Poor coaching by McDermott is becoming a theme

[Einstein]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

McD is a great program-builder/turnaround expert.  Do not believe he can win a championship in an 18-game season plus the playoffs with smart minds on the other side of the field.

 

Yeah he’s Marv Levy.

 

Not Parcells. Or Belichick. Or even Reid.

[PromoTheRobot]

On 10/2/2022 at 7:31 PM, Igotbills said:

Time management at end of half and end of game wasn’t great, which continues to be a theme. 
 

End of half there was a play that was in bounds with around 50 seconds with all 3 timeouts and we don’t take a timeout we lose about 15-20 seconds. We end up 1st and goal with only 13 seconds left and I believe still 2 timeouts. This probably leaves us only 2 plays at the endzone, maybe a 3rd if go for it and drain the clock.
 

End of game we are around the 50 with around 3- 3 1/2 minutes left and aren’t running the play clock down. Snapping the ball with 10-15 seconds left. it’s like we didn’t realize a field goal of wins the game until the last 3 plays. 

 

With everything that went wrong today, you're leading with time management?

[BeastMaster]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

McD is a great program-builder/turnaround expert.  Do not believe he can win a championship in an 18-game season plus the playoffs with smart minds on the other side of the field.

Pretty much

 

He just doesn't have it 

 

Not sure how many seasons of failing to meet expectations we must endure until this is acknowledged 

[Chaos]

The fact that this thread can be legitimately resurrected every couple of weeks is troubling.  McDermott is a choker.  And the entire team is starting to reflect its head coach. 

[Eastport bills]

He is a defensive coach and it’s obvious he’s lost confidence in his defense. They are feisty  and the front seven plays hard, but this young secondary cannot hold up against big time receivers. They grab and hold and never knock balls away. 50/50 catches are commonplace for our opponents. He’s never been more than a conservative coach the players play hard for. If he can’t get Josh to cut down on turnovers, he needs to go.

[Chaos]

1 minute ago, BeastMaster said:

Pretty much

 

He just doesn't have it 

 

Not sure how many seasons of failing to meet expectations we must endure until this is acknowledged 

Its coaching purgatory.  He is better than half of the NFL Head Coaches. Just like Derek Carr has been better than than half of the QBs in the NFL most of his career.  

[LeGOATski]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

You’re right. I must of thought it was 4th and goal since EVERY SINGLE OFFENSIVE RECEIVING OPTION ran into the endzone.

So much for only needing 2 yards.

 

And all Allen had to do was step to his left and take the 2 yards. You're screenshot is late in the play. He was in the mindset of needing the TD when all they needed was two.

 

Then he even said in his presser "it's fourth down there, no reason to take the sack or throw it away." 

 

I love the never say die attitude with Allen when they're down in the game and it's 3rd or 4th and long, but in this case they are up by 10 pts and have the Vikings pinned in their own end. The reason coaches don't mind going for it on 4th down there is because if they miss it, they still have the other team pinned. Josh has to understand in this situation that it actually IS okay to throw it away. Not force an INT in the end zone and give away the good field position.

[Perry Turtle]

18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I don't think the coaching was good today. ESPECIALLY Dorsey. 

 

But Josh Allen has turned it over another 3 times. He cannot keep killing us like this. He is biggest reason for the last two defeat. 

 

Not good enough. All around.

Allen has been playing like that the last few games, but you don't fix that during the game.  You fix it during the week during practice and film study.  Allen isn't right, but how's the coaching staff addressing this?  

 

Turnovers are a symptom.  The coaching staff should be diagnosing the cause and working to fix it during the week. 

[Einstein]

7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

With everything that went wrong today, you're leading with time management?

You quoted an old post.

6 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

And all Allen had to do was step to his left and take the 2 yards. You're screenshot is late in the play. He was in the mindset of needing the TD when all they needed was two.

 

Then he even said in his presser "it's fourth down there, no reason to take the sack or throw it away." 

 

I love the never say die attitude with Allen when they're down in the game and it's 3rd or 4th and long, but in this case they are up by 10 pts and have the Vikings pinned in their own end. The reason coaches don't mind going for it on 4th down there is because if they miss it, they still have the other team pinned. Josh has to understand in this situation that it actually IS okay to throw it away. Not force an INT in the end zone and give away the good field position.

 

As a coach you have to take everything into consideration and make a decision.

 

Consideration #1: Allen is injured.

 

Consideration #2: Allen hasn’t been playing well.

 

Take those two considerations and the obvious choice to me is “kick the field goal”.

 

If Allen wasn’t injured and Allen was playing normal MVP level, fine, go for it.

 

But he ain’t.

 

And there is no point in pretending that he is.

 

So kick the field goal, considering the circumstances.

[Meatloaf63]

21 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Yes, I heard that too.

Josh needs to get that message, thought last week would have taught him, maybe this will wake him up…

[Einstein]

4 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Josh needs to get that message, thought last week would have taught him, maybe this will wake him up…

 

It’s not something he can learn by his coach saying to cut out turnovers.

It’s not like he intended to severely underthrow Davis. Or throw it directly to a defender.

[LeGOATski]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

You quoted an old post.

 

As a coach you have to take everything into consideration and make a decision.

 

Consideration #1: Allen is injured.

 

Consideration #2: Allen hasn’t been playing well.

 

Take those two considerations and the obvious choice to me is “kick the field goal”.

