The short yardage conundrum

[Einstein]

As great as this team is, the offense struggles in short yardage situations.

 

The Bills were dead-last in the NFL last season on 3rd and 1. And they were 0-4 on 3rd or 4th and 1 last night.

 

Question: Why do you think the Bills struggle in this area and what specifically do you feel that they can do to improve this facet of their offense?

 

Edit: A poster pointed out that we did actually convert one 4th and 1 last night. Sorry about the incorrectness above.

 

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Edited September 20, 2022 by Einstein

[Big Turk]

They try and get too cute at times instead of just running a play that will pick it up or sneaking Allen

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

As great as this team is, the offense struggles in short yardage situations.

 

The Bills were dead-last in the NFL last season on 3rd and 1. And they were 0-4 on 3rd or 4th and 1 last night.

 

Question: Why do you think the Bills struggle in this area and what specifically do you feel that they can do to improve this facet of their offense?

 

We scored a TD on 4th and 1 last night so... 🤷‍♂️

[WotAGuy]

Put Jordan Philips in at guard and run a  sneak behind him. The Bills O line is terrible in short yardage situations. 

[947]

Singletary should be the short yardage back. He finds a tiny crack & slices through it better than just about any RB in the league. Him over Moss in those situations should be a no-brainer. So what if he's small, he accelerates in an instant and gets positive yardage.

 

Moss runs hard & is a big body, but takes longer to get going & struggles to find a crease if a hole isn't initially there.

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Big Turk said:

They try and get too cute at times instead of just running a play that will pick it up or sneaking Allen

 

I dont think it's homerism, but it seems to me that Defenses play the sneak more against us than other teams. What I mean is, when I see other teams in short yardage, the DL lines up like they normally do. Against the Bills, they'll stack all 4 DL between our 2 Guards. Giving Allen no lane to sneak. Makes it tougher for us to get the sneak through. And given how soft our Interior OL is, it makes sense that we dont (cant) run up and sneak it.

 

I've always thought Any Down and 1 yard should be an automatic pick up for a team. Especially when your QB is Allen's size. Just fall forward and you get 2 yards automatically. But teams have been effective at stopping that.

 

I type all this to say, likely time to upgrade from Morse.

[Big Turk]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I dont think it's homerism, but it seems to me that Defenses play the sneak more against us than other teams. What I mean is, when I see other teams in short yardage, the DL lines up like they normally do. Against the Bills, they'll stack all 4 DL between our 2 Guards. Giving Allen no lane to sneak. Makes it tougher for us to get the sneak through. And given how soft our Interior OL is, it makes sense that we dont (cant) run up and sneak it.

 

I've always thought Any Down and 1 yard should be an automatic pick up for a team. Especially when your QB is Allen's size. Just fall forward and you get 2 yards automatically. But teams have been effective at stopping that.

 

I type all this to say, likely time to upgrade from Morse.

 

Yes, which is why I think an off-tackle sneak might work better for us than a guard/center sneak.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

72 to 17 

and you are worried??

 

 

😳 😬 

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Question: Why do you think the Bills struggle in this area and what specifically do you feel that they can do to improve this facet of their offense?

 

It was evident yesterday they don't want Josh running the way he has in the past.  That's OK with me.

Seems to me the team has put the emphasis on the pass pro for the OL which can be confirmed by the fact they can throw the ball anywhere

they want to.

 

The weather is fine and passing the ball all over the place seems to be the smart move.  They got plenty of time to bring around the

running game as time goes by.

[Warcodered]

It's always something.

[UConn James]

5 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Put Jordan Philips in at guard and run a  sneak behind him. The Bills O line is terrible in short yardage situations. 

How about giving

Jordan Philips the carry

ala Refrigerator Perry?

 

Sorry, that haiku thread is getting to me.

[davefan66]

They didn’t want Josh running last night.  Had I believe 3 fourth and 1’s?  Josh should have RPO’d or just swing left or right die then first.

 

Fet we don’t want him hurt, especially in a game we are winning.  If it’s a close game, run him.

 

Otherwise, on obvious short yardage runs, defense stacks the box and seems we don’t get a great push?

[Airseven]

OL is average. More specifically, OL is better pass blockers than run blockers. You can basically forget running on 3rd/4th and 1 because they get no push against a loaded up front. And in those situations, Allen ends up panicking and having to create. It's not sustainable.

Edited September 20, 2022 by Airseven

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

It's always something.

the grass is greener on the other side 

 

Until you step over

[Lost]

15 minutes ago, Einstein said:

As great as this team is, the offense struggles in short yardage situations.

 

The Bills were dead-last in the NFL last season on 3rd and 1. And they were 0-4 on 3rd or 4th and 1 last night.

 

Question: Why do you think the Bills struggle in this area and what specifically do you feel that they can do to improve this facet of their offense?

 

I honestly think its because they take it out of Josh's hands in too many of those situations.   Just let him run the RPO like it's 1st or 2nd down and all will be well.  I mean the fact that they're converting like 80% on 3rd and long says something..

Edited September 20, 2022 by Lost

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

the grass is greener

 

...over the septic tank.

[716er]

When it comes to short yardage...

 

They struggle when they hand it to Moss.

 

They don't struggle when they hand it to Singletary.

 

 

[jethro_tull]

No problem trying to address any chinks in the Bills armor.  

Seems like they need a beast running back for short yards.  

Singletary is 5-7, Moss is 5-9, both are 205 or so.  Cook is a 5-11 string bean.  

The FB Gilliam is 6 feet 244 but does he have it?  

Spend a high pick on a RB.  

[Einstein]

19 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

We scored a TD on 4th and 1 last night so... 🤷‍♂️

 

Forgot about that one. 

Apologies - 1 for 4 last night on 3rd/4th and 1.

 

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Edited September 20, 2022 by Einstein

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

They keep lining up in a shotgun formation on short yardage for some reason. Just line up in an I formation with Gilliam and Singletary and either give it to Devin or have Josh sneak. They're just overthinking it.