NFL Week #3 - Bills at the Dolphins - Post game thread

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

And neither of them live or play in Miami, so their opinion of it coming from buffalo is irrelevant.

 

I provided you the information on heat acclimatization.  You choose to ignore it and live in ignorance.  Rousseau is no longer acclimatized to playing in the Miami heat and humidity and Tasker's opinion is supposed to mean what?  LMAO  He's obviously no longer acclimatized either.  

 

Your take:  Ignore science, ignore the weather almanac.  Just listen to the guys no longer acclimatized to that heat.

 

That's called a bad take my guy.  Just take the L and work on better excuses.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/mining/userfiles/works/pdfs/2017-124.pdf

 

Why aren't you answering the question?  Why were players getting heat exhaustion this year but not in years past?  

 

Isiah McKenzie I know lives in Miami because he owns a taco restaurant.  He lives there in the offseason.  

 

Show me evidence where a Dolphins player where Buffalo was too cold for them where they couldn't physically play and took themselves out of the game like Diggs, Know, McKenzie, Van Rotten and others.

2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

No, that's not what I'm saying.  I'm saying the weather did have an impact, but it impacts both teams differently.  It impacts the Bills players more than the Fins players because the Fins are better acclimatized to working in that heat and humidity where the Bills players are not.

 

But you keep saying it's not an excuse for the Bills!  Holy contradiction!!!

[Billz4ever]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Why aren't you answering the question?  Why were players getting heat exhaustion this year but not in years past?  

 

Isiah McKenzie I know lives in Miami because he owns a taco restaurant.  He lives there in the offseason.  

 

Show me evidence where a Dolphins player where Buffalo was too cold for them where they couldn't physically play and took themselves out of the game like Diggs, Know, McKenzie, Van Rotten and others.

You tell me?  

 

I just told you the offense was on the field 28 minutes last season compared to 42 this time and with 20 play drives.

 

The weather conditions were essentially identical yet you're trying to tell me they aren't based on two people's opinions who, as a matter of fact, are not acclimatized to play in that heat and humidity.

 

If you want to continue to claim science and the weather almanac are lying, have at it, but that's a tough act to sell.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

No, that's not what I'm saying.  I'm saying the weather did have an impact, but it impacts both teams differently.  It impacts the Bills players more than the Fins players because the Fins are better acclimatized to working in that heat and humidity where the Bills players are not.

 

In that sense, I think you're actually agreeing with Royale with Cheese - the weather and heat benefited Miami? Especially when, if you look at last year, we had a fit defense, the offense actually had less time on the field, and the play design was not so focused on prolonging the latter's time on the field to save the former.

[Billz4ever]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Why aren't you answering the question?  Why were players getting heat exhaustion this year but not in years past?  

 

Isiah McKenzie I know lives in Miami because he owns a taco restaurant.  He lives there in the offseason.  

 

Show me evidence where a Dolphins player where Buffalo was too cold for them where they couldn't physically play and took themselves out of the game like Diggs, Know, McKenzie, Van Rotten and others.

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Isiah McKenzie I know lives in Miami because he owns a taco restaurant.  He lives there in the offseason.  

 

Are you simply trolling at this point?  Is this a serious statement?  So what if he lives there in the offseason?  It isn't nearly as hot in FL in the offseason as it is late summer, especially in Miami.  You're literally talking to someone that lives in FL.

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Billz4ever said:

You tell me?  

 

I just told you the offense was on the field 28 minutes last season compared to 42 this time and with 20 play drives.

 

The weather conditions were essentially identical yet you're trying to tell me they aren't based on two people's opinions who, as a matter of fact, are not acclimatized to play in that heat and humidity.

 

If you want to continue to claim science and the weather almanac are lying, have at it, but that's a tough act to sell.

 

Again, I never said the almanac is lying.  The heat significantly effected us this year more than before, we all saw that.

 

Greg Rousseau has played a lot of games and a lot of training camps in Miami, when he said yesterday was one of the hottest, I'm just automatically not going to believe him because he doesn't live in Miami full time anymore?  How many training camps, practice or a games have you played in?  He's had hundreds...he remember what temps he's played in.  I can tell you the coldest day I've sat in the seats before and I've lived in the south for 20 years.

 

Also, the field temps are effected differently.  We have to monitor the temps closely at practice because if it's too hot, you can't practice outside.

