Poor coaching by McDermott is becoming a theme

[RocCityRoller]

6 hours ago, CoudyBills said:

That was a drop.  Lots of receivers hang on to that ball.

The defender punched the ball out of his hands, that is not a drop.

[JerseyBills]

9 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

3rd string center

3rd string guard

2nd string RT

5th string CB

Back up CB

Diggs had to come off the field every other play in the 4th.

McKenzie had to go out multiple times.

Second string SS

Second string FS

Back up DT

2 practice squad DT called up.

Kumerow who has played decently also leaves with an injury.

 

100 degree heat index and no shade.

 

Thats what we dealt with today.

And STILL doubled them in total yards and were multiple flukey plays away from a W.

 

GTFO here. McDermott is a blessing to this franchise - this part was meant for OP, not you lol

Edited September 26, 2022 by JerseyBills

[Thurman#1]

52 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

He's below average, using measurable objective criteria, as a game-day coach...

 

I think you are focusing on big picture stuff.  Like he figured out which poisonous players to get rid of, he knows what types of players he likes, he gets everyone going in the same direction, he seems to motivate well, he gets players to want to play for each other....all that stuff.

 

He's a great franchise builder.

 

I don't know why he can't remain that guy as the head coach, but someone (quite frankly) a lot smarter can't be the "Field General" who dictates tactics during games.

 

Things like challenges should have NOTHING to do with the head coach.  He is no position to make those calls and he's not a review specialist...he's too busy building a football franchise.

 

In the years ahead, I think we will see a more sophisticated breakdown of power on the sidelines.

 

The thing I get a kick out of is watching the head coach (as though he doesn't have enough to worry about during a game) yell at sideline officials...like that is also supposed to be his job--work the refs to try and get a better call next time.  

 

It's so old fashioned and stupid....I hope it changes.

 

 

 

 

The measurable objective criteria you're most likely referring to are often either small potatoes, mostly old info. Am I wrong?

 

Here's measurable objective criteria, his teams win more than they lose.

 

They've gotten better. And not by a little. And you're right I'm focused on the big picture. That's where everyone should focus, IMO.

 

I wouldn't mind if they got someone in to take over challenges. But that's the old info. He started out doing pretty badly in challenges and he's been fine the last year or two.

 

 

49 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

excuses, excuses...

 

 

Um, yeah.

 

And sometimes factoring in the excuses is what gives you the right viewpoint.

 

The Bills shouldn't be saying this, it's not the productive way for the people in the action to look at things. But we're not players, we can look at things realistically.

 

And the injuries and in particular the heat problems had a massive impact on this game, the way the wind did in the first Pats game last year.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Budkin]

The Bills are good in spite of McDermott. It reminds me of back in the 80s when Doug Collins coached Michael Jordan and the Bulls. They needed Phil Jackson to get them over the top. I don’t know if McDermott will ever get us there but I hope I’m wrong. 

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Sure coaching definitely could have been better, clock management for sure. But McD didn't drop a TD catch, a pick 6, to a TD throw, miss a FG, bobble an end of half snap, make it 100+ degree heat index w/ no shade on the sidelines. While he could have been better for sure he had his very shorthanded team in position to win not once but twice. Players got to execute.

 

 

Saw on Buffalo Plus that thermometers on the field were reading 120.

 

That's insane!!

 

But yeah, players gotta execute. This was a team loss. Plenty of blame to go around and a bunch of very weird bounces and such besides.

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, Budkin said:

The Bills are good in spite of McDermott. It reminds me of back in the 80s when Doug Collins coached Michael Jordan and the Bulls. They needed Phil Jackson to get them over the top. I don’t know if McDermott will ever get us there but I hope I’m wrong. 

Yeah no….just no

[Mantis]

7 hours ago, Einstein said:

- We as a team seem to have removed QB sneak from the play book. We never run it. Ever. See this tweet for how I feel about that. Hard to think that’s not a directive from the top, seeing that two separate OC’s refuse to call it.

 

Disagree with much of the original post, but this part is spot on.  I remember a time when Allen was 14 out of 15 in converting 3rd/4th and 1 situations with a QB sneak.  Since the "slip" in Tennessee last year, I don't think that they have called it even once.  Today it was 2nd and goal from the 1 foot line!  And they have Josh in shotgun, standing on the 5 yard line and have him run...for a 2 yard loss.  Run a QB sneak for goodness sake!  All he has to do is reach for 1-1.5 feet and break the plane and he doesn't even have to protect the ball because if it gets knocked out once the plane is broken, it doesn't matter.

