Ravens and Lamar do not reach contract agreement

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

42 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

he's made the playoffs 3 times (1 win).  And no extension

While true - it doesn’t alter my opinion that he is a mediocre passer. 

He often finds open guys because the spy frees them up.  
 

 

How many playoff games did Tyrod get to with Roman. Oops Rex changed that quickly 

Never mind 😆 

[benderbender]

Calling it now. The Ravens will double down on their position and trade him before the deadline this year. That way not only do they not risk any money paying him, they also get picks in return. 

 

There will be a team that will gamble on him for a one year rental. 

[Gugny]

21 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

They can tag him if need be - I think they can tag him 2 years in a row?

 

Opinion here but unless he's appreciably leveled-up his passing game, Lamar is going to have some hard learnings if he moves away from Roman.  I think he's a system QB right now and Roman's system is proven ideal for a running QB who can throw deep well enough to keep teams from stacking the box.

Cousins got tagged by the Redskins in 2016 and 2017. 

[Doc]

IMHO he's Michael Vick 2.0.  He'll be effective for only as long as he has amazing wheels.  I'm sure that's how the Ravens view it and why they don't want to commit huge money, much less fully-guaranteed.  And the injury that knocked him out of the last quarter of the season, and likely beyond if they'd made the playoffs, likely didn't help any.

Edited September 10, 2022 by Doc

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

Lamar is definitely a leader and he wins.  That's all that matters.

In the regular season. It really boils down to what the Ravens’ goal is: do they want to get to the playoffs every year?  Or do they want to go deep in the playoffs every year. 
 

Jackson helps them do only one of those things and he hasn’t been getting better with age. 

[TheBrownBear]

Going against the grain here, but I think he's going to be proven smart for playing this out and hitting FA (or franchise).  He's coming off the worst statistical season of his career, but the Ravens are much healthier now and he is primed for a much bigger year.  

[RunTheBall]

The Ravens are one of the best run organizations in sports. They know exactly what they are doing. They don’t believe in Lamar’s long term potential or they would have already locked him up.

 

The worst case scenario for the Ravens (Franchise tag, or tag and trade) is a LOT better than the worst case scenario for Lamar (serious injury).

 

Lamar is going to get paid millions no matter what. He’s not getting a fully guaranteed contract and he will not be getting as many millions as he wants.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

While true - it doesn’t alter my opinion that he is a mediocre passer. 

He often finds open guys because the spy frees them up.  
 

 

How many playoff games did Tyrod get to with Roman. Oops Rex changed that quickly 

Never mind 😆 

 

My point was that playoff appearances haven't gotten him an extension.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Pittsburgh...but then he'd be a wanted man in Baltimore. 

 

Lamar is definitely a leader and he wins.  That's all that matters.

 

His passing stats (starts, wins, rating, yards, etc) aren't significantly better than Jimmy G's (a guy "who wins"--including leading 49ers to 2 NFCC and a SB)---yet the 9ers were desperately shopping him this off season. 

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

His passing stats (starts, wins, rating, yards, etc) aren't significantly better than Jimmy G's (a guy "who wins"--including leading 49ers to 2 NFCC and a SB)---yet the 9ers were desperately shopping him this off season. 

 

 

 

While true, Lamar adds the extra element with his ability to run.  Jimmy ain't winning nor will he be in the running for MVP ever.

 

On a side note, Lamar would actually be a great fit in SF.  The perfect coach and supporting cast for his talents.  

Edited September 10, 2022 by Chicken Boo

[Mr. WEO]

16 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

While true, Lamar adds the extra element with his ability to run.  Jimmy ain't winning nor will he be in the running for MVP ever.

 

On a side note, Lamar would actually be a great fit in SF.  The perfect coach and supporting cast for his talents.  

 

 

They have been saying this about the Ravens for 4 years. 

 

No one cares about MVP--it's a personal achievement that means nothing to the team as far as ultimate success (see:  Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers).

 

Jackson has been running for 4 years.  Now what?

[wppete]

3 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

Can’t fix stupid!

Yea very true. Stupid and arrogant a dangerous combination. 

[Chicken Boo]

52 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

They have been saying this about the Ravens for 4 years. 

 

No one cares about MVP--it's a personal achievement that means nothing to the team as far as ultimate success (see:  Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers).

 

Jackson has been running for 4 years.  Now what?

 

You compared him to Garopollo.  I drew the distinction. 

 

Lamar is in the same boat as every QB playing the game including Josh.  What's the alternative for Baltimore?  Pick up Jimmy G and see if he can take you as far as Lamar can with Baltimore's roster.  

Edited September 10, 2022 by Chicken Boo

[Freddie's Dead]

For everyone saying that the Ravens don't believe in LJ's long-term potential, then why haven't they traded him?  Why would you leave your QB hanging?  it just doesn't make sense.  I don't get why the Ravens want to go WTF and burn their bridge with their QB for the forseeable future.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

You compared him to Garopollo.  I drew the distinction. 

 

Lamar is in the same boat as every QB playing the game including Josh.  What's the alternative for Baltimore?  Pick up Jimmy G and see if he can take you as far as Lamar can with Baltimore's roster.  

 

It's a distinction without a difference.  Ravens fans don't care how many MVPs Jackson may have.  Like every fan base, they want to see their team playing until at least late January, preferably  February.  They've seen all Jackson has to show at this point.  Recall Cam Newton, one time MVP.  Carolina kept him around for years after that...and fizzled out. After 2015, he was there 4 more years and they appeared in one playoff game--a loss.   

