Brandon Beane Consults with Bill Parcells?

[Rampage]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Do you find it curious that in 2020 and 2021 our biggest need was pass rusher and we drafted 3 DE’s in the top 3 rounds?

 

Or that in 2022 our biggest need was CB and we got one in the first? 
 

Or that our weakest offensive skill position has been RB and we have drafted 3 of them in the top 3 rounds over the last 4 years?

Out of all those players, none of them were considered reaches by anyone so you can make the argument that they were all BPA.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Rampage said:

Out of all those players, none of them were considered reaches by anyone so you can make the argument that they were all BPA.

Are you making that argument that Rousseau, Boogie, AJE, Singletary, Moss, Cook, Elam were ALL BPA?  And they just perfectly and coincidentally fit our team needs?

[Joe Mama]

27 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Beane doesn't draft for need?

So QB wasn't a need when JA17 was drafted?

[The Jokeman]

11 hours ago, FireChans said:

"Glauber cites the Parcells influence by stating that the Bills were built in an ”80’s/90’s old school way”. meaning that they started with the QB, built the OL, don’t draft for need etc  and when they were close enough made the big move to trade for star a WR and sign a big time pass rusher.  "

 

What teams don't build this way?

You could debate that the Broncos got the QB last. 

[FireChans]

29 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

You could debate that the Broncos got the QB last. 

No that's true. But does the order really matter?  Would the Bills be worse today if they got Diggs the year before they got Josh? 

 

Probably not.

[Alphadawg7]

9 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

 

The bills didn't go qb first though, they traded Mahomes for White and then traded a bunch of players for assets, and used those to trade up for Allen the next year. 

 

I know Beane joined after the draft,  and you would have a point that the team didn't actually start rebuilding until Beane joined. 

 

To me there is a huge component in looking for and exploiting value.  Allen's lack of coaching, being incredibly smart, being off the charts dedicated and showing he could throw with touch in the Senior bowl after a week of nfl coaching... this really wasn't that difficult of a choice if you had the information and valued the right things.

 

I don't have a point I don't think, or maybe I do. I haven't slept more than three hours in a night since Friday night, I'm up again and I'm losing my mind a bit 🙃 

 

No, they did QB first.  Beane wasn't a member of the Bills when we drafted Tre White.  He was hired after the draft, came in right after the draft and immediately started clearing out cap space and players who don't fit the culture.  HIs first draft pick was Josh Allen. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

11 hours ago, JohnNord said:

Here’s an interesting tidbit that I’ve never heard before.  
 

Tim Graham recently interviewed former NYC writer Bob Glauber who was close with the old NYG Teams

 

I was a bit surprised to hear him say that Brandon Beane was a Bill Parcell guy.  Earlier in the interview Glauber spoke about how even into his 80’s Parcells informally consults (for free) with teams because he loves the game.  
 

He then says that Brandon Beane is one of those GM’s who use Bill Parcells as a sounding board.  

 

Glauber cites the Parcells influence by stating that the Bills were built in an ”80’s/90’s old school way”. meaning that they started with the QB, built the OL, don’t draft for need etc  and when they were close enough made the big move to trade for star a WR and sign a big time pass rusher.  
 

According to Glauber, Parcells was friends with Dan Henning in Carolina when Beane was a scout.  They two hit it off and have been in contact since.  
 

Kind of an interesting story because while we’ve heard the influence of GM’s like Dave Gettleman and Marty Hurney, I have yet to see anyone else connect Parcells to Beane.  Glauber claimed that Parcell’s imprint is on the way the Bills were built.  
 

Oddly enough Parcells is very close with the Elam family and to no surprise look who Beane’s pick this season was…
 

you can hear this at 51:00.

 

Ha ha. 

This is laughable. None of it is accurate except the QB.

Beane took a long time to get a capable OL of course missing on Teller and taking forever to get Bates in the starting lineup.  He drafts for need all the time. Allen, Edmunds, Oliver, Knox, Ford, Rousseau, and Elam were all need picks.  Sure he drafts for depth after that.

Everyone knew they were drafting one of the QB in 2018.

And when did Parcells trade for a big time pass rusher??? Giants drafted LT. I dont even remember anything notable about his Jets or Cowboys teams - certainly not a big time pass rusher trade. Im too busy to look it up but this article is nonsense.

[MJS]

22 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Ha ha. 

This is laughable. None of it is accurate except the QB.

Beane took a long time to get a capable OL of course missing on Teller and taking forever to get Bates in the starting lineup.  He drafts for need all the time. Allen, Edmunds, Oliver, Knox, Ford, Rousseau, and Elam were all need picks.  Sure he drafts for depth after that.

Everyone knew they were drafting one of the QB in 2018.

And when did Parcells trade for a big time pass rusher??? Giants drafted LT. I dont even remember anything notable about his Jets or Cowboys teams - certainly not a big time pass rusher trade. Im too busy to look it up but this article is nonsense.

I agree. Seems like a big stretch to me. There's no evidence at all that Parcells has anything to do with Beane or the Bills. Just because Beane may have met him once and got his number doesn't mean he is consulting with him regularly about how to build the team, which players to take, etc.

 

I'm sure Parcells isn't out there watching endless film on prospects, so what value outside of general, high level strategy could he provide? Stuff that Beane already knows anyway.