 

There were plenty of mistakes in this game that were not coaching related.  For the most part, I'm happy with the coaching.  But this downright refusal to run the QB is a consistent mistake that the coaches are making.  Hell even Matt Ryan converted one today.      

[Scott7975]

[Dablitzkrieg]

Let's not let Josh off the hook.  He missed a wide open TD as well.  That's not on anyone but him.  Point is a lot of blame to go around.  

 

Let's not kid ourselves, we all know when we play in Buffalo it will be a different story.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Dablitzkrieg

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I couldn't agree more. Stop burning early time outs in non emergency situations. This is getting ridiculous. Belichick always keeps 3 in his pocket late in a game. But unfortunately that's Sean's style and I doubt he ever changes. Very frustrating watching early TO's disappear or failed challenges. 

There were people screaming for McDermott to challenge that Gabe Davis non-touchdown and he didn’t do it and hung onto his time out

45 minutes ago, Mantis said:

Disagree with much of the original post, but this part is spot on.  I remember a time when Allen was 14 out of 15 in converting 3rd/4th and 1 situations with a QB sneak.  Since the "slip" in Tennessee last year, I don't think that they have called it even once.  Today it was 2nd and goal from the 1 foot line!  And they have Josh in shotgun, standing on the 5 yard line and have him run...for a 2 yard loss.  Run a QB sneak for goodness sake!  All he has to do is reach for 1-1.5 feet and break the plane and he doesn't even have to protect the ball because if it gets knocked out once the plane is broken, it doesn't matter.

 

There were plenty of mistakes in this game that were not coaching related.  For the most part, I'm happy with the coaching.  But this downright refusal to run the QB is a consistent mistake that the coaches are making.  Hell even Matt Ryan converted one today.      

We also don’t give the ball to the outback you’re telling me that Reggie Gilliam can’t get you a yard

[BobbyC81]

9 hours ago, CoudyBills said:

That was a drop.  Lots of receivers hang on to that ball.

I’ve seen similar plays called TDs.

[TBBills]

Leslie Fraizer needs to be fired, this is why old people are not being hired as HCs anymore. They don't think progressively and call a prevent 3 man rush on 3rd and 22.

 

@GunnerBillyou might disagree but most of the rest of the NFL agrees with just seeing how he mever even got a true consideration for a HC job. 

Edited September 26, 2022 by TBBills

[Matt_In_NH]

This is clear Monday morning coaching on a Sunday night.  Let's just pick this one:

 

- Not having your WR’s ready to go down with enough time to spike the ball

 

What play are you talking about exactly?  End of the half, end of the game when they were not in FG range?

[Einstein]

5 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

And STILL doubled them in total yards and were multiple flukey plays away from a W.

 

GTFO here. McDermott is a blessing to this franchise - this part was meant for OP, not you lol

 

One might say Beane is a blessing to this franchise more than McDermott.

 

What coach would NOT win with the talent on this roster?

[teef]

This is perfect.  Absolutely perfect.  

[GunnerBill]

29 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

One might say Beane is a blessing to this franchise more than McDermott.

 

What coach would NOT win with the talent on this roster?

 

Beane has built a talented roster, no doubt. But I think the continued issues on the offensive line are absolutely a Beane thing. In 4 of our last 7 defeats the offense has had the ball at the end in Josh Allen's hands with a chance to win the game - Tennessee, Jacksonville, New England and yesterday (you could even add Tampa in there as a touchdown on that final drive instead of a FG wins us the game) - and we haven't got it done on any of those occasions.

• In Tennessee the offensive line got blown up on the sneak;
• In Jacksonville Allen was under duress the entire drive and sacked on the final 3rd down knocking us out of FG range;
• Against the Pats we turned 1st and 10 at the NE 13 into 3rd and 14 with a false start and then Allen was harassed on both 3rd and 4th down causing incompletions;
• Yesterday Allen was under duress that entire drive and then Quessenberry took a holding penalty that knocked us out of FG range. 

In the NFL there are going to be close games. It is the nature of parity. The Bills have an exceptional record of blowing teams out but when you have Josh Allen and in a close game he has the ball last that, frankly, is all you can wish for. That we haven't got it done on so many occasions (only the Colts and the Chiefs playoff game of our last 7 losses as the offense not had a chance at the end of the game to win it for us) is a real outlier for a team with an elite QB. And I'm afraid the pattern there is very clear. With all the chips in the middle of the table in those end of game situations we suffer protection breakdown after protection breakdown. 

