Seattle tried to trade Russ for 1st pick in 2018 draft

[msw2112]

53 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Brad Johnson says hi.

 

Seattles defense in 2014 was the reason Russ won a super bowl.

 

Seattle's defense was awesome that year, but Wilson was also an excellent QB and played a big role in the success of the team.  And Trent Dilfer also says hi.

[LittleSammy]

If true, we owe big thanks to the Browns for saying no and for being dumb enough to select Mayfield. Can you imagine being a Browns fan in a sports bar in Cleveland last night watching the game and knowing they could have had Josh Allen!

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, Bills92 said:

Long time listener, first time caller here...  and I think this may have been discussed before.. but a recent ESPN article on Russ Wilson, he reminded everybody that Seattle tried to trade him for the first overall pick in the 2018 draft (owned by the Browns at the time) and  with that pick, Seattle would would have (supposedly) selected JA17.

Thankfully Cleveland declined and chose Baker Mayfield...  

 

https://dailysnark.com/2022/09/07/report-seahawks-offered-russell-wilson-in-trade-with-browns-for-no-1-pick-in-2018-nfl-draft/

 

Just another reminder as to how lucky we are (on a 1st week Victory Friday)  to have JA17 as QB1

Go Bills!

I can't imagine game planning against Allen. If we get a solid run game with Motor going, this O will be unstoppable  

 

I always thank Cleveland and the Jests for passing on him

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, ALLEN1QB said:

Wow I came that close to being a Seattle fan. Not sure I believe that we took him @ 7 so they had 6 chances to jump ahead.

 

Not really.  Cleveland had two picks in the top 5.  Denver wasnt moving and neither were the Giants.  Jets had already moved up way ahead of the draft.  That leaves just the Colts.  Dunno if they would have moved or not.

[The Wiz]

38 minutes ago, msw2112 said:

 

Seattle's defense was awesome that year, but Wilson was also an excellent QB and played a big role in the success of the team.  And Trent Dilfer also says hi.

Like I said in my follow up post.   I know he's a good player but he really didn't have that crazy of a season when you look at the numbers. 

 

He managed the offense and the defense was lights out all the way. 

 

And even had the lights turn out in the Super Bowl. 

[Rochesterfan]

6 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Not really.  Cleveland had two picks in the top 5.  Denver wasnt moving and neither were the Giants.  Jets had already moved up way ahead of the draft.  That leaves just the Colts.  Dunno if they would have moved or not.

 

They wouldn’t move - because they were not interested in extra draft picks from the Bills to move and they had no use for Wilson at that time with Luck still being healthy.

 

The only real move was to #1 or #4 with Cleveland and that only happens if the Browns wanted Russ more than a cost controlled pick and they didn’t.

 

 

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

They wouldn’t move - because they were not interested in extra draft picks from the Bills to move and they had no use for Wilson at that time with Luck still being healthy.

 

The only real move was to #1 or #4 with Cleveland and that only happens if the Browns wanted Russ more than a cost controlled pick and they didn’t.

 

 

 

Right

[2003Contenders]

15 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Not really.  Cleveland had two picks in the top 5.  Denver wasnt moving and neither were the Giants.  Jets had already moved up way ahead of the draft.  That leaves just the Colts.  Dunno if they would have moved or not.

 

The Colts were locked in on Nelson. Beane had a deal in the works with both the Browns (at #4) and the Broncos -- both agreeing on the compensation (including multiple first round picks). Elway was at least up-front that he would ONLY make the deal on draft day if the player he coveted at #5 was not there. The Browns reneged on the deal (which infuriated Beane) and took the CB Denzel Ward at #4, leaving the DE (Bradley Chubb) that Elway wanted at #5. Both of those deals would have included MUCH more compensation than the two 2nd rounders that Beane gave to Tampa Bay to move up to 7. So everything really did work out for the best for the Bills.

[Nuncha]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Speaking of the 2018 NFL draft...

 

It has now emerged that Josh Allen was the shining gem to be had in the top of the draft class...

 

Cleveland gets picks 1 AND 4, remember, and they take Mayfield and Denzel Ward.

 

Giants pick 2 and take a freaking RB (LOL) in Barkley.

 

Jets pick 3rd and take Darnold.

 

Denver picks 5th and takes a DE in Bradley Chubb.

 

Colts pick 6th and take G Quenton Nelson.

 

And then we take Josh with the next pick.

 

If you are ANY of those teams wouldn't you have rather taken Josh?

 

Five organizations get six cracks at grabbing the gem of the draft and total franchise savior, and they all pass.

 

That's NFL scouting/drafting for you.

 

 

If only they knew then what we already did.

[Awwufelloff]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Speaking of the 2018 NFL draft...

 

It has now emerged that Josh Allen was the shining gem to be had in the top of the draft class...

 

Cleveland gets picks 1 AND 4, remember, and they take Mayfield and Denzel Ward.

 

Giants pick 2 and take a freaking RB (LOL) in Barkley.