 

If Baltimore's goal is to just sell tickets and collect shared revenue, then sure--keep chugging along with Jackson and hope for a different outcome. If you want to at least take a chance to see a better outcome, you move on.   If they get to the AFCC game this year, then sure--they will likely pay him.  If they miss the playoffs or go one sand done--why should they?

 

Josh Allen is is a much different boat than Jackson.  It's not comparable.  He's a far better QB on a much better team. 

[Perry Turtle]

5 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

The Ravens are one of the best run organizations in sports. They know exactly what they are doing. They don’t believe in Lamar’s long term potential or they would have already locked him up.

 

The worst case scenario for the Ravens (Franchise tag, or tag and trade) is a LOT better than the worst case scenario for Lamar (serious injury).

 

Lamar is going to get paid millions no matter what. He’s not getting a fully guaranteed contract and he will not be getting as many millions as he wants.

 

 

If they are one of the best run organizations, why are they sitting around waiting for the league to drive up the price of their supposedly mediocre QB?  They could have saved literally millions if they extended Jackson last season, like Beane did with Allen, before the idiot Browns introduced the league to fully guaranteed contracts.

 

Meanwhile, as the price inflates for Jackson's extension, they're building an offense that only really works for his skillset.  So if they cut bait on Jackson, it's not like they could bring in another QB and be successful.

 

They could save money with Huntley, but where would they spend those savings?  Guys like OBJ aren't going to play in that offense with Huntley. Huntley isn't leading that team to the playoffs.

 

So it's down to sign Jackson or gamble on an total rebuild of the offense.  Longer it takes them to make the decision is going to cost them in dollars or wins.  

 

 

 

[RunTheBall]

5 hours ago, Perry Turtle said:

If they are one of the best run organizations, why are they sitting around waiting for the league to drive up the price of their supposedly mediocre QB?  They could have saved literally millions if they extended Jackson last season, like Beane did with Allen, before the idiot Browns introduced the league to fully guaranteed contracts.

 

Meanwhile, as the price inflates for Jackson's extension, they're building an offense that only really works for his skillset.  So if they cut bait on Jackson, it's not like they could bring in another QB and be successful.

 

They could save money with Huntley, but where would they spend those savings?  Guys like OBJ aren't going to play in that offense with Huntley. Huntley isn't leading that team to the playoffs.

 

So it's down to sign Jackson or gamble on an total rebuild of the offense.  Longer it takes them to make the decision is going to cost them in dollars or wins.  

 

 

 

I think it’s pretty well accepted that the Ravens are a very well run franchise. I like Lamar, I enjoy what he brings to the game and I know he’s going to get paid but he’s not getting a fully guaranteed contract.

 

They are “sitting around” because they don’t believe Lamar has what it takes to get them to the SB and they aren’t going to lock themselves into a QB who they aren’t all in on for the next 5-7 years. Instead, they have 3 more years of Lamar if they want it using the franchise tag after this season.

 

If they believed in Lamar, they would have locked him up at the same time we did Josh. But they didn’t, so they waited to see how Lamar did and he regressed. You can blame the injuries last year, but as good as Lamar is he has hit his ceiling and has not shown significant improvement from year to year. He’s limited as a passer and the Ravens know as soon as he slows down the rushing, he’s an above average QB at best.

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It's a distinction without a difference.  Ravens fans don't care how many MVPs Jackson may have.  Like every fan base, they want to see their team playing until at least late January, preferably  February.  They've seen all Jackson has to show at this point.  Recall Cam Newton, one time MVP.  Carolina kept him around for years after that...and fizzled out. After 2015, he was there 4 more years and they appeared in one playoff game--a loss.   

 

If Baltimore's goal is to just sell tickets and collect shared revenue, then sure--keep chugging along with Jackson and hope for a different outcome. If you want to at least take a chance to see a better outcome, you move on.   If they get to the AFCC game this year, then sure--they will likely pay him.  If they miss the playoffs or go one sand done--why should they?

 

Josh Allen is is a much different boat than Jackson.  It's not comparable.  He's a far better QB on a much better team. 

 

Ohhh.   You're of the thought that Baltimore should move on.  Now it makes sense.

 

By "same boat" I just mean that neither guy has won a Super Bowl.  Buffalo has done a terrific job building this team.  Baltimore, not so much.

 

What's Lamar working with?  His WR corps consist of Reshod Bateman, Devin Duevernay and James Proche II.  

 

A change of scenery might be best for both parties.

[NewEra]

12 hours ago, davefan66 said:

He may be a leader, he may win.  He is nowhere near as good as the top QB’s in the league.  When a game is on the line, who would you want? Josh? Rodgers?  Mahomes? or Lamar?  Me?  I’ll take Josh of course.

 

 

But that doesn’t mean he can’t win.  Who’d you rather have, burrow or Allen mahomes, Rodgers?  Stafford or allen, mahomes or Rodgers? 

 

I wouldn’t take burrow of stafford over allen, burrow, or Rodgers…. But they were the guys playing for the SB.  They won games with the season on the line.  Did you see mahomes and Rodgers play in the 2nd half of their season ending games?  Season on the line….not just game on the line.  Many QBs are capable of winning the SB without being considered elite. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 9/9/2022 at 11:19 AM, The Wiz said:

Which is why the ravens traded their best receiver. 

 

LJ is either running it or dumping it to Andrews. 

Good trade. HW Brown didn’t fit that O.