We've had air temps at like 94, field temps at like 105 and but also air temp 90 degrees but field temp at 110.  

[Billz4ever]

3 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

In that sense, I think you're actually agreeing with Royale with Cheese - the weather and heat benefited Miami? Especially when, if you look at last year, we had a fit defense, the offense actually had less time on the field, and the play design was not so focused on prolonging the latter's time on the field to save the former.

It didn't so much benefit Miami and much as it was a hindrance to the Bills.  I don't think we're agreeing either considering he seems to be denying that acclimatization is actually a real thing.

 

Bills ripped Miami in the same stadium and almost identical weather conditions last year.  Weather has only now become the focus of some because the Bills lost.

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

In that sense, I think you're actually agreeing with Royale with Cheese - the weather and heat benefited Miami? Especially when, if you look at last year, we had a fit defense, the offense actually had less time on the field, and the play design was not so focused on prolonging the latter's time on the field to save the former.

 

He's contradicting himself.

[Jauronimo]

That was the first time I've ever seen players ruled OUT for the game with "Heat Illness".

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

It didn't so much benefit Miami and much as it was a hindrance to the Bills.  I don't think we're agreeing either considering he seems to be denying that acclimatization is actually a real thing.

 

Bills ripped Miami in the same stadium and almost identical weather conditions last year.  Weather has only now become the focus of some because the Bills lost.

 

Of course he benefits the Dolphins if it hinders the Bills.  If your opponent is weakened, it's a significant advantage.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

It didn't so much benefit Miami and much as it was a hindrance to the Bills.  I don't think we're agreeing either considering he seems to be denying that acclimatization is actually a real thing.

 

Bills ripped Miami in the same stadium and almost identical weather conditions last year.  Weather has only now become the focus of some because the Bills lost.

 

Though I did suggest a reason why last year could be treated differently to this year regarding the heat. As shown by the quarterback not vomiting on the sidelines in 2021, or people cramping up and struggling from it.

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Again, I never said the almanac is lying.  The heat significantly effected us this year more than before, we all saw that.

 

Greg Rousseau has played a lot of games and a lot of training camps in Miami, when he said yesterday was one of the hottest, I'm just automatically not going to believe him because he doesn't live in Miami full time anymore?  How many training camps, practice or a games have you played in?  He's had hundreds...he remember what temps he's played in.  I can tell you the coldest day I've sat in the seats before and I've lived in the south for 20 years.

 

Also, the field temps are effected differently.  We have to monitor the temps closely at practice because if it's too hot, you can't practice outside.

We've had air temps at like 94, field temps at like 105 and but also air temp 90 degrees but field temp at 110.  

Once again, you are denying acclimatization.  If you no longer live and work in that environment, your body perceives it differently than it did before because your body has become acclimatized to where you NOW live and work.  Putting you back in the other environment is going to change your perception because of that fact.

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Billz4ever said:

Once again, you are denying acclimatization.  If you no longer live and work in that environment, your body perceives it differently than it did before because your body has become acclimatized to where you NOW live and work.  Putting you back in the other environment is going to change your perception because of that fact.

 

Dolphins players are not acclimated to the cold weather.  Why don't all of them wear long sleeves in cold weather games?

Show me where players ever had to leave due to coldness.  

[Billz4ever]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

 

Though I did suggest a reason why last year could be treated differently to this year regarding the heat. As shown by the quarterback not vomiting on the sidelines in 2021, or people cramping up and struggling from it.

Mahomes was throwing up yesterday too.  There's too many different factors that go into what could cause a player to vomit.  Level of exertion being probably the biggest.  The bills cruised to a 35-0 win last season and were only on the field 28 minutes.  This year it was 42 minutes, they were not having the same success, and Allen was often running for his life.

 

Two completely different game scenarios to simply point to the weather, when I've already provided the actual weather data and it's quite literally within 1 degree of each other.

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Dolphins players are not acclimated to the cold weather.  Why don't all of them wear long sleeves in cold weather games?

Show me where players ever had to leave due to coldness.  

Enjoy your denying of science because I'm done with this conversation.  If you want to listen to anecdotes over actual weather data and the scientific fact that is heat acclimatization, that's on you, but I'm done trying to talk any sense into you.  Also, enjoy blaming the sun for the loss when they won 35-0 in almost identical weather last year in the same stadium.