 

Jets pick 3rd and take Darnold.

 

Denver picks 5th and takes a DE in Bradley Chubb.

 

Colts pick 6th and take G Quenton Nelson.

 

And then we take Josh with the next pick.

 

If you are ANY of those teams wouldn't you have rather taken Josh?

 

Five organizations get six cracks at grabbing the gem of the draft and total franchise savior, and they all pass.

 

That's NFL scouting/drafting for you.

 

 

 Brady was a 6th round pick. 

[Utah John]

1 hour ago, LittleSammy said:

If true, we owe big thanks to the Browns for saying no and for being dumb enough to select Mayfield. Can you imagine being a Browns fan in a sports bar in Cleveland last night watching the game and knowing they could have had Josh Allen!

Having raw Josh turn into this Josh was a combination of terrific luck, hard work, terrific luck, great coaching, and terrific luck.  Half the fans in Buffalo thought we'd drafted the wrong Josh.  I don't blame any other team for not grabbing him.

 

I never thought Mayfield was the best player, let alone the best QB, in that draft.  The Browns took a gamble, and it didn't come up terribly but it didn't win either.  That's a B- grade draft pick, not an F.

 

Here's the thing about Seattle trading Russ Wilson in 2018.  What's killed the Seahawks over the past few years was needing to pay Russ, so Pete Carroll traded away or let FAs walk, almost all his star defenders.  If Seattle had a solid rookie QB on a rookie contract starting in 2018, they would have kept three or four of their defensive players, and still been an excellent team while that QB got his feet under him and was ready to lead.  Seattle would still be a force and not the shell they are now, with all the good defensive players AND Russ gone.  

[The Wiz]

27 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

 Brady was a 6th round pick. 

He also got caught cheating a lot.

[The Jokeman]

5 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Well if true, we are blessed the Browns are stupid. 

Well they did pass on Allen two times in the draft.

[Playoffs?]

5 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Speaking of the 2018 NFL draft...

 

It has now emerged that Josh Allen was the shining gem to be had in the top of the draft class...

 

Cleveland gets picks 1 AND 4, remember, and they take Mayfield and Denzel Ward.

 

Giants pick 2 and take a freaking RB (LOL) in Barkley.

 

Jets pick 3rd and take Darnold.

 

Denver picks 5th and takes a DE in Bradley Chubb.

 

Colts pick 6th and take G Quenton Nelson.

 

And then we take Josh with the next pick.

 

If you are ANY of those teams wouldn't you have rather taken Josh?

 

Five organizations get six cracks at grabbing the gem of the draft and total franchise savior, and they all pass.

 

That's NFL scouting/drafting for you.

 

 

Tom Brady is exhibit A here.  The best player ever…. And was passed over almost 200 times?!

[UKBillFan]

31 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

Tom Brady is exhibit A here.  The best player ever…. And was passed over almost 200 times?!

It’s something of a sliding doors moment. Would Brady have grown so quickly as a QB anywhere but the Pats? Would Josh have developed the way he has away from the Bills? Would Mayfield had taken greater strides at another franchise? Same with all players, I guess.

[Albany,n.y.]

6 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Speaking of the 2018 NFL draft...

 

It has now emerged that Josh Allen was the shining gem to be had in the top of the draft class...

 

Cleveland gets picks 1 AND 4, remember, and they take Mayfield and Denzel Ward.

 

Giants pick 2 and take a freaking RB (LOL) in Barkley.

 

Jets pick 3rd and take Darnold.

 

Denver picks 5th and takes a DE in Bradley Chubb.

 

Colts pick 6th and take G Quenton Nelson.

 

And then we take Josh with the next pick.

 

If you are ANY of those teams wouldn't you have rather taken Josh?

 

Five organizations get six cracks at grabbing the gem of the draft and total franchise savior, and they all pass.

 

That's NFL scouting/drafting for you.

 

 

2 of the 5 teams can be excused:  Colts had Luck & had no idea 2018 would be his last season, so they went O-line to protect him & Cleveland at 4 wasn't going to take another QB, so the teams that messed up were

1) Cleveland-There were rumors that the team management was split between Josh & Mayfield, but because of analytics & statistics, Mayfield was the choice

2) NY Giants-Gettleman made the choice that basically ended his career.  Instead of doing the smart thing & preparing for the future, he felt he could still win with a fading Eli Manning.  Even though he made a big mistake picking Barkley, he could have chosen Rosen or Darnold and he'd still be sitting at home like he currently is.

3) NY Jets-Since the Colts had no reason to think they'd need a QB, they got a nice ransom from the Jets to move down 3 spots & get the player they wanted-Nelson.   Then when the Jets were on the clock, with Mayfield gone they went to their other top choice Darnold.  Most pundits agreed that Darnold was a safe pick compared to Allen.  Their GM, Maccagnan was gone within a year.  At the time, the jury was out on Darnold.

