Son of a K-Gun Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Plenty of football pitches in Europe have under soil heating...think it is actually a requirement for many of the top-flights considering when their seasons are played. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) It is more than just “put a heating element under the grass”. Right kind of sod, how it is installed, how it is maintained, etc… …and a good point made upthread, how much sun will the field get…depending on how large of a roof structure is installed. Edited September 22, 2022 by LabattBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, Big Turk said: I thought the new synthetic grass like turfs were designed to reduce injuries but apparently this is still an issue and it seems the battle over this is getting more and more heated between the NFL and NFLPA. I had no idea this was a hot button issue. Players claiming it reduces their playing careers and causes injuries they wouldn't have gotten otherwise...many are pointing to the OBJ injury as one that wouldn't have happened on grass... Owners like the synthetic fields because they are easier and cheaper to maintain and allow them to host more events that make money outside of football... NFL is trying to take the middle path and work to develop new materials that have the best of both worlds but time seems to be running out with the NFLPA...would not be surprised to see this as a hot topic in the next CBA if something doesn't change... https://sports.yahoo.com/from-astro-turf-to-frankenturf-inside-the-nf-ls-behind-the-scenes-battle-to-fix-its-turf-problem-140637769.html OBJ re-injured his previously torn and repaired ACL. This had a 30% chance of happening within 2 years of repair in a high level athlete in a sport with jumping/pivoting/cutting--6 times the ACL tear rate of healthy controls. Players really want to play in cold weather stadiums in December and January on dead, hard turf? Bermuda grass is the new turf being installed and even its producer says it goes "dormant" in winter, even if heated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: It is more than just “put a heating element under the grass”. Right kind if sod, how it is installed, how it is maintained, etc… …and a good point made upthread, how much sun will the field get…depending on how large of a roof structure is installed. Pretty sure it's gonna be ETFE plastic (same stuff they used for the roofs in LA, Minnesota, Vegas...) so plenty of sun when the sun is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: It is more than just “put a heating element under the grass”. Right kind if sod, how it is installed, how it is maintained, etc… …and a good point made upthread, how much sun will the field get…depending on how large of a roof structure is installed. But on that case cant they simulate sun with lights. Combined with under soil heat, I don't see the issue with grass anymore. Technology has advanced significantly and made these systems more economical. Like this: https://recreationalsystemsint.com/products/rsi-sports-leds/stadium-grass-grow-lighting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Everyone just needs one of these 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, eball said: Bills new stadium will reportedly have real grass, correct? It will all be clear in the renderings 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 21 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: It is more than just “put a heating element under the grass”. Right kind of sod, how it is installed, how it is maintained, etc… …and a good point made upthread, how much sun will the field get…depending on how large of a roof structure is installed. From November onward? It won't get much sun at all...Buffalo has an extremely low sunshine percentage rate between 25-35% during the later times of year of the football season due to the warmer lakes causing instability and cloud cover near the shores. We pretty much always will have a few times from November to March where we will not see the sun for over a week at a time. More than the snow, that is what I hate about winters here. I lived in Ohio for a while and temps there were pretty much the same but it was sunny a LOT in the winter. Deceivingly so tho...you'd go outside and think it was really nice out, only to be greeted by 15 degree temps and a cold wind to your face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, DJB said: We will have to wait for the renderings which are due to be revealed any day now We're another day cl... oops, sorry, wrong thread. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 I was curious what teams have real grass, especially in the north like the Bills, and found this article from last week... What NFL stadiums have real grass? What kind of grass do they have? - AS USA Arizona Cardinals, State Farm Stadium, Bermuda grass Baltimore Ravens, M&T Bank Stadium, Bermuda grass Chicago Bears, Soldier Field, Kentucky bluegrass Cleveland Browns, FirstEnergy Stadium, Kentucky bluegrass Denver Broncos, Empower Field at Mile High, Kentucky bluegrass Green Bay Packers, Lambeau Field, Desso GrassMaster Jacksonville Jaguars, TIAA Bank Field, Bermuda grass Kansas City Chiefs, Arrowhead Stadium, Bermuda grass Las Vegas Raiders, Allegiant Stadium, Bermuda grass Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Raymond James Stadium, Bermuda grass Tennessee Titans, Nissan Stadium, Bermuda grass Washington Football Team, FedExField, Bermuda grass Philadelphia