 

If Allen wasn’t injured and Allen was playing normal MVP level, fine, go for it.

 

But he ain’t.

 

And there is no point in pretending that he is.

 

So kick the field goal, considering the circumstances.

Why neuter your star player? The only way he's going to get past the struggle is by actually working through it. Allen is not someone you try to cover up. You call it the way you know he can play because he's going to work through it eventually. And that's how you get him ready to make all the right decisions in the playoffs. He has to learn from it now, not later. 

 

He should've take what was given today. If he didn't that, no one would be blaming coaching because the fact is that coaching had them in position to win.

[Einstein]

Just now, LeGOATski said:

Why neuter your star player? The only way he's going to get past the struggle is by actually working through it. 

 

I completely disagree.

 

I think Allen is someone who gets his mojo back by incremental successes.

 

That’s why some people call him streaky. When he is in a rhythm, he is impossible to stop.

 

But when he’s off, you have no idea what will happen.

 

Daboll, whenever Allen started going haywire, would return to quick, short throws. Get him back in a rhythm. Take wins when you can. Take the 20 point lead in the game.

[Einstein]

On 9/25/2022 at 6:30 PM, zow2 said:

Remember when the Bucs kept getting close with Dungy, then finally had enough and traded for John Gruden.  
Gruden then lead them to a Super Bowl win.

 

Sure do.

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

McD is gonna squander all this talent.  3 years in a row he’s had us flame out in the playoffs.  This season is a perfect microcosm of his coaching.  Losing to inferior teams.  Losing with games in complete control.  Poor in game decisions.  And the most important one, he still doesn’t understand that his best player doesn’t how to regulate his play.  He’s like a ferrari with no breaks.   You need to control him through play calling (not neuter him), go for FGs and don’t make the whole team dependent on his play.  McD will never be a championship coach.  Great DB coach?  Yes.  Good coach?  Yes.  If the Bills don’t win the SB this year, go get Peyton.  

[zow2]

You just don’t see other teams as highly touted as this Bills club, lose games the way they do. In such inexplicable crushing fashions. Just chokers.  Coaching has to be a big part of it. 

[Einstein]

9 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

McD is gonna squander all this talent.  3 years in a row he’s had us flame out in the playoffs.  This season is a perfect microcosm of his coaching.  Losing to inferior teams.  Losing with games in complete control.  Poor in game decisions.  And the most important one, he still doesn’t understand that his best player doesn’t how to regulate his play.  He’s like a ferrari with no breaks.   You need to control him through play calling (not neuter him), go for FGs and don’t make the whole team dependent on his play.  McD will never be a championship coach.  Great DB coach?  Yes.  Good coach?  Yes.  If the Bills don’t win the SB this year, go get Peyton.  

 

Well said.

[TheCockSportif]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

Why neuter your star player? The only way he's going to get past the struggle is by actually working through it. Allen is not someone you try to cover up. You call it the way you know he can play because he's going to work through it eventually. And that's how you get him ready to make all the right decisions in the playoffs. He has to learn from it now, not later. 

 

He should've take what was given today. If he didn't that, no one would be blaming coaching because the fact is that coaching had them in position to win.

I agree with you in part.  Even though JA17 isn't tip top at the moment, I have faith that he can get over the hump.

 

Where I disagree is about coaching.  Those 3rd and long conversions were absolutely brutal.  Not taking the FG was a huge miscue.  Plus, watching the first half was a great joy, where the second half was the exact opposite in a number of facets of the game.  Yeah, players have to execute, but at some point you wonder about stinker plays on O that lead to near turnovers or punts.

[Iverwig]

11 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

McD is gonna squander all this talent.  3 years in a row he’s had us flame out in the playoffs.  This season is a perfect microcosm of his coaching.  Losing to inferior teams.  Losing with games in complete control.  Poor in game decisions.  And the most important one, he still doesn’t understand that his best player doesn’t how to regulate his play.  He’s like a ferrari with no breaks.   You need to control him through play calling (not neuter him), go for FGs and don’t make the whole team dependent on his play.  McD will never be a championship coach.  Great DB coach?  Yes.  Good coach?  Yes.  If the Bills don’t win the SB this year, go get Peyton.  

I agree with a lot of this but I’m sure McD’s loyalists who think he is above criticism will continue to defend him while blaming everyone else. 

[thenorthremembers]

13 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

McD is gonna squander all this talent.  3 years in a row he’s had us flame out in the playoffs.  This season is a perfect microcosm of his coaching.  Losing to inferior teams.  Losing with games in complete control.  Poor in game decisions.  And the most important one, he still doesn’t understand that his best player doesn’t how to regulate his play.  He’s like a ferrari with no breaks.   You need to control him through play calling (not neuter him), go for FGs and don’t make the whole team dependent on his play.  McD will never be a championship coach.  Great DB coach?  Yes.  Good coach?  Yes.  If the Bills don’t win the SB this year, go get Peyton.  

You're really oversimplifying winning games in the NFL.     You're also suggesting firing our current head coach, and bringing in another coach who has an almost identical career win percentage, has a lower percentage of playoff appearances vs years active, and has flamed out in the playoffs 9 out of 10 years he made it.  All this despite having a top ten all time Quarterback for most of those years.

 

Its easy to be short sighted after a loss but McDermott has been a fine coach for the BIlls.  

Edited November 14, 2022 by thenorthremembers