4) Cleveland-they weren't taking another QB, although if they had thought about it, they could have taken Josh & had the Bills & Cardinals get into a bidding war.  But when they couldn't trade the pick they went for Ward instead of Chubb because they had drafted D-Line #1 the year before.

5) Denver-They loved Chubb and had no desire to draft a QB, in spite of the fact they needed one & instead put all their chips on current Bills backup Case Keenum.  The fact they had no interest in a QB became obvious when it was later revealed by Beane that he had a deal worked with Denver to draft Josh at 5 but Denver backed out because they wanted Chubb & were all in on Chubb when Cleveland let him slide to #5.

6) Indianapolis-They had Luck and wanted Nelson

7)Tampa Bay-A great trade for both teams as Tampa used the picks from the Bills to help build a Super bowl winner & the Bills got Josh.

 

It's interesting to note that the only GM who still is the GM of the teams that passed on Josh is Indianapolis' Chris Ballard.  All of the others quit, got fired or were pushed upstairs.  The same is true of the head coaches, all of whom were fired except Indy's brand new coach in 2018 Frank Reich.   

[Albany,n.y.]

48 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

It’s something of a sliding doors moment. Would Brady have grown so quickly as a QB anywhere but the Pats? Would Josh have developed the way he has away from the Bills? Would Mayfield had taken greater strides at another franchise? Same with all players, I guess.

I've never bought into the claim that player A wouldn't have thrived or player B would have thrived in a different environment.  The only way i can buy that is if obscure players like Tom Brady or Kurt Warner ended up never getting a chance to play and became an afterthought around the league.  The great ones will always go above & beyond to work on their game & if the team isn't developing them properly, or even if they are, they'll go outside the organization & work with someone not affiliated with the team. Many NFL QBs work with other QB coaches in the offseason.  Eventually, bad coaching or not, great coaching or not, the cream rises to the top & the sludge to the bottom.  

[boyst]

4 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

 Brady was a 6th round pick. 

Brady should have never happened. I can't believe the revisionist history on that dude. Belichick didn't know ***** about him.  The team, including Belichick had just put a contract in Bledsoes hand making him the richest player EVER. and it was only like a 3 yr contract. 

 

Their defense was top 3, super efficient with a really good OL. Bledsoe had declined and Belichick was a poor coach / coordinator for him 

 

Belichick brought in a half dozen QB's that Monday after Bledsoe got hurt and the team wasn't playing that well. He was quoted as telling colleagues and confidants that he did not thing he would be kept the next season because he wasn't getting anywhere.

 

Belichick decided to switch to a super conservative offense and some say that the FO was unwilling to invest in a QB for Belichick because a new coach was going to get Bledsoe back the next year.

 

So Belichick did what he could to coach defense well, keep mistakes low with a conservative game plan.

 

Brady played very easy ball and was actually not super that first year and for several years.

 

Edit. And for those who want to say the scouts saw something amazing in him... Sure they did. The same scouts who have sucked for almost 20 years in that organization knew HE would be the one an drafted ***** piles the rest of their drafts. 

Edited September 10, 2022 by Boyst62

[JohnNord]

7 hours ago, SoMAn said:

It was indeed was fortunate and serendipitous that the Bills:

A. Picked the right guy

B. Denver didn’t trade with Seattle AND didn’t take a QB

C. Browns and Jets made very Brownsy and Jetsy choices with Mayfield and Darnold. 

D. Tampa Bay was a willing trade partner allowing Bills to get to # 7 and ahead of Arizona. 
It could have gone so differently. Maybe after years of the dark cloud that’s cursed Bills fans, the sun is finally shining on us. 

B. was huge.  John Elway wasted a 1st round pick on Paxton Lynch in 2016.  Despite having 2 years of evidence that Lynch probably would never make it, he was too proud to cut bait and draft another QB.
 

The other thing that worked in their favor was the board shaped up.  Not only did Cleveland pass on Allen they also took Denzel Ward over Bradley Chubb.  Denver loved Chubb and refused to trade the pick with the  Bills or anyone else.  Same thing with Indy and Quentin Nelson at #6.  

[SoMAn]

5 hours ago, JohnNord said:

B. was huge.  John Elway wasted a 1st round pick on Paxton Lynch in 2016.  Despite having 2 years of evidence that Lynch probably would never make it, he was too proud to cut bait and draft another QB.
 

The other thing that worked in their favor was the board shaped up.  Not only did Cleveland pass on Allen they also took Denzel Ward over Bradley Chubb.  Denver loved Chubb and refused to trade the pick with the  Bills or anyone else.  Same thing with Indy and Quentin Nelson at #6.  

There was a lot of buzz that the Browns would take Allen with the 2018 first pick. Supposedly their personnel people were unanimous with that choice but were overruled by owner Jimmy Haslam who wanted Mayfield. 
The stars really did align for the Buffalo Bills that day.

Has Beane or anyone with the organization ever publicly stated whether Allen was at the top of their board over Darnold and Mayfield?
Truly amazing maneuvering to move into position to draft Allen.