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

No that's true. But does the order really matter?  Would the Bills be worse today if they got Diggs the year before they got Josh? 

 

Probably not.

It's debatable as if we had Diggs before we may have finished with a better record and it would have been tougher to get Allen due to draft positioning etc. 

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

It's debatable as if we had Diggs before we may have finished with a better record and it would have been tougher to get Allen due to draft positioning etc. 

Sure, that's a fair point.

 

I guess the bottom line is getting the QB is what matters. It doesn't matter if you get him on your team before or after you acquire a Diggs or a star pas rusher. What matters for contention is they are all on the team at the same time.

 

If EJ turned out to be a star, we would've been in the AFCCG in 2014 because that team was supremely talented at blue chip positions.

Edited September 14, 2022 by FireChans

[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, Rampage said:

Out of all those players, none of them were considered reaches by anyone so you can make the argument that they were all BPA.

Yup, “BPA at a position of need” , it is the methodology that all teams use.  It is a rare occasion when a team makes a strict BPA selection in a draft that is not based on a position of need. 

[K-9]

Is anyone here seriously under the delusion that building teams is a linear process? Never has been, never will be.

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Sure, that's a fair point.

 

I guess the bottom line is getting the QB is what matters. It doesn't matter if you get him on your team before or after you acquire a Diggs or a star pas rusher. What matters for contention is they are all on the team at the same time.

 

If EJ turned out to be a star, we would've been in the AFCCG in 2014 because that team was supremely talented at blue chip positions.

I agree and tend to think the QB should be the last piece only because if under a rookie contract you can sustain more with less money going to the QB position. As to me a QB most a result of the talent/coaching around him than just himself. 

[Tanoros]

4 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Yeah no.  Certainly in the second round he drafts for need.  Arguably in other rounds as well, but he's willing to move around the board if he can so that his perceived need more closely aligns with value.

Drafting for, “need” can be hard to understand, because all teams do NEED to fill specific roles each season. I think the Raiders are a great example of drafting for need rather than BPA. Think of last years o-line pick in the first. They needed o-line help, but the value wasn’t there in the first, yet the Raiders still took a guy, rather than trading down or taking a better player at a different position. 
 

Beane will move up or down, to better align the value with the pick. He generally goes up and gets the guys he wants, or trades down when there isn’t a specific person he wants, but there is a strong possibility of a guy he likes drilling to him (example, he has 6 guys draftable, but doesn’t need any of them, he moves down 4 spots and atleast 2 should be available). 
 

I really enjoy Beane as GM. Between his in season trades, contract extensions, drafting, and the wizardry! 

 

 

 

[Buffalo03]

4 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Yeah no.  Certainly in the second round he drafts for need.  Arguably in other rounds as well, but he's willing to move around the board if he can so that his perceived need more closely aligns with value.

Yes, you can do that in mid to later rounds but I do believe even then, it's still more of a best player on their board thing. You don't get as good as we have gotten always just drafting for need. Was James Cook a need? I don't think so, but I do believe he was the highest player on their board

Edited September 14, 2022 by Buffalo03

[Buffalo03]

4 hours ago, FireChans said:

Do you find it curious that in 2020 and 2021 our biggest need was pass rusher and we drafted 3 DE’s in the top 3 rounds?

 

Or that in 2022 our biggest need was CB and we got one in the first? 
 

I'm fully aware of this but look at all of his drafts combined. There are a lot of positions we didn't need that we drafted. Beane even said Kaiir was the last player on their board with a first round grade when they took him which just happened to be a need. 2021 was probably the draft he went after need the most. But we didn't need James Cook when we took him, we didn't need Terrell Bernard, we didn't need Shakir. We didn't need Singletary, or Knox or most of the other players that he has taken. 

[FireChans]

4 hours ago, K-9 said:

Is anyone here seriously under the delusion that building teams is a linear process? Never has been, never will be.

Thank you.

 

2 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

I'm fully aware of this but look at all of his drafts combined. There are a lot of positions we didn't need that we drafted. Beane even said Kaiir was the last player on their board with a first round grade when they took him which just happened to be a need. 2021 was probably the draft he went after need the most. But we didn't need James Cook when we took him, we didn't need Terrell Bernard, we didn't need Shakir. We didn't need Singletary, or Knox or most of the other players that he has taken. 

Everyone can say this.

[Buffalo03]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

Thank you.

 

Everyone can say this.

Yes, and? the argument was, that he doesn't draft for need. 

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

Yes, and? the argument was, that he doesn't draft for need. 

And that argument is wrong.  There are 7 rounds of the draft.

 

If he drafts for need in 2/7 rounds, is that "not drafting for need?"

 

No.

[Buffalo03]

10 hours ago, FireChans said:

And that argument is wrong.  There are 7 rounds of the draft.

 

If he drafts for need in 2/7 rounds, is that "not drafting for need?"

 

No.

I refer drafting for need as doing it in every round, not one or 2 rounds especially later in drafts. I'm sure every gm as the draft goes on will take at least one guy they need. But you can't say he drafts for need if it's 1 or 2 rounds because drafting for need would imply he does it all rounds, especially if those needs are 6th and 7th round draft picks. Those picks are crap shoots anyway. That's a time of the draft where best player available won't matter as much

Edited September 15, 2022 by Buffalo03