[UKBillFan]

4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Mahomes was throwing up yesterday too.  There's too many different factors that go into what could cause a player to vomit.  Level of exertion being probably the biggest.  The bills cruised to a 35-0 win last season and were only on the field 28 minutes.  This year it was 42 minutes, they were not having the same success, and Allen was often running for his life.

 

Two completely different game scenarios to simply point to the weather, when I've already provided the actual weather data and it's quite literally within 1 degree of each other.

Enjoy your denying of science because I'm done with this conversation.  If you want to listen to anecdotes over actual weather data and the scientific fact that is heat acclimatization, that's on you, but I'm done trying to talk any sense into you.  Also, enjoy blaming the sun for the loss when they won 35-0 in almost identical weather last year in the same stadium.

 

Were the offensive players going down with cramp and heat exhaustion last year?

[Billz4ever]

10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He's contradicting himself.

LMAO, where's the block function.  The dude denying science and the weather almanac and would rather listen to people that live and play in buffalo simply to satisfy his confirmation bias so he can claim Miami has an unfair advantage is claiming I'm somehow contradicting myself.

[Royale with Cheese]

10 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Two completely different game scenarios to simply point to the weather, when I've already provided the actual weather data and it's quite literally within 1 degree of each other.

Enjoy your denying of science because I'm done with this conversation.  If you want to listen to anecdotes over actual weather data and the scientific fact that is heat acclimatization, that's on you, but I'm done trying to talk any sense into you.  Also, enjoy blaming the sun for the loss when they won 35-0 in almost identical weather last year in the same stadium.

 

LOL...you're not going to answer the question.  Deflection at its finest.

 

So if the temps are identical and our offense was on the field much longer this year...wouldn't that mean the sun did have an effect?

They were out there longer, exerting more energy.  It is a scientific fact that working out longer in the heat has more of an effect?  I'm sure it is.

28 minutes to 42 minutes is big difference.  

 

2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

LMAO, where's the block function.  The dude denying science and the weather almanac and would rather listen to people that live and play in buffalo simply to satisfy his confirmation bias so he can claim Miami has an unfair advantage is claiming I'm somehow contradicting myself.

 

You are contradicting yourself.  

 

You are saying "no excuses" but then admit the weather effects Bills players differently because they aren't used to it.  

We literally saw players dropping.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Royale with Cheese

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Were the offensive players going down with cramp and heat exhaustion last year?

Good question.  I don't know.  Typically, there are a few that are sucking the O2, cramping and trying to stay cool but I wasn't paying that close attention.

 

It was a blowout last year, and as I said, I think it's safe to say the level of exertion in a 28 min TOS game where you won 35-0 isn't the same as a game where you're on the field for 42 minutes in a nail biter and trying to come from behind.

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

LOL...you're not going to answer the question.  Deflection at its finest.

 

So if the temps are identical and our offense was on the field much longer this year...wouldn't that mean the sun did have an effect?

They were out there longer, exerting more energy.  It is a scientific fact that working out longer in the heat has more of an effect?  I'm sure it is.

28 minutes to 42 minutes is big difference.  

 

 

You are contradicting yourself.  

I'm still trying to figure out what your point is.

 

They were on the field longer this year.  I have literally said that was a factor over last year.

 

So what?

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

I'm still trying to figure out what your point is.

 

They were on the field longer this year.  I have literally said that was a factor over last year.

 

So what?

 

So what?  Well, being on the field longer and exerting themselves in the hot sun absolutely had an effect on them.  But you said "no excuses" the weather was exactly the same and don't blame the sun.  I'm not saying we didn't flawlessly execute on the field but to say "no excuse" after seeing players dropping due to heat exhaustion is farfetched. 

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

So what?  Well, being on the field longer and exerting themselves in the hot sun absolutely had an effect on them.  But you said "no excuses" the weather was exactly the same and don't blame the sun.  I'm not saying we didn't flawlessly execute on the field but to say "no excuse" after seeing players dropping due to heat exhaustion is farfetched. 

You still make zero sense.

 

So when the Bills win in blowout fashion in the same weather in the same stadium a year ago, it's not unfair, but if they lose to the Fins in the same weather yesterday, now it's somehow an unfair advantage Miami has?

 

Are you even listening to yourself?

Edited September 26, 2022 by Billz4ever

[Simon]

14 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

LMAO, where's the block function.

 

That's an excellent idea.

Then the rest of us don't have to deal with multiple pages of endless bickering about pointless semantics.