 

You can put that on coaching if you like. But two OCs, two OL coaches... repeating pattern. The blocking ain't up to snuff. 

 

52 minutes ago, TBBills said:

 

 

@GunnerBillyou might disagree but most of the rest of the NFL agrees with just seeing how he mever even got a true consideration for a HC job. 

 

Almost every single team on 3rd and 22 with an inexperienced secondary is playing coverage. Okay, it didn't work, Jaquan got burned. I get it. But Leslie Frazier did an excellent job with the pieces he had yesterday. He put his young players in position to make the most of what they had. They give up one play and everyone goes mad about the playcall. 

 

And the reason Leslie Frazier is not a true consideration for a head coach job is because he has had his shot, is in his 60s and is a defensive guy when the league is going to offense. I wouldn't hire him as a HC either. But as a DC? He is one of the best in the business. 

Edited September 26, 2022 by GunnerBill

[Einstein]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Beane has built a talented roster, no doubt. But I think the continued issues on the offensive line are absolutely a Beane thing. In 4 of our last 7 defeats the offense has had the ball at the end in Josh Allen's hands with a chance to win the game - Tennessee, Jacksonville, New England and yesterday (you could even add Tampa in there as a touchdown on that final drive instead of a FG wins us the game) - and we haven't got it done on any of those occasions.

• In Tennessee the offensive line got blown up on the sneak;
• In Jacksonville Allen was under duress the entire drive and sacked on the final 3rd down knocking us out of FG range;
• Against the Pats we turned 1st and 10 at the NE 13 into 3rd and 14 with a false start and then Allen was harassed on both 3rd and 4th down causing incompletions;
• Yesterday Allen was under duress that entire drive and then Quessenberry took a holding penalty that knocked us out of FG range. 

In the NFL there are going to be close games. It is the nature of parity. The Bills have an exceptional record of blowing teams out but when you have Josh Allen and in a close game he has the ball last that, frankly, is all you can wish for. That we haven't got it done on so many occasions (only the Colts and the Chiefs playoff game of our last 7 losses as the offense not had a chance at the end of the game to win it for us) is a real outlier for a team with an elite QB. And I'm afraid the pattern there is very clear. With all the chips in the middle of the table in those end of game situations we suffer protection breakdown after protection breakdown. 

 

You can put that on coaching if you like. But two OCs, two OL coaches... repeating pattern. The blocking ain't up to snuff. 

 

 

Almost every single team on 3rd and 22 with an inexperienced secondary is playing coverage. Okay, it didn't work, Jaquan got burned. I get it. But Leslie Frazier did an excellent job with the pieces he had yesterday. He put his young players in position to make the most of what they had. They give up one play and everyone goes mad about the playcall. 

 

And the reason Leslie Frazier is not a true consideration for a head coach job is because he has had his shot, is in his 60s and is a defensive guy when the league is going to offense. I wouldn't hire him as a HC either. But as a DC? He is one of the best in the business. 

 

Keep in mind that Allen was something like 95% on QB sneaks before our coaching decided to stop calling it. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

Keep in mind that Allen was something like 95% on QB sneaks before our coaching decided to stop calling it. 

 

I'd like the sneaks back in the playbook too, no question. But forget the series on the goalline for a moment. We still had the ball again after that with enough time only needing a FG. The offensive line failed us, again. In a big spot. You can pretend that is on coaching but ultimately that is on talent. When it comes to the crunch and it is your guy vs my guy and someone has to make a play our offensive line comes up small every time. Why? Because we keep patching it up with guys who are at best serviceable rather than really prioritising it. 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, TBBills said:

Leslie Fraizer needs to be fired, this is why old people are not being hired as HCs anymore. They don't think progressively and call a prevent 3 man rush on 3rd and 22.

 

@GunnerBillyou might disagree but most of the rest of the NFL agrees with just seeing how he mever even got a true consideration for a HC job. 

Von Miller, Boogie Basham and Daquan Jones were pass rushers on that play

[Shortchaz]

When there’s so many people involved there’s blame to go around, McD deserves his share of the blame.

 

One concern is that, when it comes to high pressure situations, the bills seem to be on the losing end. the team is not proactive in teaching/understanding how to perform in the pressure cooker. They don’t demonstrate a cool/calm confidence in themselves, instead they seem to panic(?).

 

McD is great at getting the team ready to steamroll/steamrolling and that is AWESOME. Where he could improve is a) the teams understanding of the rules b) situational performance.

 

not easy things, but I believe it’s a big part of what lead to Brady/Belichick’s success

Edited September 26, 2022 by Shortchaz