The short yardage conundrum

[BuffaloBill]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

As great as this team is, the offense struggles in short yardage situations.

 

The Bills were dead-last in the NFL last season on 3rd and 1. And they were 0-4 on 3rd or 4th and 1 last night.

 

Question: Why do you think the Bills struggle in this area and what specifically do you feel that they can do to improve this facet of their offense?

 

Edit: A poster pointed out that we did actually convert one 4th and 1 last night. Sorry about the incorrectness above.

 

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This is a real problem and I really do not understand what is behind it.  Physicality is one issue as the Bills just seem to be tentative in these short yardage situations.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

This is not an excuse for not being able to move the ball on 3rd and 4th and 1.

 

Exactly.

I mean I wouldn’t call it an ‘excuse’ per se…but there’s certainly many easier teams to pick up a tough yard against so i don’t think it’s cause for alarm yet but maybe that’s just me.  We lost Mitch Morse for a few of those early 3rd and shorts against a really tough front 7 and later in the game when we had a comfortable lead we weren’t going to risk Josh’s health and run the designed qb run plays that worked well a week earlier 

one of the third/fourth and shorts was a rookie receiver just not knowing his responsibility and completely whiffing on a block
 

Not sure how us picking up 3rd and shorts at a 100% clip the week previous isn’t relevant though…you’d have to explain that to me. The only third down we missed in that one was a third and 5.

[Nitro]

Basic football in short yardage.  O line along with TE and WR have to set the table for the RB to hit the hole.  I saw missed blocks that made the runs unsuccessful.  It will be resolved soon.  Coaches live for things to fix.  

[without a drought]

The sooner everyone realizes that Moss is a backup all around back and not a short yardage specialist, the sooner they will get better at short yardage plays.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

It's still early in the season, but we did just face the best DT in the NFL last week in Aaron Donald and another top 10 one in Jeffrey Simmons.

 

I think that may have a bit more to do with the situation, in addition to wasting snaps on Zack Moss. If I hear one more person say he's a power/physical back my head might explode.

Also we were great on third down last week…why are people jumping a whole calendar year to last year to establish this narrative and skipping the other game we played this season 😂

 

we were 9/10 on third down against the rams and the one we missed was a medium yardage situation.  That’s the big reason why the sloppy turnovers didn’t hurt us so bad we were unstoppable on third down 

3 minutes ago, without a drought said:

The sooner everyone realizes that Moss is a backup all around back and not a short yardage specialist, the sooner they will get better at short yardage plays.

Not to say moss is good but I don’t think singletary would’ve picked up any of those firsts last night either…there were no running lanes.  Moss finds his way into the lineup because he’s a good pass blocker 

Edited September 20, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Dr. Who]

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

It's still early in the season, but we did just face the best DT in the NFL last week in Aaron Donald and another top 10 one in Jeffrey Simmons.

 

I think that may have a bit more to do with the situation, in addition to wasting snaps on Zack Moss. If I hear one more person say he's a power/physical back my head might explode.

Zack Moss is a power/physical back.

 

Did it work?

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

As great as this team is, the offense struggles in short yardage situations.

 

The Bills were dead-last in the NFL last season on 3rd and 1. And they were 0-4 on 3rd or 4th and 1 last night.

 

Question: Why do you think the Bills struggle in this area and what specifically do you feel that they can do to improve this facet of their offense?

 

Edit: A poster pointed out that we did actually convert one 4th and 1 last night. Sorry about the incorrectness above.

 

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Bills should just go long every play.

[Freddie's Dead]

Running Zack Moss instead of Motor Singletary.  Go with Motor, problem solved.

[without a drought]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Zack Moss is a power/physical back.

 

Did it work?

Maybe.

 

 

He didn't respond.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

48 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

This is a real problem and I really do not understand what is behind it.  Physicality is one issue as the Bills just seem to be tentative in these short yardage situations.

Ken Dorsey

 

Games as OC 2 

 

Just saying 

72 to 17

Edited September 20, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[freddyjj]

2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Ken Dorsey

 

Games as OC 2 

 

Just saying 

74 to 17

Technically Dorsey as OC responsible for 65 points.  Milano had a pick 6 by D.

 

Bills have scored 72 overall. 

[Clark Rotary]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

This is a real problem and I really do not understand what is behind it.  Physicality is one issue as the Bills just seem to be tentative in these short yardage situations.

I agree, it's a thing.  I feel like we need to develop that aggravatingly boring QB sneak that NE did for years with Brady - snap, dive 3.5 feet into a small gap and it's over before the defense can really react.  But that said I'm not filing a formal complaint - we've got only high class problems at the moment.  

[peterpan]

4 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

Put Jordan Philips in at guard and run a  sneak behind him. The Bills O line is terrible in short yardage situations. 

Put him at fullback!!!! No one would stop Phillips with how amped he gets 

[Ross Murdock]

Actually, I'm concerned about the running game in general. RB's have gotten off to another slow start, and could be an exploited Achilles heal as the season goes on. The Bills have been impressive obviously, but the running game has not. Singletary is average at best. Moss belongs on somebody's practice squad, or cooking Fries. No idea what Cook can do. Maybe this is why our 3rd and ones are horrid?  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, freddyjj said:

Technically Dorsey as OC responsible for 65 points.  Milano had a pick 6 by D.

 

Bills have scored 72 overall. 

killjoy 

😝 

[Mikie2times]

We almost give up on spreading teams out and throwing the ball or allowing Josh to be Josh. It's all predesigned to get one yard. Run your offense. History has shown the odds of us failing at trying to get one yard are probably higher than the odds of us failing trying to get 10+ yards. 

[gobills404]

Whether it’s short yardage or long, the ball needs to be in Allen’s hands on every 3rd/4th down either as a runner or a passer

[John from Riverside]

I am wondering why we’re running out of shotgun whenever we have to gain as a yard

[Old Coot]

5 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

It was evident yesterday they don't want Josh running the way he has in the past.  That's OK with me.

I agree heartily and applaud this decision.  The announcers said that Josh had taken 683 hits in his career.  Can that be correct?

 

In a 4 years career that's 171 hits per year or about 10 a game.

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, Old Coot said:

I agree heartily and applaud this decision.  The announcers said that Josh had taken 683 hits in his career.  Can that be correct?

 

In a 4 years career that's 171 hits per year or about 10 a game.

 

I'm not sure of those stats.  I can believe them.  It needs to go down IMO.  Every year he gets older.  He needs to save those rushes for playoffs.