Cowboys SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Jeez - even the Bills' podcasters are down to their second-string offensive linemen. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 42 minutes ago, teef said: some of us try to be playful. others try to be mean. guess what side you are on? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 44 minutes ago, teef said: some of us try to be playful. others try to be mean. guess what side you are on? What side am I on? You better not say North Korea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 44 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: He may not even have been aware of what Van Roten was doing...but this commentary is coming from a guy who used to play center (for a little while at least) in the NFL. So he's tuned into different things on a different level. Can you please stop filling the thread up with garbage? Is your free time that valueless? Have you nothing better to do with your time? I find your post to be great. Thanks for posting. I find his post to be great too. Adds some spice to the thread. Makes the thread more diverse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Einstein said: Beautiful 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Einstein said: I think that’s extremely playful considering the context. What he said should have been much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 52 minutes ago, Einstein said: you win this one einstein! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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