Eagles, Lincoln Financial Field, Desso GrassMaster Pittsburgh Steelers, Heinz Field, Kentucky bluegrass San Francisco 49ers, Levi’s Stadium, Bermuda grass, Perennial Ryegrass mixture 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 47 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: OBJ re-injured his previously torn and repaired ACL. This had a 30% chance of happening within 2 years of repair in a high level athlete in a sport with jumping/pivoting/cutting--6 times the ACL tear rate of healthy controls. Players really want to play in cold weather stadiums in December and January on dead, hard turf? Bermuda grass is the new turf being installed and even its producer says it goes "dormant" in winter, even if heated. Bermuda goes dormant once frost hits it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 How many teams actually keep grass in good shape? not many from what I have seen. I always make a note to look for divots 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxum Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, boater said: Grass doesn't do well in winter climates. For example: the Steelers have grass, by the time December comes around, it's a mud bowl. That will be NFLPA's next demand - move teams up north south to where grass grows through playing season. There argument will be with new broadcasting contracts fan money will no longer be as important. Also they will argue ball with point causes more injury and change it to a round ball. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Just Jack said: I was curious what teams have real grass, especially in the north like the Bills, and found this article from last week... What NFL stadiums have real grass? What kind of grass do they have? - AS USA Arizona Cardinals, State Farm Stadium, Bermuda grass Baltimore Ravens, M&T Bank Stadium, Bermuda grass Chicago Bears, Soldier Field, Kentucky bluegrass Cleveland Browns, FirstEnergy Stadium, Kentucky bluegrass Denver Broncos, Empower Field at Mile High, Kentucky bluegrass Green Bay Packers, Lambeau Field, Desso GrassMaster Jacksonville Jaguars, TIAA Bank Field, Bermuda grass Kansas City Chiefs, Arrowhead Stadium, Bermuda grass Las Vegas Raiders, Allegiant Stadium, Bermuda grass Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Raymond James Stadium, Bermuda grass Tennessee Titans, Nissan Stadium, Bermuda grass Washington Football Team, FedExField, Bermuda grass Philadelphia Eagles, Lincoln Financial Field, Desso GrassMaster Pittsburgh Steelers, Heinz Field, Kentucky bluegrass San Francisco 49ers, Levi’s Stadium, Bermuda grass, Perennial Ryegrass mixture Looks like Desso GrassMaster would make the most sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Why not go hybrid. Mix artificial with real... Like Lambeau Field. /EndThread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, boater said: Grass doesn't do well in winter climates. For example: the Steelers have grass, by the time December comes around, it's a mud bowl. Pittsburgh's stadium also hosts the Panthers and High School football playoffs (or used to) during rainy November. Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays. That's a lot of use for a soaked grass field. Probably the biggest reason it looks so bad in December. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxum Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: Looks like Desso GrassMaster would make the most sense. 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Why not go hybrid. Mix artificial with real... Like Lambeau Field. /EndThread. Desso GrassMaster also used in Wembley Stadium which is a multi-functioning arena including England national soccer team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 17 minutes ago, Just Jack said: I was curious what teams have real grass, especially in the north like the Bills, and found this article from last week... What NFL stadiums have real grass? What kind of grass do they have? - AS USA Arizona Cardinals, State Farm Stadium, Bermuda grass Baltimore Ravens, M&T Bank Stadium, Bermuda grass Chicago Bears, Soldier Field, Kentucky bluegrass Cleveland Browns, FirstEnergy Stadium, Kentucky bluegrass Denver Broncos, Empower Field at Mile High, Kentucky bluegrass Green Bay Packers, Lambeau Field, Desso GrassMaster Jacksonville Jaguars, TIAA Bank Field, Bermuda grass Kansas City Chiefs, Arrowhead Stadium, Bermuda grass Las Vegas Raiders, Allegiant Stadium, Bermuda grass Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Raymond James Stadium, Bermuda grass Tennessee Titans, Nissan Stadium, Bermuda grass Washington Football Team, FedExField, Bermuda grass Philadelphia Eagles, Lincoln Financial Field, Desso GrassMaster Pittsburgh Steelers, Heinz Field, Kentucky bluegrass San Francisco 49ers, Levi’s Stadium, Bermuda grass, Perennial Ryegrass mixture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Artificial turf is a joke, and I can't believe the NFLA has allowed this for so long. NFL needs to take a cue from big time international soccer, which would never dream of playing on artificial turf. It's just not part of the game, or at least shouldn't be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 19 minutes ago, Gugny said: Looks like Desso GrassMaster would make the most sense. They should copy everything the Packers did when they resurfaced their field. From the drainage and heating systems to the turf itself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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